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Politico: Inside the bitter last days of Bernie's revolution
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France doesn't officially keep track of the race of inmates. From what I've read, based on witness accounts from the inside, a massive percentage of inmates are minorities. Particularly Muslim.
Look at Muslims in France in particular.
I won't repeat the exact calculation, it can be found on GAF somewhere. But while the percentage of Muslims on the total French prison population is higher than the percentage of black inmates in the American one, the amount of people in prison is way lower so that an average French muslim has a way lower chance of ever ending up in prison compared to a black American. In France, 99 out of every 100.000 people are in prison, in the United States 693 out of 100.000.
This of course also assumes that every of those Muslims is actually a French citizen, which might not be the case while the amount of non-American black people in US prisons is probably less pronounced. Last assumption is based on the nearby Belgium, where 1/3 of all people in jails are apparantly criminals that are also illegaly in the country. Algerians and Morrocans formed the biggest group under those illegal immigrants. Those countries have way closer ties to France, so I can assume they'd also be attracted to those countries. ( http://www.vandaag.be/binnenland/97900_een-derde-gevangenen-illegaal-in-belgie.html )
Tell me what do you think Bernie Sanders could "change completely" as POTUS.So Bernie is a bad guy for not falling in line?
I really get the vibe that most Americans are conservative and would rather compromise than have something change completely.
So Bernie is a bad guy for not falling in line?
The vitriol for Sanders by establishment democrats/die-hard Clinton supporters is bonkers. There are some who legitimately don't like his policies, which is obviously a valid stance.. but then there are those who just hate him because he wouldn't just give the nomination to Clinton months ago when the establishment had already decided months before that, that she was our candidate.
RustyNails
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He agreed to play by the rules. Now he lost by a landslide, he is calling the rules rigged, corrupt and stacked against him.So Bernie is a bad guy for not falling in line?
The establishment also decided that Clinton was the candidate in 2008. Along came Barack Obama, swept the north, south, east and west and demonstrated to everyone that he's got the mandate. The supers started switching from Hillary to Obama and by California primaries it was all over, even though Hillary won it. Bernie didn't demonstrate anything to anyone other than showing he got college kids and white folks as his big constituency. Why should anyone support that?The vitriol for Sanders by establishment democrats/die-hard Clinton supporters is bonkers. There are some who legitimately don't like his policies, which is obviously a valid stance.. but then there are those who just hate him because he wouldn't just give the nomination to Clinton months ago when the establishment had already decided months before that, that she was our candidate.
The thing saving the US from this: Immigration.I was just reading the earlier part of this thread, and I laugh at some of the Europeans here with the usual put down on the USA. Last I read, it is Europe that is having a wave of nationalist, far right racist and neo-nazi movements here, not the USA. These parties are sweeping into power all over Europe.
We might have Trump but at least he only won a primary of a subset of our population, not a national election. Trust me when I say that he will be eviscerated in the general election.
If white people alone decided the election, we'd have Sanders vs Trump.
It is not. He's poisoned the well by calling the process illegitimate and caused a 20 point swing in Trump's favor among his supporters in Clinton/Trump matchup polls over the past 2 months. Democrats are incensed at this. They have every reason to be.The vitriol for Sanders by establishment democrats/die-hard Clinton supporters is bonkers.
Bobby Roberts
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the establishment had already decided months before that, that she was our candidate.
It was more that the number of votes she'd already amassed about three months ago made his path to the white house all but mathematically impossible - which ended up being the case.
The establishment didn't decide that. The voters did.
It wasn't that the establishment had decided she was out candidate. The people had decided that she was out candidate.The vitriol for Sanders by establishment democrats/die-hard Clinton supporters is bonkers. There are some who legitimately don't like his policies, which is obviously a valid stance.. but then there are those who just hate him because he wouldn't just give the nomination to Clinton months ago when the establishment had already decided months before that, that she was our candidate.
Right now Sanders can support the Democratic nominee or he can continue to hurt the party. What he's doing now is just exposing how petty and self aggrandizing he is.
Edit: Here is what baffles me. There are Bernie supporters on this forum who say that Bernie is truly revolutionary, not Obama, because Bernie lacked the "support of the establishment". I mean, are you kidding me?
