He actually hedged his words saying he assumed some Mexican immigrants were good people. He was clearly saying that the majority of Mexican immigrants were drug dealers and rapists, and calling him out on it isn't divisive, his statements are. Stop trying to give this monster a pass. Hell, he also said a judge couldn't be expected to give a fair ruling because of his Mexican heritage. That is on its fucking face racist. This of course ignores Trump's long history of racism before the election. Jesus, Trump apologists man...
Trump has never called Mexicans rapist. Misstatements like this should not be thrown around so much. Doing that divides the country even futher and spouts more hate.
What Trump said, is that many of the people that Mexico "sends" to USA, are people who have problems, such as criminals and rapists. Is that a shitty statement to make? Sure. Is it racist? Maybe. But there is a huge difference between "[all] Mexicans are rapist" and "many of the Mexicans that come [illegally] to USA are criminals or rapists".
The statement implies it. If I say "muslims are terrorists", people read that as "[all] muslims are terrorists" even though I don't explicitly say it.
Semantics as a defense for Trump's words :/
He is a horrible person, I don't deny it. But there is no reasons to twist his words and positions, there is enough things to critize him for without doing that.
Actual Trump Quote:
"When Mexico sends its people, theyre not sending their best," Trump said. "Theyre not sending you. Theyre not sending you. Theyre sending people that have lots of problems, and theyre bringing those problems with us. Theyre bringing drugs. Theyre bringing crime. Theyre rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
"They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
SOME are good people he ASSUMES. Otherwise, they're rapists. Stop trying to defend this shit, it is a completely racist statement and while he didn't call "all" Mexicans rapists, he painted a huge swath of them with that brush.
My entire family, including my wife, voted for Trump. I am the only one who voted Hillary. I plan on having a wonderful thanksgiving and Christmas with them. B..b.b.but how could you have fun with racists?!?!! Because, I am an adult and I realize it was just a fucking election (oh and a vote for a supreme court justice doesn't make you racist). In four years there will be another one, and another four years after that.
This hyperbolic bullshit happens on both sides when they lose. Lots of tantrums and cries of Nazism and Fascism. Then life goes back to normal and the president does absolutely nothing for 4-8 years. Happens every time, yet people seem to act like its always a new concept.
This year is particularly bad because, for a certain subset of Millennials, this is their first loss, and they didn't even get a participation trophy.
You can be a doctor and have absolutely no clue about politics, sociology, economics or business. You're aware of this, right?I'm pretty sure my dad voted for him. He's a doctor, so he's not stupid. He's not a racist either, though he's no fan of illegal immigration.
Careful, I wouldn't go spouting intolerance like that! You've just gotta grow up, get on with your life and learn to accept the horrible thoughts and feelings people have because we need to unify. (I don't really need to say this is sarcasm but as some in this thread have been close enough to this, I'm being sarcastic).The extended is the worse.
My sister in law 's father will hopefully not be at thanksgiving.
He's "retired military" so everyone looks at him as the font of wisdom. "Indians, Pakistanis, whatever, same difference - kill them all, keep the kids from breeding, steal their oil" and "if you invite [my wife's friend] the faggot and his n****er boyfriend to thanksgiving I won't show up" are two recent gems.
You can be a doctor and have absolutely no clue about politics, sociology, economics or business. You're aware of this, right?
The extended is the worse.
My sister in law 's father will hopefully not be at thanksgiving.
He's "retired military" so everyone looks at him as the font of wisdom. "Indians, Pakistanis, whatever, same difference - kill them all, keep the kids from breeding, steal their oil" and "if you invite [my wife's friend] the faggot and his n****er boyfriend to thanksgiving I won't show up" are two recent gems.
My entire family, including my wife, voted for Trump. I am the only one who voted Hillary. I plan on having a wonderful thanksgiving and Christmas with them. B..b.b.but how could you have fun with racists?!?!! Because, I am an adult and I realize it was just a fucking election (oh and a vote for a supreme court justice doesn't make you racist). In four years there will be another one, and another four years after that.
