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[Ionian]

Would you like having a child molester around your kids even when he's not molesting kids at that time?

WTF?

 

[Jaysen]

I tried, but you can't see what was posted.

It was some guy saying white pride is a good thing. And a bunch of dummies agreeing with it. As someone else said, why the hell would you be proud of the color of your skin? Do something worth a damn and be proud of that.

 

[The Hamburglar]

I've seen a "fuck cops" post in a threat regarding one of the recent shootings. What I was trying to express was, that we had very far left, pretty radical opinions as well.



Disagree. From my perspective, oftentimes "left leaning" posts have been far left, non rational comments. That got called out and challenged by multiple users. And those "left leaning" posters failed to defend their position in any rational way and bailed out.

I myself challenged many far left viewpoints, laying out my thought process and giving arguments. Never receiving any rational answer.

Strong arguments and rational thoughts prevail, even if someone gets dogpiled. Most of the time, these expressed opinions just didn't hold up to the challenge.

Saying 'Fuck the police' isn't some far left thinking; radical opinion; far left delusion. People of all political leanings say it.

Actually the dog pile did exist. Whenever you agree with NI or not he would get dog piled on. People in whatever thread he would post would attack him not his argument. You'd even have losers who've been here 5 minutes saying 'you always do this' how do these clowns known?

 

[IntentionalPun]

I like how you're level headed and only make logical statements based on solid evidence. I admire that in people.

Wow, thanks, I really appreciate it.

I like how genuine you are!

 

[ArtemisClydeFrog]

What exactly was political about TLOU2?

Trying to bait em into coming out and posting some bigoted shit, I see you

 

[DeepBreath87]

Saying 'Fuck the police' isn't some far left thinking; radical opinion; far left delusion.

Actually the dog pile did exist. Whenever you agree with NI or not he would get dog piled on. People in whatever thread he would post would attack him not his argument. You'd even have losers who've been here 5 minutes saying 'you always do this' how do these clowns known?

Dog piles always exist. The people most likely to respond to any take are going to be the people that disagree with it. And since there were a good amount of people on the right in politics, you had to realize going in that any lefty take would get harsh scrutiny. I always found NI's style to be very grating. I'm sure he'd say the same for mine. That's the nature of talking to people online that you disagree with. Doesn't mean he's a bad person. We just have contrasting ideas and styles.

See I think it's good for people to have interactions like that. You can learn to talk to people you don't get along with and still see them as human beings.

 

[Gold_Loot]

It was some guy saying white pride is a good thing. And a bunch of dummies agreeing with it. As someone else said, why the hell would you be proud of the color of your skin? Do something worth a damn and be proud of that.

I saw the post. I don't know. I read it as " being proud of who you are is NOT white supremacy" which personally I can agree with. We should all have pride in each other, not hate.

But then again , I don't have context to the situation.

 

[Rayven_king]

did somebody REEEEEE too much?

 

[Jaysen]

Saying 'Fuck the police' isn't some far left thinking; radical opinion; far left delusion. People of all political leanings say it.

Actually the dog pile did exist. Whenever you agree with NI or not he would get dog piled on. People in whatever thread he would post would attack him not his argument. You'd even have losers who've been here 5 minutes saying 'you always do this' how do these clowns known?

Amen. The people storming Congress were shouting fuck the police. Hating your oppressor isn't the purview of one party.

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

WTF?

Read on for context before you hit reply and do the 'yikes' response. It was an analogy. YIKES

 

[DeepBreath87]

Amen. The people storming Congress were shouting fuck the police. Hating your oppressor isn't the purview of one party.

There is a debate to be had about police in the US. We aren't having it in this country right now. That's all I can say without this getting political.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Read on for context before you hit reply and do the 'yikes' response. It was an analogy. YIKES

TBH if there was child molesters around my kids my first reaction would be "FUCK ME, I HAVE KIDS?"

 

[QSD]

The last thing I want to say about this is that the other forum I visit regularly (a music software forum) also has a very strict no politics rule, and the off-topic forum has been virtually uninhabited since. In the end (I'm gonna have to say it) we live in a society and sometimes people want to talk about stuff that occupies their mind, which often will have a political dimension. Covid policies, job search, housing market, etc etc etc. Even a topic about mental health like the one about depression in OT now has a political dimension of sorts. So yeah, this is gonna be another tough one to moderate.