Aaron Strife
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Just checking, have you eaten crow on this yet? Asking for a friendFirst of all you are making a mistake thinking this a small feat, basically Sanders is the second most successful looser in a Democratic primary after Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton who has been a household name for 30 years. Hillary who has had all the advantages you could possibly ask for in both of her runs.
We are talking about 74 year old, Jewish, self declared democratic socialist, from one of the smalles and least important states in the country, with a one trackmind and not many friends in power, without financial backing of a billionare who was running for the presidency. A candidate the majority of the country never heard of an year ago. A 74 year old who seemed to connect with a younger generation and was able to rise from obscurity to being a "cult leader" according to some. Why because he simply made the central thematic of his campaign those issues that young people run into - mass underemployment, lack of opportunities, an inadequate education system which leaves them under huge dept or without opportunities on labor market, a healthcare system which sometimes pushes costs onto those who could least afford them, no-paternity leave, a justice system more interested in putting people in jail than making the communities a better place, a foreign policy that just perpetuates war, a war on terror that challenges the very fabrics of international law and is utilized by terrorists to recruit into their army, an ever greater strain due to both globalization and automation leading to more unemployment, a campaign finance system that rots the very fabric of democracy, continued under-funding and corruption on regulatory bodies, a government that isn't willing to address real long term concerns regarding the climate, corporations drafting laws etc
Whether it's one issue or another there are plenty of reasons why he hit a cord and the continued belittlement of some of the issues "most people don't care about A enough" is a bit perplexing. Whatever the reason I very much doubt anyone in a few years will be talking the same way about this campaign.
In the end a lot of the "campaign" was regular people who got politically active through donations, phonebanks, writing a bit of code or simply introducing their friends and families to some of the issues that need to be resolved ASAP and could be resolved if there is enough pressure.
He carried the youth vote with such margins - shows that mainstream media has less and less effects on the way people are able to gain information. I have found the comments about Sanders not being attacked humorous - he has been attacked numerous ways online by very reputable organizations, surrogates, Super PACs, campaigns, journalists etc. He seems to have fared pretty well among people who get the majority of their news online - I think the results among voters under 30 demonstrated that. No matter when the blackout happened it certainly had an effect in his viability. Media coverage and what the media chooses to cover effects voter behavior. If anyone likes I can link several studies on the subject.
I'm not saying Sanders was a great candidate, others could have stepped up but chose not to. I maintain that in my opinion he would have been the far stronger candidate in a GE and hence I continue to worry about November. Hopefully HillGAF proves right about everything and I have nothing to worry aboutother than Obama 3.0 with more foreign interventions and worse decision making
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=206021057&postcount=1592
Aaronology
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Voters decided that Hillary Clinton was our candidate. Please stop making excuses for Bernie Sanders.The vitriol for Sanders by establishment democrats/die-hard Clinton supporters is bonkers. There are some who legitimately don't like his policies, which is obviously a valid stance.. but then there are those who just hate him because he wouldn't just give the nomination to Clinton months ago when the establishment had already decided months before that, that she was our candidate.
It was more that the number of votes she'd already amassed about three months ago made his path to the white house all but mathematically impossible - which ended up being the case.
The establishment didn't decide that. The voters did.
Pretty much. If Bernie's revolution had any chance of being able to take hold, he would've been able to drive voters to the primary. The didn't show up in large enough numbers. There's really no conspiracy here. He performed very admirably compared to where he theoretically should've been, but he just didn't have the pull he thought he did.
excelsiorlef
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The vitriol for Sanders by establishment democrats/die-hard Clinton supporters is bonkers. There are some who legitimately don't like his policies, which is obviously a valid stance.. but then there are those who just hate him because he wouldn't just give the nomination to Clinton months ago when the establishment had already decided months before that, that she was our candidate.
Or there are those who find his brand of aggressive litmus test purity progressiveness to be a danger to the long term success of the beliefs he holds dear.
He's a guy with great ideas but the worst plan to actualize them.
He is not the right person for the job nor the right person to spread a left wing growth. He hasn't raised hope, he's raised a youth group that is bitter, cynical and that have bought into the delusion of being democratically disenfranchised because he's convinced them that he actually won but Clinton stole it through fraud, lies and DNC villainy. That's not a reason to have hipe for the future that's just another excuse for them to stay home on election day, as if they needed one.
