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[RDreamer]

Well, if this continues to be the reaction, then guess what? Trump will win again in 2020. Not everyone who voted for him is a racist or stupid. Just like not everyone who voted for Hillary fucked up their emails.

Nah, they're either racist or stupid. Now I don't think we should look down on all stupid people. It's not their fault, but let's not mince words here: they're stupid.

I guess I'll accept brainwashed instead of stupid. That probably fits more.

A lot (a fucking lot) of people voted for him because he's not Hillary

Then they're stupid or brainwashed.

a shitload more voted for him because the Dems haven't done dick for them in the past 8 years

Then they're REALLY stupid or REALLY brainwashed. The dems were blocked every fucking step of the way by republican obstructionism.

 

[Mighty Chin]

Nah, they're either racist or stupid. Now I don't think we should look down on all stupid people. It's not their fault, but let's not mince words here: they're stupid.

I guess I'll accept brainwashed instead of stupid. That probably fits more.

Then they're stupid or brainwashed.

Then they're REALLY stupid or REALLY brainwashed. The dems were blocked every fucking step of the way by republican obstructionism.

Shhhhhhh

 

[Mighty Chin]

Come on, now. You're assuming a lot of things. Being comfortable in the company of KKK/Stormfront/neonazis/Breibart doesn't necessarily mean that you too are personally a Racist.

You stand on the side of Racists then do not be surprised you get lumped with them. That's just one of the groups he's ok with. There are others.

He's ok with those too.

 

[GARlockSpiral]

Nah, they're either racist or stupid. Now I don't think we should look down on all stupid people. It's not their fault, but let's not mince words here: they're stupid.

I guess I'll accept brainwashed instead of stupid. That probably fits more.

Then they're stupid or brainwashed.

Then they're REALLY stupid or REALLY brainwashed. The dems were blocked every fucking step of the way by republican obstructionism.

It's almost as if identity politics really helped us win in 2016.

Wait, they didn't.

I have a friend who voted for Trump based off a single issue - War. Between two candidates - one of which who would create a no fly zone over Syria and likely lead to international conflict, and the other who has an interventionist policy, she was worried that they'd be sending her daughter to war if we voted for Clinton.

By your logic, she is either racist or stupid. Granted, Trump does love the poorly educated and the KKK has made him their candidate of choice. I'm not going to deny his rhetoric either, but there were a lot of reasons that people had for voting Trump. Reasons that will very likely to pan out to be nothing more than Trump's word salad, sure, but tell me - what's the alternative?

 

[Damerman]

Knock it off with this nonsense. I know several Trump voters who are neither stupid nor racist. Spend some time outside the echo chamber. The more you call people racist who aren't, the less impact you'll have when trying to stand against actual racists.

The racist part is questionable, but the stupid part is almost doubtless.

My parents didnt vote for trump... and they are hardcore republicans.

 

[stilgar]

I don't cut off my family because they're not on the same political side as me, what the hell.

Should I have Trump for president though, I would be fucking angry.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

The racist part is questionable, but the stupid part is almost doubtless.

My parents didnt vote for trump... and they are hardcore republicans.

Tell your parents some guy on the internet said they are awesome. ❤

 

[Damerman]

It's almost as if identity politics really helped us win in 2016.

Wait, they didn't.

I have a friend who voted for Trump based off a single issue - War. Between two candidates - one of which who would create a no fly zone over Syria and likely lead to international conflict, and the other who has an interventionist policy, she was worried that they'd be sending her daughter to war if we voted for Clinton.

By your logic, she is either racist or stupid. Granted, Trump does love the poorly educated and the KKK has made him their candidate of choice. I'm not going to deny his rhetoric either, but there were a lot of reasons that people had for voting Trump. Reasons that will very likely to pan out to be nothing more than Trump's word salad, sure, but tell me - what's the alternative?

Conflict with russia is inevitable. If your friend thinks mccain and other congressmen are going to get chummy with putin, your friend is very ill informed.

 

[VendettaRed07]

My entire family, including my wife, voted for Trump. I am the only one who voted Hillary. I plan on having a wonderful thanksgiving and Christmas with them. B..b.b.but how could you have fun with racists?!?!! Because, I am an adult and I realize it was just a fucking election (oh and a vote for a supreme court justice doesn't make you racist). In four years there will be another one, and another four years after that.