 

[Reckheim]

Trying to bait em into coming out and posting some bigoted shit, I see you

I mean, having a lesbian lead and a trans kid in the game isn't 'political' (I'm assuming that's why they brought up TLOU).

not trying to bait anyone, just trying to understand where they are coming from.

 

[regawdless]

Actually the dog pile did exist. Whenever you agree with NI or not he would get dog piled on. People in whatever thread he would post would attack him not his argument. You'd even have losers who've been here 5 minutes saying 'you always do this' how do these clowns known?

Weird how something like that would just randomly happen without any reasons. I mean, he is known for his thoughtful, rational and well reasoned posts in these political discussions. He was also defending his viewpoints very well.

It remains a total mystery.


Let's not pretend like this happened all the time. It only happened with very dumb or controversial posts.

 

[Ionian]

Read on for context before you hit reply and do the 'yikes' response. It was an analogy. YIKES

Don't you dare explain it, don't even try.

Was reading the thread and your post made me think "WTF?".

Being serious, I've posted about the politics thread before. Clicked on a few time and just said 'no thanks' as it was American based. Just had no interest to me.

I have zero idea what was going on, then again if it was my own country I probably wouldn't either on a Vidya Game Website.

As for "yikes"? hahaha. What do they say on ERA, 'you ain't being slick?'

 

[PCS 7009]

I'd like to request an account closure. Thanks and bye.

 

[Diatribe1974]

It was a source of major friction and drama within the community. It was attracting the wrong type of people to GAF, and pushing away the right type of people. It was a nightmare to moderate. It was frequently an embarrassment to be associated with.

It's gone.

Nah dude, you should've just gone all banhammer is just nuked the problem people from orbit. I'd rather deal with the crazies as they pop up, but have conversation in general and occasionally enlighten some of the nutjobs, than to force them back underground, radicalizing them further.

 

[JLB]

fallout 4 is a legit good game. i didn't like it at first but the more i play it, the more i enjoy it. it's still not as good as 3 was but it's a lot better than it gets credit for

Definitely, I just started playing it due to the FPS boost and was a bit worried how well it aged. Its just amazing.

 

[Nester99]

A Right wing slanted 90s/00s culture style forum focused on video games and entertainment that allows political discussion and has Mod elections every 6month exists. It's a old Everquest guild website that survived. It was the top guild back in the day.

It's very right leaning so many of you will not like it. In fact some posts are straight up terrible. But it does exists. Game news is very slow so its no GAF that's for sure. but might scratch your bickering itch. I wont post the URL but if you really care PM me.

 

[Ichabod]

Holy shit @ that soy sauce post

Personally, I'm against the nuking. As a one stop shop clown world news aggregator, Politics was a fantastic addition to the site. Also, to me, it was the one part of the site that felt the most alive since the schism. I'd often see stories pop up there hours before they hit my reddit feed.

With all the censorship and deplatforming lately, the internet needs more speakeasies, not less.

 

[nush]

Nah dude, you should've just gone all banhammer is just nuked the problem people from orbit. I'd rather deal with the crazies as they pop up, but have conversation in general and occasionally enlighten some of the nutjobs, than to force them back underground, radicalizing them further.

That was tried with the no conspiracy theory topics rule. It didn't work.

 

[Jaysen]

fallout 4 is a legit good game. i didn't like it at first but the more i play it, the more i enjoy it. it's still not as good as 3 was but it's a lot better than it gets credit for

Can it be played without doing any base building? That's the part that turned me off In previews.

 

[Jon Neu]

and you could tell some posters where clearly racist

Trying to bait em into coming out and posting some bigoted shit, I see you

Lev is a girl.

There you have it.

 

[TheContact]

Nah dude, you should've just gone all banhammer is just nuked the problem people from orbit. I'd rather deal with the crazies as they pop up, but have conversation in general and occasionally enlighten some of the nutjobs, than to force them back underground, radicalizing them further.

 

[Peggies]

Nah dude, you should've just gone all banhammer is just nuked the problem people from orbit. I'd rather deal with the crazies as they pop up, but have conversation in general and occasionally enlighten some of the nutjobs, than to force them back underground, radicalizing them further.

Couldn't read what you were saying because your avatar is so damn cute.