Also the establishment didn't give Clinton the nomination, the Democratic people did . Especially the core minority coalition that is crucial to any Democrat's success.
M0nochromatic
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I had hoped that he would use his time to preach a little about what legitimate issues he had, to try and sow some ideas in the voters, and then let it go gracefully after the finish line was reached by Clinton.
It is unfortunate, but hey maybe in another 8 years some of his ideas will have taken root in some way. It's not about falling in line, but about seeing the bigger picture and whose side you'r really on.
It is unfortunate, but hey maybe in another 8 years some of his ideas will have taken root in some way. It's not about falling in line, but about seeing the bigger picture and whose side you'r really on.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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So Bernie is a bad guy for not falling in line?
I really get the vibe that most Americans are conservative and would rather compromise than have something change completely.
politics is about compromise.
Your pride and principles cross into selfishness and lack of empathy if you are not willing to compromise.
What terrifies about all the Bernie supporters that will stand by their "principles" and vote for Jill Stein or just not vote at all. It demonstrates a lack of empathy and selfishness.
ShironRedshift
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It's fascinating that that wasn't what I saw at all last night, however. At Clinton's event, she congratulated Sanders on his victories and on the campaign he had run, and this was met to cheers. Then she complimented his performance throughout the debates and how that benefited the Democratic party, and this was again met to cheers. There wasn't the slightest hint of vitriol toward Sanders from those who attended who victory speech.The vitriol for Sanders by establishment democrats/die-hard Clinton supporters is bonkers. There are some who legitimately don't like his policies, which is obviously a valid stance.. but then there are those who just hate him because he wouldn't just give the nomination to Clinton months ago when the establishment had already decided months before that, that she was our candidate.
Meanwhile, at Sanders' rally last night, he only mentioned Clinton once very briefly, complimenting her on her victories, but despite that Clinton's name being mentioned was met by very audible boos by those who attended, more intense boos than even Donald Trump received when Sanders mentioned him.
There definitely seems to be animosity, but it seems be coming much more loudly, and be much more condoned and more commonplace on one side than the other, and that side doesn't seem to be Clinton's. There's no way anyone can say otherwise in good faith after watching the behavior of the guests at their respective candidates' events last night, as the stark contrasts between two events held on the same night by people who are all supposed to be on the same side, yet one candidate's supporters were clearly willing to extend an olive branch last night and displayed no ill will while the other's made their feelings quite apparent.
Of course, this isn't to say that there aren't Clinton supporters who treat Sanders' supporters with resentment and vitriol and resentment, because such individuals certainly do exist and aren't isolated to one group or the other. But if last night made anything clear, one group certainly seems to have a much larger problem with that at the current moment than the other, and that group is not Clinton's supporters. There's no way to argue otherwise in good faith, watching their events side by side. No way.
So Bernie is a bad guy for not falling in line?
I really get the vibe that most Americans are conservative and would rather compromise than have something change completely.
We can lead the Democrat Party to the water in terms of better progressiveness, recognition of the shit black citizens have to live through, etc. We can't do that currently with the GOP. Bernie doesn't want to lead anyone to the water, he wants you to sign over the water rights and then decide who can come drink the water or go thirsty.
Nobody is expecting him to "fall in line", but he also needs to realize that purity tests are why the GOP is the situation it's in. Shambles.
This is one of the reasons I'm voting for Hillary, honestly. To get shit done you need someone that can politic but also can realize they'll have to compromise and figure it with another path. She almost went all the way in 2008 and had to figure herself out. It's almost been ten years. The entire Democratic Party now has a bunch of new "canon" planks that she'll continue. She's been brought to the water on some issues she lacked on - not all of them, but at least some. She's also, importantly, been active. We have multiple Supreme Court appointments at stake that will echo for DECADES.
googleplex
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politics is about compromise.
Your pride and principles cross into selfishness and lack of empathy if you are not willing to compromise.
What terrifies about all the Bernie supporters that will stand by their "principles" and vote for Jill Stein or just not vote at all. It demonstrates a lack of empathy and selfishness.
The worst thing about it its Bernie or Bust bros aren't even standing on their "Principles" but their egos.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Voting for the Green Party, to me at least, is almost as bad as voting for Trump. I just can't stand anti-vaxxers.
I really wonder psychologically where that comes from.
Some type of superiority complex where they think they know better?