This hyperbolic bullshit happens on both sides when they lose. Lots of tantrums and cries of Nazism and Fascism. Then life goes back to normal and the president does absolutely nothing for 4-8 years. Happens every time, yet people seem to act like its always a new concept.

This year is particularly bad because, for a certain subset of Millennials, this is their first loss, and they didn't even get a participation trophy.

It was only hyperbolic when ascribed to some of the things Mitt Romney and John McCain said/did. Like people freaking out about the Binders fulla women comment.

Trump is completely and totally different. Legit appointed a white supremacist to his staff.

 

[Damerman]

Tell your parents some guy on the internet said they are awesome. ❤

Would you still say that if i told you they believe hillary took part in spirit cookings?

 

[super-heated plasma]

As I said in another thread:

Trump is Americas Red Kryptonite.

 

[FinalStageBoss]

Good thing I don't have any Trump supporters in my life, but if I did they'd be out of it asap tbh.

 

[GARlockSpiral]

Conflict with russia is inevitable. If your friend thinks mccain and other congressmen are going to get chummy with putin, your friend is very ill informed.

Sure. With Trump at the helm, any country that insults his hair is likely to get boots on the ground. I'm not sure I'm overexaggerating there, but the keyword there is likely. Compare that to someone who has openly advocated for actions that would result in a war.

I'm not saying she was right, but I can see her perspective.

 

[SirClinksAlot]

I don't know any Trump supporters, thankfully.

 

[CrispyBoar]

You're right. When in doubt, just call EVERYBODY a bigot. Cast a wide net. Seemed to work out well for you guys up to this point. -_-

Hey, I only asked you a serious question. You don't have to act like that.

 

[Psykoboy2]

So Dana Gould, just days after the election, posted on his Facebook page seriously asking why people voted for Trump. The next day he posted what he found out by asking that question:

Yesterday I posted a serious and sober request for someone who voted for Trump to explain to me why this is a good thing.

The answers were 90% serious and sober and I was really enlightened by it. I am grateful to and appreciative of everyone who took the time to comment. Sincerely.

What I learned is this:
1. The industrial Midwest has been completely annihilated economically and the people there are SUFFERING and feel completely ignored and Iill-served by Washington DC. They hate Clinton for signing NAFTA, they hate Bush for doing nothing for them and they hate Obama for doing nothing for them. They don't give a shit about social issues or political correctness because they cannot afford that luxury. They are living paycheck to paycheck and are watching their world literally decay and fall apart and have finally reached the end of their rope.
Trump understood their rage and gave them a voice which they have never had. The more disgusting and ridiculous he became in the eyes of the media and the establishment, the more they loved him for it.
Now, the manufacturing base is not coming back (and that's a lie Trump will have to contend with)...
But this wasn't about Donald Trump.
The people who voted for him are pissed off abdvscared and rightfully so. They wanted to throw a grenade into Washington DC and scream "Fuck You!!" to everyone.
And they did.

2. The media never fully understood the deep distrust and outright hatred for Hillary Clinton. I am not saying I agree with it, or that it is justified, but I am telling you what I learned
These people blame the Clintons for signing NAFTA, which they blame for the eradication of our manufacturing base life as they knew it. Now that's not the complete cause, but that's how they see it and no one on the politically-correct left, not even Beyoncé or Jay-Z, ever fully appreciated that. To that end, Bernie Sanders may very well have done better than Clinton in those states. Something I was completely wrong about.

3. When asked how they feel about the fact that the KKK and other racist hate groups love Trump so much...
Silence.
In terms of all social justice issues… The things that concern people like you and me, many of the people who voted for Trump don't have the luxury to think about them. I'm not defending it or saying it's right. I am telling you what I learned. They are living paycheck to paycheck. Their union factory job is gone, they're working as a greeter at Walmart and driving around the minivan as an Uber on the weekends. They're scared, pissed off, and they just want to blow up the system.

So, as I said, it was never about who Trump was so much as the message he sent to the political establishment. But now he is going to be the president and we're all going to have to step up and fight for what we believe on.

