BreezyLimbo
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Seriously. Even Putin wouldnt' want everything, including russia and himself, destroyed in MAD.
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Politico: Bill Perry Is Terrified [of the threat of nuclear weapons]. Why Arent You?
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Seriously. Even Putin wouldnt' want everything, including russia and himself, destroyed in MAD.
This quote is great description of what is already happening, he is brilliant, but he is missing the forest for the tress. It didn't take a nuke, it took a plane flying into the World Trade Center and a few terrorist bombings in Europe for free Western societies to start collapsing into security states and its only accelerating.
I'm far less concerned with nuclear weapons then I am with climate change and automation. Both will completely destroy human civilization as we know it, they are are inevitable at this point and nothing is being done to prepare for them. Meanwhile, both Russia and the USA have gotten pretty good at not nuking each other.
Generalpsyduck
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Yeah because people like putin, trump and kim jung un are totally in their right mind.
Nice retort.
TestOfTide
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Um no.....Russia is NOT a US ally. Trump may be buddy buddy with Putin, but even most of the GOP still opposes Putin.
And having the two biggest nuclear powers being allies would suck for everyone who isn't friends with Russia.
Bam Bam Baklava
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I wonder if this "if it happens it happens" apathy is what made people okay with handing nukes to a bipolar manchild.
Austriacus
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I advise you to read the dictators handbook, fantastic book and will probably make you realise that this idea that autocrats are all powerfull is nothing but propaganda.
John Rabbit
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It's not apathy to spend your time and energy on things you can control rather than things you cannot.
DragonSworne
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This so much.
When Putin calls in on Trump's debt and makes him bankrupt just see what happens to the US.
There is a reason why a you don't elect people with massive debt, especially when that debt is owed to foreigners.
rokkerkory
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Really? You just let the dice roll on something like this?
meltingparappa
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There are less warheads than ever, most existing warheads are duds, all first world nations are much less aggressive than they were during the cold war, an effective nuclear arms program requires extensive testing and North Korea isn't even 10% of the way there, and a realistic working cesium-based dirty bomb from am militia group can make a street corner extremely unpleasant but won't turn people into shadows anytime soon.
The sky isn't falling, so how about we just go on living our lives.
The sky isn't falling, so how about we just go on living our lives.
KernelPanic
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That's why they approved a pro-Russia policy toward Crimea in their platform?
The only opposition we are hearing is McCain and Graham for the most part
NoblesseOblige
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I have a better chance getting shot on the street. And I'm not terrified of getting shot on the street. We should still do everything in our power to prevent it, but I'm not going to be afraid.
Russia has been downsizing nukes as well. Revamping existing ones to be more modern isn't the same as reducing their number. Unbelievable!
Generalpsyduck
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Added it to my list. Thanks!
TheLaughingStock
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We can ask people to respond to the nuclear threat to our satisfaction like Mr. Perry. And either they will or they won't. What else should we do?
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Funny thing about Trump though.......
No fuck off with this shit. Hes not launching nukes. All hes going to do is rework shit to benefit his businesses, like every other crook in politics.
We don't really know what he'll do, especially if backed into a corner.
DiscoJer
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Honestly, I worry that this extreme paranoia over Trump doing crazy things is going to blunt criticism of his actual, more dangerous policies and actions
"Trade War with China? Well, at least it's not a nuclear war, whew!"
NK is most likely to do it, but they'd be dealt with swiftly.
Beyond that the next biggest danger is India/Pakistan trading blows.
After that I can't decide if the bigger threat is terrorists getting their hands on a nuke or Trump using a nuke because he's an insane old man with paper skin and nothing to lose.
There are leaders who have nukes and the mental deficiencies to use them so I'm not sure why you think it's impossible
the fact that nukes exist and can change the world in an instant has been a thing for a long time. Any lunatic could change the world I see no reason why you'd be any more scared now.
Trump ain't gonna do it even though people upset at his presidency love to dream that crazy scenario.
Trump ain't gonna do it even though people upset at his presidency love to dream that crazy scenario.
KO Traveling Hobo
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I get anxious just posting on GAF. Nuclear apocalypse is so far beyond my scope.
KernelPanic
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I think Trump asking why can't we use nukes repeatedly is what has people on edge.
Trump is an ass and a troll but he's not gonna be stupid about shit like that.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
4 years is a long time for fuckery..... Hell he hasn't even sworn in and look at what's happened.
chillybright
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No, you drop the gun first.
No, you!
No, you!
littleworm
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I find comfort in the fact that if I were to be killed in a nuclear holocaust, the ones responsible for it would likely die along with me.
Corronchilejano
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Jack The Nipper
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His biggest point to me is how non government organizations can do it. Not to mention governments that would
There is likely to be a large event by a milliant group.