It's disappointing the amount of anti-science stuff in the Green Party.
I really wonder psychologically where that comes from.
Some type of superiority complex where they think they know better?
It's disappointing the amount of anti-science stuff in the Green Party.
Plenty of people on the left are suspicious of corporations or the government or the medical industry. They also are the same people that believe in homoepathy and other alternate health bullshit because they assume big pharma is just hiding all the real cures from the populace so they can sell costly treatments instead.
Same place it comes from on the right wing w/ religious nuts.I really wonder psychologically where that comes from.
Some type of superiority complex where they think they know better?
It's disappointing the amount of anti-science stuff in the Green Party.
So Bernie is a bad guy for not falling in line?
I really get the vibe that most Americans are conservative and would rather compromise than have something change completely.
Most human beings are like this. There is no guarantee that changing things completely is going to work, and in many cases, it utterly fails. Political revolution is an idiotic notion when we don't even have a concrete idea what the revolution actually stands for. Are we talking about constructive socialism in the vein of Milwaukee's "sewer socialists", or are we obliging elements who oppose capitalism in general? Does the "revolution" also apply to GMOs? Immigration? Health care?
If things are going to change completely, who is going to set the line? And where? Do you even know?
I really wonder psychologically where that comes from.
Some type of superiority complex where they think they know better?
It's disappointing the amount of anti-science stuff in the Green Party.
The Green Party wants to expand their base, which unfortunately means that they have to cater to many members of the left-lunatic fringe. They also support state-funded homeopathic medicine. I think the hope is that when they get a big enough audience they will be able to stop catering to kooks.
I really wonder psychologically where that comes from.
Some type of superiority complex where they think they know better?
It's disappointing the amount of anti-science stuff in the Green Party.
I feel as if berniebros making the leap to Green have done little to no research on what that party is. Take s4p for example. The Green Party has been having a fucking ball in there the past few days, convincing the most "devoted" Sanders followers that their party is aligned somehow with his message.
He agreed to play by the rules. Now he lost by a landslide, he is calling the rules rigged, corrupt and stacked against him.
This, and not keeping his supporters under control with the Hillary hatred, thus hurting the party and inevitably helping Trump.
He agreed to play by the rules. Now he lost by a landslide, he is calling the rules rigged, corrupt and stacked against him.
He is not wrong though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd5rul6EdF0
The American voting systems ARE rigged, corrupt and stacked against anyone new.
It is sad, the one person who openly called to change a lot of the bullshit surrounding USA's political and social systems is now basically gone and people are stuck with Trump and Hillary.
Bam Bam Baklava
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He is not wrong though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd5rul6EdF0
The American voting systems ARE rigged, corrupt and stacked against anyone new.
It is sad, the one person who openly called to change a lot of the bullshit surrounding USA's political and social systems is now basically gone and people are stuck with Trump and Hillary.
What the hell does gerrymandering have to do with him losing the primary?
What the hell does gerrymandering have to do with him losing the primary?
Nothing, but it is a example of how the American voting system is a total mess at the moment. And it wouldn't surprise me if it stretched down to the Primaries as well.
He is not wrong though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd5rul6EdF0
The American voting systems ARE rigged, corrupt and stacked against anyone new.
It is sad, the one person who openly called to change a lot of the bullshit surrounding USA's political and social systems is now basically gone and people are stuck with Trump and Hillary.
The same voting system that allowed Bernie to win so many Caucases? Why didn't he call bullshit on those?
Edit: Beaten like I would be if I showed up at a trump rally
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Nothing, but it is a example of how the American voting system is a total mess at the moment. And it wouldn't surprise me if it stretched down to the Primaries as well.
He lost the popular vote by millions. There's no pretzel contortion you can do to change that reality. He also benefited from the single most undemocratic type of voting there is, caucuses. Give me a fucking break.
Sanders used the dysfunction of American voting to his advantage PLENTY. See; caucuses.
And still thinks he can move super delegates to his side by convincing them to vote against someone the people overwhelmingly voted for.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
I just didn't approve of how he paved over the fact that Hilary just made history for America.
That's right.
I didn't approve.
That's right.
I didn't approve.
Nothing, but it is a example of how the American voting system is a total mess at the moment. And it wouldn't surprise me if it stretched down to the Primaries as well.