My suggestion? Fuck hashtags. Fuck Fox News and fuck MSNBC. Tune out the daily hysteria machine. Find someone who disagrees with you and listen to them. Then ask them to listen to you. You may not agree, but you will have actually communicated!
Eight years ago, Barack Obama told us that we had to be the change we wanted. That was never more true than now.

As Nobel laureate Bob Dylan once said, "Don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters."

As for my own experience, before the election the people I knew voting for Trump could not see anything racist, sexist, or anything else wrong with casting a vote for the guy. Most of them were pretty sure he wouldn't win anyway because the Democrats own election machines or whatever. After Tuesday, however, things started to fall into place for them. Comments about what was happening since he was elected started to skew towards racism. And it's becoming even more so with who he's adding to his cabinet. It seems that for a lot of them, Tuesday, November 8th was Halloween...and now the masks are off.

 

[RDreamer]

I have a friend who voted for Trump based off a single issue - War. Between two candidates - one of which who would create a no fly zone over Syria and likely lead to international conflict, and the other who has an interventionist policy, she was worried that they'd be sending her daughter to war if we voted for Clinton.

One of the candidates was a seasoned veteran who knows the situation on the ground. She was intelligent and has actually had to be in the room when big decisions are being made. The other is a reality TV star that had to have his twitter taken away. In what world is war more likely under Clinton than a hot-headed racist like Trump.

I really don't think Clinton would make a decision like that easily. Going to war would have basically meant making her a one term politician, considering the political climate for war in her own party and the country as a whole, along with her Iraq war vote.

Exhibit B: They're considering John Bolton for secretary of state.

Now, sure I suppose I can lighten up on the "stupid" or brainwashed accusation, but maybe just in terminology. I think when you zero in on one single issue out of so many when electing someone who has such a large job that's maybe more than a little misguided.

 

[RDreamer]

So Dana Gould, just days after the election, posted on his Facebook page seriously asking why people voted for Trump. The next day he posted what he found out by asking that question:

As for my own experience, before the election the people I knew voting for Trump could not see anything racist, sexist, or anything else wrong with casting a vote for the guy. Most of them were pretty sure he wouldn't win anyway because the Democrats own election machines or whatever. After Tuesday, however, things started to fall into place for them. Comments about what was happening since he was elected started to skew towards racism. And it's becoming even more so with who he's adding to his cabinet. It seems that for a lot of them, Tuesday, November 8th was Halloween...and now the masks are off.

I saw this on Facebook a few days ago. It's so ridiculously hard to square with the white rural Wisconsin/Illinois voters I know. I grew up in the boondocks and still have a lot of connections to them. Saying they don't have time or energy to think about social justice is just crazy pants to me. They have more spare time than me or almost anyone in my generation. Same with this dire situation everyone paints them in. The funny thing is most of the rural union voters I know that voted Trump have it fucking MAID. They have their houses and new cars and solidly middle class pay for a job my generation couldn't fucking dream of. Oh, and they didn't need insane school loans for it. The Trump voters I know that aren't in unions? They fucking HATE unions and voted here in Wisconsin over and over again against them.

I mean I will agree that all those voters complain about how dire it is and how society is crumbling, but if you really look at their situation, I just don't fucking know.

I know what I'm talking about is completely anecdotal and I have actually seen some of the reality of this during my travels to parts of Indiana with my ex. There are some parts there really annihilated by things and left in a dire situation. I do feel for them, but it's hard for me to feel for someone like the people I talked about above.

Edit: Whoops, double post D:

 

[prag16]

Hey, I only asked you a serious question. You don't have to act like that.

If you weren't implying guilty until proven innocent in these matters should be the approach of choice (many others in this topic certainly would advocate for that), then my fault. My comment was under that assumption.

 

[Breakfast at Noon]

Family's splitting up over this and friends just seems mad to me.
If your going to no longer talk to your mother due to her political beliefs then it must be a awful family.
Half my family supported Brexit the other half did not, no arguments just a mutual understanding of who we are as individuals.

My family's love for each other is no different than it was a year ago.