 

[joe_zazen]

I do wonder what the politics only members of this board will do now. We had a number of them on either side of the aisle. Are you guys going to stick around?

off topic has a couple of threads and good eggs, so yeah. but it wont be as much fun.

politics wasnt a money spinner and attracted legit hate-types which meant it could easily have become a NYT 'hate in gaming' focus. imagine being the owner of a site and seeing your name in that kind if thing. so cost/benefit made it not viable unsurprisingly.

not much into vgames anymore, so i only drop in there to scratch my head at who i used to be.

 

[TheContact]

Can it be played without doing any base building? That's the part that turned me off In previews.

some story missions require you build things in certain towns but for the most part you can skip base building

 

[DeepBreath87]

off topic has a couple of threads and good eggs, so yeah. but it wont be as much fun.

politics wasnt a money spinner and attracted legit hate-types which meant it could easily have become a NYT 'hate in gaming' focus. imagine being the owner of a site and seeing your name in that kind if thing. so cost/benefit made it not viable unsurprisingly.

not much into vgames anymore, so i only drop in there to scratch my head at who i used to be.

Yeah. I'll be around but not as consistently. Which is fine. I can make a more productive use of that time elsewhere. This thread will be one of the last ones I post actively like I am right now, unless something really peaks my interest. Otherwise, I'll just keep up with general gaming news and post infrequently.

In reference to The NY Times thing, I always imagined that my response to something like that would be "I just let people talk, I'm not interested in taking any responsibility for what their opinions are." Unless what they're saying is illegal, obviously. But I've never been put in that kind of position.

 

[Humdinger]

The last thing I want to say about this is that the other forum I visit regularly (a music software forum) also has a very strict no politics rule, and the off-topic forum has been virtually uninhabited since. In the end (I'm gonna have to say it) we live in a society and sometimes people want to talk about stuff that occupies their mind, which often will have a political dimension. Covid policies, job search, housing market, etc etc etc. Even a topic about mental health like the one about depression in OT now has a political dimension of sorts. So yeah, this is gonna be another tough one to moderate.

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how the lines get drawn. It's hard to keep politics completely out of any forum, especially these days.

I'm a member of another forum, where they disallow any political discussion. It works pretty well over there, although it's an older and more "mature" group of people (focus is early retirement), and the forum was set up from the beginning to be a politics-free "play nice" zone.

However, it's not the same here. GAF has a long history of heated political discussion, so the norms have been set in the other direction. It will be a challenge for the mods to enforce new norms and to choose where to draw the lines. Especially with gamers, who tend to be an anti-authoritarian, unruly bunch.

 

[Raven117]

Off Topic is way more fun anyway.

 

[BadBurger]

The politics forum had far too many thinly-veiled racists parading under the banner of free speech. In the end, the forum followed the same trajectory of other recent conservative strongholds, careening headlong into dissolution. Sooner or later, that leopard will eat your face. Good riddance.

It wasn't just the barely opaque racists. Up until the last minute it was still very common to see a good number of posters subtly supporting far-right conspiracy theories (that the election was fraudulent, legitimate sources of journalism are "fake news", etc), expressing anti-scientific beliefs, linking to alt-right sources, or even outright posting tweets from alt-right figures as if they should be taken seriously.

And of course there was the naked aggression anyone perceived to be liberal would regularly receive. It even bled out into other conversations, with many of the conservative posters hounding liberals in completely unrelated topics, @'n them with attempts to provoke them, etc. Really, right there at the end, if someone who was unfamiliar with GAF had visited and browsed through Politics it was almost indistinguishable from something like the comments section of a Fox Nation article.

While I was heavily active there in the lead-up to the election and the weeks following Jan 6th, I won't miss it. As you mentioned, the trajectory it was heading was heading was clear.

 

[Gifmaker]

Politics are increasingly intruding into every aspect of life. They've become a weapon forged to divide people further and further.

With today's decision, GAF has made a stand that it will not accept this intrusion anymore: until here and not any further.
This is a gaming forum. It's meant to bring people together. Let's share our hobby and not let us be divided over who we think should or should not be granted to rule over a ridiculous number of people. When launching a gaming forum, you are not signing up for babysitting people over their petty political issues.

Fuck politics. There's more to life than drama and shit. Let's play some damn games.

 

[Jaysen]

Yeah. I'll be around but not as consistently. Which is fine. I can make a more productive use of that time elsewhere. This thread will be one of the last ones I post actively like I am right now, unless something really peaks my interest. Otherwise, I'll just keep up with general gaming news and post infrequently.