In other words, you know nothing about the American political system, but you saw this interesting Youtube video.
Nothing, but it is a example of how the American voting system is a total mess at the moment. And it wouldn't surprise me if it stretched down to the Primaries as well.
Bernies biggest wins came when a college kid's vote counted as 1300 people while someone that had to actually work that day be able to stand in line for a billion hours counted as zero.
Caucuses are all the problems of the electoral college, on steroids, plus bonus voter intimidation-lite since you have to show your vote publically. Thanks to my home state of Nebraska, we have perfectly clean examples of caucus vs secret ballot: not only did Hillary win the counties she lost in caucuses, she won the counties that are basically entirely composed of a college campus and some residents - who surprise - are more able to vote when they have all day to do it. And the Primary had higher turnout.
Yet America is now sitting with two record breakers of least popular presidential candidates.
Was Bernie really THAT unpopular by comparison?
No, I am not fully versed in how the entire American election system works, especially primaries, but I am also not a American citizen who have to personally experience this election, even though sadly it will affect my country in one way or another as everything USA does.
Was Bernie really THAT unpopular by comparison?
No, I am not fully versed in how the entire American election system works, especially primaries, but I am also not a American citizen who have to personally experience this election, even though sadly it will affect my country in one way or another as everything USA does.
Yet America is now sitting with two record breakers of least popular presidential candidates.
Was Bernie really THAT unpopular by comparison?
No, I am not fully versed in how the entire American election system works, especially primaries, but I am also not a American citizen who have to personally experience this election, even though sadly it will affect my country in one way or another as everything USA does.
"Trump/Clinton numbers are from April 2016. All other data are from October before that year’s election."
About this early Romney was the presumed next president for 2012 based off polls.
Yet America is now sitting with two record breakers of least popular presidential candidates.
Was Bernie really THAT unpopular by comparison?
No, I am not fully versed in how the entire American election system works, especially primaries, but I am also not a American citizen who have to personally experience this election, even though sadly it will affect my country in one way or another as everything USA does.
And? She can be unpopular and still be seen as the better candidate. Maybe if Bernie actually did something else instead of giving his played out stump speech about Bizillionairs and Mall St. for the past few months, he would have faired better.
SolicitorPirate
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The vitriol for Sanders by establishment democrats/die-hard Clinton supporters is bonkers. There are some who legitimately don't like his policies, which is obviously a valid stance.. but then there are those who just hate him because he wouldn't just give the nomination to Clinton months ago when the establishment had already decided months before that, that she was our candidate.
Can't speak for the Americans here, but the rest of the world gets pretty angry when an old idiot keeps lowering the already low level of political discourse in the world's most powerful and influential country, because conspiracy theories and self righteous anger are apparently better than letting go of his ego for a fucking second.
This might surprise you and many other people, but the primaries really don't matter that much. They just determine which jackass a party wants leading the ticket.No, I am not fully versed in how the entire American election system works, especially primaries, but I am also not a American citizen who have to personally experience this election, even though sadly it will affect my country in one way or another as everything USA does.
The actual elections, for President and for the many other politicians running our country, come November. The media might find the Republican circus and the like more exciting, but the general election is what really matters.
Yet America is now sitting with two record breakers of least popular presidential candidates.
Was Bernie really THAT unpopular by comparison?
No, I am not fully versed in how the entire American election system works, especially primaries, but I am also not a American citizen who have to personally experience this election, even though sadly it will affect my country in one way or another as everything USA does.
Bernie is actually quite popular, or else he wouldn't have done so well, relatively speaking, against Hillary. The problem is that it's a two party system, which encourages people to line up behind who they think is the most electable candidate in the general election. So while Bernie may be popular with Democrats, many Democrats voted in favor of Hillary believing that Bernie would fare worse against Trump in the general due to him calling himself a socialist. And for a bunch of other reasons as well - his inability to connect with many minority or older voters, his meltdown towards the end turning off potential voters in later states, problems with campaign messaging and lack of detailed policy proposals at times, etc. There's quite a lot of reasons he didn't win. Hillary won a lot of allegiance from various elements within the party but she also had a huge amount of people who were supporting her from the start simply because they wanted the more tested, battle hardened, and less risky candidate.