This hyperbolic bullshit happens on both sides when they lose. Lots of tantrums and cries of Nazism and Fascism. Then life goes back to normal and the president does absolutely nothing for 4-8 years. Happens every time, yet people seem to act like its always a new concept.
This year is particularly bad because, for a certain subset of Millennials, this is their first loss, and they didn't even get a participation trophy.
This is what I honestly don't understand, and sorry to pick your post of the hundreds here, but I think it's a good representation of the general feeling.I'm also missing thanksgiving.
As the white dude in an interracial relationship with a largely rural family... Facebook hasn't been pretty, and I have no interest in seeing them right now.
I know most mean well, but they live in a bubble and lack consideration for others at best.
Actual Trump Quote:
"When Mexico sends its people, theyre not sending their best," Trump said. "Theyre not sending you. Theyre not sending you. Theyre sending people that have lots of problems, and theyre bringing those problems with us. Theyre bringing drugs. Theyre bringing crime. Theyre rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
"They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
SOME are good people he ASSUMES. Otherwise, they're rapists. Stop trying to defend this shit, it is a completely racist statement and while he didn't call "all" Mexicans rapists, he painted a huge swath of them with that brush.
This is the thing that gets me the most. When people say we're being too mean to working class people who voted for Trump and that they should be reached out to and educated, what do they think the end result will be? If you come up in an echo chamber of rejecting facts and then climb out of it or are brought out, you'll have more disdain for it and rightfully so. It's easy to understand why people do what they do; it doesn't mean you have to shrug your shoulders at it.
I don't even deny the idea that there's a liberal echo chamber too but it's a lot closer to reality. If your main news source has a "Black Crime" tab then you can eat a dick.
Did you have the same problem visiting them when Obama won?
No, they are not rapists otherwise?? Jesus christ, did you even read what you posted? What he said, is that most of the people who "Mexico sends" (I assume that means people who come illegally) have lots of problems. That's it. Then he gives some examples, like for example they bring drugs, they bring crime or they are rapists. He doesn't say that everyone of them brings drugs andcrime and rape people. He does however say, that most of them are "people who have lots of problems". That is debatable (and probably not true).
But whatever, it seems like GAF and I have a different opinion on how much it's okay to twist people's statements and positions. But in my opinion, twisting the positions only brings more hate, division and misinformed people.
Doctors can be stupid, they're not automatically more intelligent than everyone else, they just have knowledge about the human body. I know plenty of stupid racist doctors. How would you know if he was a racist or not? Have you brought up what he thinks about other races? Also, whether he's really racist or not, this Hasan Minhaj quote is still worth heeding.
No, they are not rapists otherwise?? Jesus christ, did you even read what you posted? What he said, is that most of the people who "Mexico sends" (I assume that means people who come illegally) have lots of problems. That's it. Then he gives some examples, like for example they bring drugs, they bring crime or they are rapists. He doesn't say that everyone of them brings drugs andcrime and rape people. He does however say, that most of them are "people who have lots of problems". That is debatable (and probably not true).
But whatever, it seems like GAF and I have a different opinion on how much it's okay to twist people's statements and positions. But in my opinion, twisting the positions only brings more hate, division and misinformed people.
If I want financial information, I'll ask my accountant, if I want a check-up I'll go to my doctor and if I want a car repair I'll got to my mechanic.
People for years complain that Republican voters continually vote against their self interests with poor economic policies. Now that a lot vote for their own self interests (whether true or not), the message is why aren't you thinking of others.
People for years complain that Republican voters continually vote against their self interests with poor economic policies. Now that a lot vote for their own self interests (whether true or not), the message is why aren't you thinking of others.
No, they are not rapists otherwise?? Jesus christ, did you even read what you posted? What he said, is that most of the people who "Mexico sends" (I assume that means people who come illegally) have lots of problems. That's it. Then he gives some examples, like for example they bring drugs, they bring crime or they are rapists. He doesn't say that everyone of them brings drugs andcrime and rape people. He does however say, that most of them are "people who have lots of problems". That is debatable (and probably not true).