In reference to The NY Times thing, I always imagined that my response to something like that would be "I just let people talk, I'm not interested in taking any responsibility for what their opinions are." Unless what they're saying is illegal, obviously. But I've never been put in that kind of position.

Piques your interest. Now instead of fighting about politics, people can fight over words and grammar choices.

 

[Shmunter]

off topic has a couple of threads and good eggs, so yeah. but it wont be as much fun.

politics wasnt a money spinner and attracted legit hate-types which meant it could easily have become a NYT 'hate in gaming' focus. imagine being the owner of a site and seeing your name in that kind if thing. so cost/benefit made it not viable unsurprisingly.

not much into vgames anymore, so i only drop in there to scratch my head at who i used to be.

Man, people's definition of hate is really getting watered down in culture huh?

We really need to define terms these days upfront like a contract. Is rationally discussing that Chauven may have had a case to walk....Hate? or are we referring to genuine hateful and spiteful rhetoric like by far leftists talking about cops or people they deem as not woke enough?

Because we need to work on equal measures to compare.

 

[Jon Neu]

politics wasnt a money spinner and attracted legit hate-types which meant it could easily have become a NYT 'hate in gaming' focus. imagine being the owner of a site and seeing your name in that kind if thing. so cost/benefit made it not viable unsurprisingly.

Basically this.

In this over sensitive & cancel culture society we live in, there's not much needed to make a story that can literally destroy the entire site and give real problems to Evilore IRL. Everybody wants to champion free speech, but most people facing that threat would choose self-preservation too.

 

[Shmunter]

Politics are increasingly intruding into every aspect of life. They've become a weapon forged to divide people further and further.

With today's decision, GAF has made a stand that it will not accept this intrusion anymore: until here and not any further.
This is a gaming forum. It's meant to bring people together. Let's share our hobby and not let us be divided over who we think should or should not be granted to rule over a ridiculous number of people. When launching a gaming forum, you are not signing up for babysitting people over their petty political issues.

Fuck politics. There's more to life than drama and shit. Let's play some damn games.

You know what brought people together also? Having a disagreement in politics on ideology, then having a completely chummy chat about a game we are both enjoying in the gaming side.

Or vice versa, having a boisterous and annoying console war in gaming, coming together on not enough gay mardigras latest CNN headline in Politics

 

[ManofOne]

off topic has a couple of threads and good eggs, so yeah. but it wont be as much fun.

politics wasnt a money spinner and attracted legit hate-types which meant it could easily have become a NYT 'hate in gaming' focus. imagine being the owner of a site and seeing your name in that kind if thing. so cost/benefit made it not viable unsurprisingly.

not much into vgames anymore, so i only drop in there to scratch my head at who i used to be.

you still have me zaza

 

[crazepharmacist]

I went into a thread with news of a black man attacking an asian woman and I said that it is sad to see how Trumps rhetoric fueled anti asian/china hate and my post was deleted.

It was an echo chamber, but those that were are screaming the loudest in it obviously didn't see it.

Was there a reason given by the moderator? It was just outright deleted, no ban or anything?

 

[funkygunther]

You know what brought people together also? Having a disagreement in politics on ideology, then having a completely chummy chat about a game we are both enjoying in the gaming side.

even in this weird hypothetical it was the chat about the game that brought them together

 

[ManofOne]

Basically this.

In this over sensitive & cancel culture society we live in, there's not much needed to make a story that can literally destroy the entire site and give real problems to Evilore IRL. Everybody wants to champion free speech, but most people facing that threat would choose self-preservation too.

Personally you can cancel anyone on anything, we've seen straight up lies by media with thin sourcing. However, I don't see a site with 500 recurrent users being the next headline on NYT. I do agree with your self preservation argument.

 

[Shrap]

Some people don't realise how many other communities keep tabs on this place and interject to stir the pot. Kiwifarms is a big one.

I also know quite a few posters on here that are members of these other communities. They speak freely about their more extreme political positions outside of neogaf and try to sneak them in here.

 

[DeepBreath87]

Piques your interest. Now instead of fighting about politics, people can fight over words and grammar choices.

Nazi! Correcting my grammar is a symptom of white supremacy!

 

[DeepEnigma]

Good thing to have the politics section removed when the liars now come out and accuse everyone in that section of being racists, far-right and all this crap. You know you are lying and hide behind "uh oh no politcs allowed now, so don't call me out".

The Overton always tries to revision history, even if it's a mere 12 hours old.