Trump won the GOP primary because it's a party full of white nationalists, racists, xenophobes, etc. He wouldn't have won if the party had been able to coalesce around Ted Cruz earlier on, but there were so many GOP contenders that it split the vote among the conservatives and let Trump's pseudo-fascist followers band together and plow through them. He will get stomped in the general because even though he's popular with a large segment of the GOP he is despised by the rest of the country.
Karsticles
Member
There's nothing new about Clinton, though. I doubt her approval will change much. Trump might...hopefully for the worse."Trump/Clinton numbers are from April 2016. All other data are from October before that years election."
About this early Romney was the presumed next president for 2012 based off polls.
RustyNails
Member
My hunch is that email nonsense is dragging her. Before it, her approval rating was in the 60s as Secretary of State. Once she gets clean chit from FBI I think she will bounce and in the immediate term, endorsement by a popular sitting president will no doubt help.There's nothing new about Clinton, though. I doubt her approval will change much. Trump might...hopefully for the worse.
Yes. He couldn't even beat Hillary. On 28 million votes, she has 16 million and he 12 million votes. Obama-Romney was a closer election.Was Bernie really THAT unpopular by comparison?
One would think hit pieces like this would stop coming after California.
It's amazing people are surprised that he "seems to have changed" when it coincides perfectly with the Clinton attack machine on record comments on attacking his character and lobbying this in the media. Is the plan to convince his base by trying to paint him as a crazy old man? Good luck with trying to disprove his 40 year track record against people that won't gulp down the media's bullshit because they can do research on their fucking phones.
It's amazing people are surprised that he "seems to have changed" when it coincides perfectly with the Clinton attack machine on record comments on attacking his character and lobbying this in the media. Is the plan to convince his base by trying to paint him as a crazy old man? Good luck with trying to disprove his 40 year track record against people that won't gulp down the media's bullshit because they can do research on their fucking phones.
But you can speak for the rest of the world?Can't speak for the Americans here, but the rest of the world gets pretty angry when an old idiot keeps lowering the already low level of political discourse in the world's most powerful and influential country, because conspiracy theories and self righteous anger are apparently better than letting go of his ego for a fucking second.
One would think hit pieces like this would stop coming after California.
It's amazing people are surprised that he "seems to have changed" when it coincides perfectly with the Clinton attack machine on record comments on attacking his character and lobbying this in the media. Is the plan to convince his base by trying to paint him as a crazy old man? Good luck with trying to disprove his 40 year track record against people that won't gulp down the media's bullshit because they can do research on their fucking phones.
But you can speak for the rest of the world?
It's a "hit piece" ghostwritten by Weaver and Devine, the heads of the Sanders campaign. They're quoted on the record. How can Clinton possibly be behind this? Did she threaten to Vince Foster them?
It also makes sense that the piece came out after California because Weaver and Devine can't exactly dump a bunch of leaks about how Bernie is crazy and then go back to work as if nothing happened.
EmpressInYellow
Banned
One would think hit pieces like this would stop coming after California.
It's amazing people are surprised that he "seems to have changed" when it coincides perfectly with the Clinton attack machine on record comments on attacking his character and lobbying this in the media. Is the plan to convince his base by trying to paint him as a crazy old man? Good luck with trying to disprove his 40 year track record against people that won't gulp down the media's bullshit because they can do research on their fucking phones.
The "Clinton attack machine" handled him with kid gloves.
If those mild attacks were enough to piss him off this much, then he was in no way ready for prime time anyway.
One would think hit pieces like this would stop coming after California.
It's amazing people are surprised that he "seems to have changed" when it coincides perfectly with the Clinton attack machine on record comments on attacking his character and lobbying this in the media. Is the plan to convince his base by trying to paint him as a crazy old man? Good luck with trying to disprove his 40 year track record against people that won't gulp down the media's bullshit because they can do research on their fucking phones.
But you can speak for the rest of the world?
Wait, how is this a Clinton hit piece if all of the info in this article is coming from within sanders team? I mean, We actually looked this up in our phones! D: Heck, it's pretty much in line with what Barney Frank was saying 20 years ago!
Wait, how is this a Clinton hit piece if all of the info in this article is coming from within sanders team? I mean, We actually looked this up in our phones! D: Heck, it's pretty much in line with what Barney Frank was saying 20 years ago!
Hillary was colluding with Frank to rig an election 25 years later.
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