 

[yellowjacket25]

I would estimate that over 90% of my family and friends supported Trump. I am not throwing them all away over politics. Thanksgiving will almost certainly have some conversation that makes my blood boil a little but they will eventually move on to some other topic. If you argue with them, not only are you not changing their mind, but you prolong the conversation.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Would you still say that if i told you they believe hillary took part in spirit cookings?

How they felt about Hillary is irrelevant to me. What matters is they didn't pull the level for Trump while 59 million others did.

 

[GARlockSpiral]

One of the candidates was a seasoned veteran who knows the situation on the ground. She was intelligent and has actually had to be in the room when big decisions are being made. The other is a reality TV star that had to have his twitter taken away. In what world is war more likely under Clinton than a hot-headed racist like Trump.

I really don't think Clinton would make a decision like that easily. Going to war would have basically meant making her a one term politician, considering the political climate for war in her own party and the country as a whole, along with her Iraq war vote.

Exhibit B: They're considering John Bolton for secretary of state.

Now, sure I suppose I can lighten up on the "stupid" or brainwashed accusation, but maybe just in terminology. I think when you zero in on one single issue out of so many when electing someone who has such a large job that's maybe more than a little misguided.

I feel if we were to take Clinton and Trump out of context for a moment, and ask who the bigger threat is, someone whose vocal plans would instigate a series of dominoes that could very well end in war, or someone who wants to be left alone but has a hotheaded temper? That's a debate to be had, and I can see someone choosing the latter.

Now the choice has passed all she can do is hope she's right. Hard to tell what's what in Trump's America.

 

[Gaogaogao]

I would estimate that over 90% of my family and friends supported Trump. I am not throwing them all away over politics. Thanksgiving will almost certainly have some conversation that makes my blood boil a little but they will eventually move on to some other topic. If you argue with them, not only are you not changing their mind, but you prolong the conversation.

the conversation needs to be had (nationwide, and probably worldwide), or nothing will change

 

[The Albatross]

Goddam, the Fiance who moves their wedding specifically to exclude her partner's grandparents and aunt... And then reaches out to a news organization to tell them about it with her full name.

Well, there's goes every family holiday from now until the end of time.

 

[Blader]

It's almost as if identity politics really helped us win in 2016.

Wait, they didn't.

I have a friend who voted for Trump based off a single issue - War. Between two candidates - one of which who would create a no fly zone over Syria and likely lead to international conflict, and the other who has an interventionist policy, she was worried that they'd be sending her daughter to war if we voted for Clinton.

Your friend will be awfully disappointed with Trump's choices for Secretaries of State and Defense.

 

[Dude Abides]

My father in law is racist and voted for Trump. I'm sure he convinced my mother in law to do so as well.

But I don't anticipate it being an issue at Thanksgiving because we don't discuss politics. They occasionally mention something to my wife but never to me, nor I to them, because everyone knows nothing constructive will come of it. I have a hard time understanding who would discuss politics at a holiday when they know other people strongly disagree. There's other shit to talk about. Talk about the grandkids, talk about sports, talk about movies. Why would anyone raise a topic that everyone knows is just going to cause a fight unless you're looking for one?

 

[Acosta]

I would stick with my family even if they voted for Satan himself, but that's me.

 

[Darryl M R]

It's almost as if identity politics really helped us win in 2016.

Wait, they didn't.

I have a friend who voted for Trump based off a single issue - War. Between two candidates - one of which who would create a no fly zone over Syria and likely lead to international conflict, and the other who has an interventionist policy, she was worried that they'd be sending her daughter to war if we voted for Clinton.

By your logic, she is either racist or stupid. Granted, Trump does love the poorly educated and the KKK has made him their candidate of choice. I'm not going to deny his rhetoric either, but there were a lot of reasons that people had for voting Trump. Reasons that will very likely to pan out to be nothing more than Trump's word salad, sure, but tell me - what's the alternative?

Your friend voted for someone because of one issue.

It's her right. Doesn't change the bolded.

My father in law is racist and voted for Trump. I'm sure he convinced my mother in law to do so as well.