But whatever, it seems like GAF and I have a different opinion on how much it's okay to twist people's statements and positions. But in my opinion, twisting the positions only brings more hate, division and misinformed people.
People for years complain that Republican voters continually vote against their self interests with poor economic policies. Now that a lot vote for their own self interests (whether true or not), the message is why aren't you thinking of others.
Yes, deport 3 million people.Do you honestly think Trump is going to do anything for these people
Do you honestly think Trump is going to do anything for these people
No, they are not rapists otherwise?? Jesus christ, did you even read what you posted? What he said, is that most of the people who "Mexico sends" (I assume that means people who come illegally) have lots of problems. That's it. Then he gives some examples, like for example they bring drugs, they bring crime or they are rapists. He doesn't say that everyone of them brings drugs andcrime and rape people. He does however say, that most of them are "people who have lots of problems". That is debatable (and probably not true).
But whatever, it seems like GAF and I have a different opinion on how much it's okay to twist people's statements and positions. But in my opinion, twisting the positions only brings more hate, division and misinformed people.
Yeah, but if all shishtaouks went home, we'd have one less delicious dish to eatShe did write on that post: ''Go home, shishtaouk.''
The extended is the worse.
My sister in law 's father will hopefully not be at thanksgiving.
He's "retired military" so everyone looks at him as the font of wisdom. "Indians, Pakistanis, whatever, same difference - kill them all, keep the kids from breeding, steal their oil" and "if you invite [my wife's friend] the faggot and his n****er boyfriend to thanksgiving I won't show up" are two recent gems.
I'm from a catholic family so my thanksgiving will be hell. Last year we briefly discussed healthcare and I mentioned the U.S. has one of the highest infant mortality rates in the first world. A family member responded by saying "of course we do! With all them baby parts being stolen by Planned Parenthood it all makes sense!"
It truly is a post-truth society.
I don't think shutting out your family helps anyone. You should stick around and fight the good fight while at the same time not allowing toxicity to run your life.
I'm pretty sure my dad voted for him. He's a doctor, so he's not stupid. He's not a racist either, though he's no fan of illegal immigration.
People for years complain that Republican voters continually vote against their self interests with poor economic policies. Now that a lot vote for their own self interests (whether true or not), the message is why aren't you thinking of others.
The problem with the divide is how do you make a case at election time for people who you don't even talk to anymore?
You have 2 options for president, you vote for the person you HOPE has your interests in mind
Come on, now. You're assuming a lot of things. Being comfortable in the company of KKK/Stormfront/neonazis/Breibart doesn't necessarily mean that you too are personally a Racist.He stands on the side of racists so.....
I don't know that it matters if you can't even agree to what is and is not true.
Fake news and slanted news has made it impossible to have a conversation about politics.
This is not a case any longer of differing ideologies, say differing economic philosophies, this is just a a case of many people denying the realities of the world and being unwilling to accept that they may be wrong.
For you, it's an argument at a dinner table. For everyone else affected, it's a serious concern about their rights and lives. If you're not willing to have it out with your family in a safe space to battle prejudices and misconceptions, what hope is there for less fortunate others who are and likely to suffer and rely on people from the majority to stand up for them?
You gotta be racist as hell or remarkably stupid to actually vote for him. Not surprising someone wouldn't want to be around that.
Right. For a lot of those who won't be speaking up this holiday, I imagine they have vocalized their point of view already and/or recognize that it is an argument that isn't going anywhere and won't accomplish anything except ruining the mood.
I don't know that it matters if you can't even agree to what is and is not true.
Fake news and slanted news has made it impossible to have a conversation about politics.
This is not a case any longer of differing ideologies, say differing economic philosophies, this is just a a case of many people denying the realities of the world and being unwilling to accept that they may be wrong.
Do you honestly think Trump is going to do anything for these people