But I figure chemical and it will be bad. So bad and Depressing
There is likely to be a large event by a milliant group.
But I figure chemical and it will be bad. So bad and Depressing
Goro Majima
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If nearly every nuclear weapon is controlled by basically billionaires, I don't think we have a lot to worry about because they've got a whole lot to lose.
I am concerned about terrorist organizations getting ahold of WMDs of any kind though.
I am concerned about terrorist organizations getting ahold of WMDs of any kind though.
LegendofJoe
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I've been to Hiroshima, not everyone has forgotten. But yeah far too many have.
As I learned during the Cold War, there's no point in worrying. Live your life. If it comes, it'll be over quick. The decision to fire or not fire nuclear weapons is so far out of your hands, that there's very little you can do (and basically nothing for the next four years) to influence it one way or another. So stick it in a box in the back of your head, tape it up, and go on with your life. Whole generations managed it before you, and you'll figure out how to do it, too.
HP_Wuvcraft
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.... what? Like, what?
CrocMother
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It's one of those things that is completely out of my control, so I don't bother to think about it.
At this point you kind of just hope for the best, and hope his alarming comments on nukes is just a distraction.
Austriacus
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People are aware that russia has a group of oligarchs that control basically everything and of another group of those in the us that effectively controls everything as well.
And somehow, people think that these oligarchs would profit more from you guys dead rather than alive.
I wish people though about this for more than 5 seconds with a semblance of objectivity.
How are these people suposed to control you all when you are dead.
Russia and the US are never going to war, Trump is a moron but he also likes to have things around the world. Putin is an autocrat but the oligarchs backing him in Russia and himself prefer people having the luxury of being able to able to buy their oil and not having to give it up because they are starving to death.
And somehow, people think that these oligarchs would profit more from you guys dead rather than alive.
I wish people though about this for more than 5 seconds with a semblance of objectivity.
How are these people suposed to control you all when you are dead.
Russia and the US are never going to war, Trump is a moron but he also likes to have things around the world. Putin is an autocrat but the oligarchs backing him in Russia and himself prefer people having the luxury of being able to able to buy their oil and not having to give it up because they are starving to death.
He's not only stupid though, he's also a fucking crazy lunatic monster.
Let's be honest here, if nuclear war would began, we'd end up destroying ourselves in the process. The people you listed are hated, and even feared, but they aren't Joker-tier insane. Unless an absolute, nihilistic madman were to get their hands on a nuke, nothing will happen, it's really all a dick measuring contest and always has been.
I grew up in the Cold Ear and didn't spend my time terrified then, and I don't now.
A directed state-level exchange is still really unlikely, even one between minor powers like India & Pakistan. A badly made low-yield IND (improvised nuclear device) has some degree of traction, but again I'm more concerned about some nutter with a knife going off in a packed shopping mall.
A directed state-level exchange is still really unlikely, even one between minor powers like India & Pakistan. A badly made low-yield IND (improvised nuclear device) has some degree of traction, but again I'm more concerned about some nutter with a knife going off in a packed shopping mall.
The "if it happens, it happens" mentality is completely apathetic and explains exactly why Trump was elected. This is the most immediate danger to civilization as we know it and people don't care. If there is a nuclear strike or war a whole lot of people will suddenly care and it would have been completely preventable. Maybe it is in our nature to self destruct, but throwing our hands up collectively and giving up guarantees it.
If you want a good primer on how close we came to nuclear war watch The Fog of War.
If you want a good primer on how close we came to nuclear war watch The Fog of War.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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I am pretty concerned about it, that's why I didn't vote for a guy that has a tantrum at every perceived slight to be the one in charge of the button. He however, won anyways, so now I just have to hope that somebody drills the concept of Nuclear Deterrence to his brain once he gets sworn in.
My hope is that a secret service member or the football carrier refuses to let it happen
E-Cat
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Yeah, about that-- a nuclear armageddon in our lifetime is orders of magnitude more likely than a meter strike.
Dreams-Visions
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Reading now. Thank you.
Many American's today have not known fear. They've never had to be afraid. Never had to do nuclear bomb drills. Never had to -- as Bill Perry did -- go to bed every night wondering if that day would be his last day on Earth because of nuclear weapons. They're too far from our understanding. They're black & white on an old fuzzy TV. Too distant to appreciate.
It's the distance that creates the apathy. And when something happens, it'll be too late.
Many American's today have not known fear. They've never had to be afraid. Never had to do nuclear bomb drills. Never had to -- as Bill Perry did -- go to bed every night wondering if that day would be his last day on Earth because of nuclear weapons. They're too far from our understanding. They're black & white on an old fuzzy TV. Too distant to appreciate.
It's the distance that creates the apathy. And when something happens, it'll be too late.
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