But I don't anticipate it being an issue at Thanksgiving because we don't discuss politics. They occasionally mention something to my wife but never to me, nor I to them, because everyone knows nothing constructive will come of it. I have a hard time understanding who would discuss politics at a holiday when they know other people strongly disagree. There's other shit to talk about. Talk about the grandkids, talk about sports, talk about movies. Why would anyone raise a topic that everyone knows is just going to cause a fight unless you're looking for one?

Enjoy your turkey with them dude. Get leftovers. Me personally, I don't like to eat or socialize with racists but I can't hold it against others to have lower standards.

 

[Robdraggoo]

My mom wants thanksgiving at her house this year. We usualy host at my house because its bigger. I was opposed at first but now I see 2 highlights

1. I don't have to clean house before and after
2. When my mom and grandpa (life long repubs) inevitably bring up the election and trump. I can get the fuck out.

 

[Flai]

Why do you assume he means people who come here illegally when he literally doesn't say it in the quote? I mean he also assumes that there are only some good people in the people coming over (he knows that criminals and rapists over but only assumes that some are ok), which again, he doesn't distinguish between illegal and legal in his statement. You've twisted his position and statement more than we have. The people who read it, the Mexican Americans who hear it, have to take it at face value. They don't have the luxury of giving him some sort of benefit of the doubt when bigotry is not a stranger to the GOP in general. Hell, the people who cheer for it at his rallies take it at face value. His statements are the division for godsakes. Don't act like us using his own words against him are what's bringing about division and hatred. It's disingenuous. You know he's hired Steve Bannon of Breitbart for his administration. You know Pence the homophobe is his VP. Why are you giving him some sort of pass as though he doesn't actually mean what he fucking says?

Legal immigrants are not people that "Mexico sends", but rather people that "USA accepts". His statement was also in the context of "Mexico is beating USA in the border".

But anyways, you should use his own words against him. You shouldn't use half-true, twisted versions of his words and policies against him. Like people who are still saying that he wants to ban all Muslims from entering USA. That was his policy, but hasn't been for a long time.

Some people are saying that "Pence wants to force gays to conversion therapy". Yes, he did propose to put state funding to "institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior" which could be considered conversion therapy. That is despicable in 2016, but that wasn't in 2016. That was in 2000. 16 years ago Clinton was against gay marriage. Trump was a Democrat who supported universal healthcare. Things change, positions evolve. I'm not convinced that Pence is significantly more anti-LGBT than most of the other republicans, but that remains to be seen.

Appointing Steve Bannon and some of the other news about Trump's cabinet are not promising. I hope that Obama can smack some sense into Trump during the next two months, but I doubt it.

 

[Pilgrimzero]

Most everyone in my life voted Trump or Johnson. I can count the # of Hillary voters on one hand.

 

[gaugebozo]

Legal immigrants are not people that "Mexico sends", but rather people that "USA accepts". His statement was also in the context of "Mexico is beating USA in the border".

But anyways, you should use his own words against him. You shouldn't use half-true, twisted versions of his words and policies against him. Like people who are still saying that he wants to ban all Muslims from entering USA. That was his policy, but hasn't been for a long time.

Some people are saying that "Pence wants to force gays to conversion therapy". Yes, he did propose to put state funding to "institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior" which could be considered conversion therapy. That is despicable in 2016, but that wasn't in 2016. That was in 2000. 16 years ago Clinton was against gay marriage. Trump was a Democrat who supported universal healthcare. Things change, positions evolve. I'm not convinced that Pence is significantly more anti-LGBT than most of the other republicans, but that remains to be seen.

Appointing Steve Bannon and some of the other news about Trump's cabinet are not promising. I hope that Obama can smack some sense into Trump during the next two months, but I doubt it.

You're missing the point about banning all Muslims. Simply saying that is disqualifying. At one point, he wanted to ban all Muslims, even US citizens, even US soldiers from entering. Once you've said that you can change it all you like, it doesn't take it back.

 

[Shmuppers]

Your family is your family, regardless of what they believe.

 

[Omegasquash]

Your family is your family, regardless of what they believe.

They don't have to be, if they believe that your rights and safety matter less than theirs.

Edit: And I firmly believe that the best way to change folks is to interact with them as people. But if your blood votes for a candidate that stokes hatred against you and wants to make it easier to discriminate against you? Man, I don't blame you AT ALL for not wanting to engage.

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

Muslims aren't a race, and Muslim refugees represent a non-zero threat to the U.S. look at what's happened in Europe. And I never took Trump's infamous Mexican comments to be broadly condemning Mexicans but rather intended to criticize criminal elements coming from that country. So the things he said on those points were not complete irrational.

I don't agree with the things Trump says but unlike many on GAF I have to evaluate his statements on my own and not jump to the worst possible conclusion.

I do feel he's the worst presidential candidate in my lifetime and I'm very nervous about the future Trump adminstration. But ultimately I feel he is an amoral narcissist rather than a Hitleresque white supremacist.

I have no doubt that he has racial biases due to his age and background, but most of the worst things he's said have been tone deaf comments rather than intentionally racist.

Trump IS an amoral narcissist that EMPOWERED Hitleresque white supremacists.

This is the issue.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Many groups represent a non-zero threat to our country, and they do not get as strong a reaction as Muslims do.

For example, a member of Trump's transition team even tried to claim that the Oklahoma City Bombing was perpetrated in secret by Muslims.

 

[ReBurn]

I'm not sure that politics is something that I'm willing to give up my family for.

 

[HylianTom]

I see folks still clinging to the old chestnut that this is a mere disagreement over "politics."

"We need economic stimulus" vs "we need austerity" is political.
"Our tax cuts should primarily benefit the top 20%" vs "tax cuts for the middle and lower classes" is political.
"Let's spend on infrastructure!" vs "lets build-up the military!" is political.

"Those people should be second-class citizens" vs "those people should have the same rights as anyone else" is a completely different animal.

 

[Flip4k]

Seriously considering unfriending this good friend I've had for a very long time because of he recent posts aligning with MRA/alt right views.

He voted third party, but he would be pretty frequently post anti-Hillary videos. It stood out that he never once posted anything bad about Trump.

Luckily, my immediate family and I all have generally the same political views.

 

[Ms.Galaxy]

Your family is your family, regardless of what they believe.

No, I acknowledge my biological link to them, but I refuse to accept them as my family in terms of social structure if they believe my existence is lesser than theirs. Funny enough, they do, because I'm bisexual and trans. Only one that doesn't is my cousins and my own mother.Guess who's my family in that remark.

That being said, we're all social democrats in terms of most issues, it's just social issues where the disagreements are severe , especially in terms of their racism towards Latin Americans and their bigotry to the LGBT. My grandfather would be so ashamed of them.

 

[Deleted member 20415]

Most everyone in my life voted Trump or Johnson. I can count the # of Hillary voters on one hand.

I'm on the entirely opposite end.

I can only pick out a few uncles, distant acquaintances at best that voted for Trump. Everyone else in my life voted for Hilary.

I'm entirely in a bubble, sometimes I'm ok with that.

 

[Codeblue]

It's almost as if identity politics really helped us win in 2016.

Wait, they didn't.

I have a friend who voted for Trump based off a single issue - War. Between two candidates - one of which who would create a no fly zone over Syria and likely lead to international conflict, and the other who has an interventionist policy, she was worried that they'd be sending her daughter to war if we voted for Clinton.

By your logic, she is either racist or stupid. Granted, Trump does love the poorly educated and the KKK has made him their candidate of choice. I'm not going to deny his rhetoric either, but there were a lot of reasons that people had for voting Trump. Reasons that will very likely to pan out to be nothing more than Trump's word salad, sure, but tell me - what's the alternative?

The assessment your friend is making is that it's worth gambling with minority rights and abandoning everyone in Syria if Russia and Iran can be appeased.

And now they're floating John Bolton's name out there, who wants to go to war with Iran anyway.

You can have other reasons for voting Trump, but bigotry was part of his platform and you necessarily had to look past it, or do some insane mental gymnastics, to cast that vote. There's no other way to cut it.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Nobody at my Thanksgiving table will be a Trump supporter. I come from a hard core liberal family. I'm even on the more moderate end of someone like my mom.

 

[RDreamer]

I would stick with my family even if they voted for Satan himself, but that's me.

I don't get this. What about being related to someone makes people dismiss awful things?

I see folks still clinging to the old chestnut that this is a mere disagreement over "politics."

"We need economic stimulus" vs "we need austerity" is political.
"Our tax cuts should primarily benefit the top 20%" vs "tax cuts for the middle and lower classes" is political.
"Let's spend on infrastructure!" vs "lets build-up the military!" is political.

"Those people should be second-class citizens" vs "those people should have the same rights as anyone else" is a completely different animal.

Right. I would have a problem with republicans wanting to cut my medicare and social security and think their tax cuts to the top are utterly fucking bonkers, but it's not something I couldn't calmly discuss over thanksgiving dinner. Them voting for a man that said most Mexicans that come here are rapists and drug deals, a man that makes fun of the disabled, a man that admitted to sexually assaulting people in the way that about a dozen women says he has, and a man that has as a VP someone that wanted to put AIDS funding into conversion therapy is just a step too far.

 

[AndyD]

I see folks still clinging to the old chestnut that this is a mere disagreement over "politics."

"We need economic stimulus" vs "we need austerity" is political.
"Our tax cuts should primarily benefit the top 20%" vs "tax cuts for the middle and lower classes" is political.
"Let's spend on infrastructure!" vs "lets build-up the military!" is political.

"Those people should be second-class citizens" vs "those people should have the same rights as anyone else" is a completely different animal.

Yep. It goes way beyond politics into social implications and humanity.

 

[besada]

That's my biggest takeaway from all this also.

I would bet a lot of this is just a "last straw" kind of deal. Chances are the holidays last year and the year before that weren't great either. This year is just the final tip of the soda machine where people collectively say "you know what? I'd rather not do that painful and awkward thing every year with people I don't even really like being around - but do out of obligation"

I feel like well adjusted families would have the common sense to not talk about fucking politics, this year of all years, if they know not everyone agrees. Reading these stories of large gatherings with loud mouth Trump supporters is upsetting because not only did they vote for shitty policies - they have shitty manners too.

Like holy shit people other subjects exist - like discussing who got/gets what with the inheritance is a real crowd pleaser if you're looking to stir up trouble.

For my wife, it's all about her mouthy brother. She knows he'll say something that will make her deeply upset with him, so she'd rather skip a year than dear something he can't unsay. He's young, hot tempered, and not that bright, but he'll grow up hopefully. People forget that one year does not a family make. For some folks it may make more sense to sit out this year than it does to run headlong into a confrontation that creates years of anger. If they're your family, and you have a decent relationship, missing a year of Thanksgiving isn't going to do any long lasting damage, but going at it hammer and tongs until someone says something they don't mean surely can.

 

[23qwerty]

Well, if this continues to be the reaction, then guess what? Trump will win again in 2020. Not everyone who voted for him is a racist or stupid. Just like not everyone who voted for Hillary fucked up their emails.

A lot (a fucking lot) of people voted for him because he's not Hillary, and a shitload more voted for him because the Dems haven't done dick for them in the past 8 years and they want to be heard. No doubt a lot of those are ignorant, racist, sexist people. And trust me, I get the frustration. I had certainly hoped we had either left that behind or had reached a point of enlightenment as human beings that such trash belonged in the gutter of history.

But yeah, this is part of the generalization that fueled Trump's victory. If we keep making the same generalization, we're gonna get eight years of this crap.

Hey. Bud. If you voted for someone who actively denies climate change and has promised to set America and the world back 75 years in that regard, then you're probably a fucking moron. And that's just one small piece of the Trump pie.

 

[NoMoreTrolls]

Lucky I don't have this problem. It has to suck to have to decide between blood and principles.
A bit off topic, but...
One prevailing sentiment I've seen on this board is that if you're against illegal immigration you're racist. I'm going to put Trump support aside, because I think the man's batshit crazy, but what makes people believe that enforcing immigration controls like every other nation on earth is racist? Immigrant isn't a race. And I'm not talking about the "damn Mexicans are all criminals" people, but people that genuinely believe that the rules for obtaining citizenship are in place for a reason and that citizenship should be reached through legal channels.

 

[AlphaDump]

I cancelled plans with my trump supporting mom and brother. They arent rust belt types, more like pain killer addicted yuppies from NoVA who are gigantic assholes.


And i dont have time for that anymore.