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bucyou said:
literally checking out the ban page thread and clicking on post to see what those heathens said only for it to lead to politics forum which leads to an invalid link


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I really want to know what the spartan dude said
 
Hatemachine said:
Probably for the best. Problem is though, politics bleed into just about everything in modern culture. I'm not sure deleting the forum eliminates the issue.
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Politics doesn't have to bleed into everything everywhere though, that's just something people (and companies) do. For example, I can enjoy Ender's Game without diving into the author's political ideals and how crazy they might be. Some people say that makes me some sort of -ist. I don't really care what other people think of me though. If I wanted to, I should be able to talk about the book itself without it being dragged through all of the drama.

You have sites like REEEE banning any talk about the upcoming Harry Potter game, just because of JK Rowling's hot takes. It seems like ResurrectedContrarian ResurrectedContrarian wants to bring that mindset here too, which I personally think would be a mistake. Turns out - we can talk about the upcoming Harry Potter game (or our thoughts on the books / movies / etc.) without getting political, despite the mainstream narrative telling you that these are political issues now. They're not. These things aren't political, but people just keep trying to constantly inject politics into them.
 
It was started with good intentions but as things progressed it just went off the deep end. As has been said, this is probably for the best.
 
EviLore said:
It was a source of major friction and drama within the community. It was attracting the wrong type of people to GAF, and pushing away the right type of people. It was a nightmare to moderate. It was frequently an embarrassment to be associated with.

It's gone.
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Can't blame you.
 
ERMint13 said:
Most of the names I see here saying good riddance I never saw in the forum.

There was some healthy and unhealthy convo's there. I don't like it being removed but I understand the few crazies made it a liability.
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With the way politics seems to be going right now I think it will be an obvious move like a year from now. People are only getting more and more into the idea of doxxing people. I'm expecting in the near future we will see a waves of people getting doxxed in politics gaming forums, and lawsuits ensuing afterwards. What if Neogaf gets hacked and then journalists start doing stories on people for their internet posts and start trying to get them fired?


I've posted in several other gaming forums that had a politics section, and at least one of them I left the website after 10 or so years of being on it, because it became incredibly toxic.


I also expect articles bashing anyone who runs a website where the political discussion is too spicy. I think at this point it's a pretty big liability to have political discussions on your website.
 
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jshackles said:
It seems like ResurrectedContrarian ResurrectedContrarian wants to bring that mindset here too, which I personally think would be a mistake.
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I don't want that. But I was making a point that it's an unworkable solution to let the games themselves be heavily politicized (and they are, sadly) but somehow prevent anyone from responding to that in the forum. It would be better for politicized games not to be discussed here at all, than to have to pretend we dislike the game due to its framerate rather than its overt messaging.
 
DigitalAddiction said:
What will Nobody_Important Nobody_Important do now?
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Probably post in Off Topic and Gaming. Maybe see if there is a Warhammer community active.


There is more to life than politics man.
Schattenjäger said:
i enjoyed sparring with Nobody_Important Nobody_Important .. hopefully he's interested in things besides politics
without a dedicated forum, it will be tough to keep it out of other threads.
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Oh yeah. Loads of stuff. I'm actually looking forward to the change of pace now that I think of it.
 
Good move.
Shit was getting weird lately, and the body count kept rising but for good reasons since people would spout off some real nonsense which you don't want associated with this place.
 
TrainedRage said:
Could they not be banned? Why let a few bad actors ruin such a great part of this site? Why alienate all the other users in politics because some dumb asses can't get over race?
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Lately there have been some instances where you'll have a racist statement/tirade but then would get a large ammount of positive reinforcement through the 'Like' feature.
Not a good look.
 
jshackles said:
Politics doesn't have to bleed into everything everywhere though, that's just something people (and companies) do. For example, I can enjoy Ender's Game without diving into the author's political ideals and how crazy they might be. Some people say that makes me some sort of -ist. I don't really care what other people think of me though. If I wanted to, I should be able to talk about the book itself without it being dragged through all of the drama.

You have sites like REEEE banning any talk about the upcoming Harry Potter game, just because of JK Rowling's hot takes. It seems like ResurrectedContrarian ResurrectedContrarian wants to bring that mindset here too, which I personally think would be a mistake. Turns out - we can talk about the upcoming Harry Potter game (or our thoughts on the books / movies / etc.) without getting political, despite the mainstream narrative telling you that these are political issues now. They're not. These things aren't political, but people just keep trying to constantly inject politics into them.
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It's becoming hard not to talk about politics in gaming when gaming (and, more globally, entertainment) companies are now using politics as a major selling point. I enjoyed gaming without heavy handed politics a lot more, but it's not the world we live in anymore.
 
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I would offer the idea that a general politics board works fine with the right group. Here and ERA attract too many argumentative people who come to make a point or fight the good fight. Meanwhile, some other gaming sites I use that have less activity have perfectly peaceful politics forums full of folk who treat the whole thing more like a news board. "Hey, this happened" and "I can see this being a good/bad".
 
jshackles said:
Politics doesn't have to bleed into everything everywhere though, that's just something people (and companies) do. For example, I can enjoy Ender's Game without diving into the author's political ideals and how crazy they might be. Some people say that makes me some sort of -ist. I don't really care what other people think of me though. If I wanted to, I should be able to talk about the book itself without it being dragged through all of the drama.

You have sites like REEEE banning any talk about the upcoming Harry Potter game, just because of JK Rowling's hot takes. It seems like ResurrectedContrarian ResurrectedContrarian wants to bring that mindset here too, which I personally think would be a mistake. Turns out - we can talk about the upcoming Harry Potter game (or our thoughts on the books / movies / etc.) without getting political, despite the mainstream narrative telling you that these are political issues now. They're not. These things aren't political, but people just keep trying to constantly inject politics into them.
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So to give a counter example, how would you discuss Falcon vs. Winter Soldier without getting into the territory of modern politics? The show's plot explicitly deals with racism which is intrinsically linked with the political debate in our country.
 
bob_mugabe said:
It's becoming hard not to talk about politics in gaming when gaming (and, more globally, entertainment) companies are now using politics as a major selling point. I enjoyed gaming without heavy handed politics a lot more, but it's not the world we live in anymore;
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I think there is a very much a difference between 'Politics in Videogames' and the type of drama that was happening in the Politics section.
The stuff in the Politics section is kind of on the same level with the crap you've seen on another, unnamed, site.
If anything discussing the actual 'Politics in Videogames' is more interesting than straight up politics or the other type of 'politics' in videogames.
 
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EviLore EviLore - Can we have some ground rules on what can and cannot be posted on Off-topic now?

I think we can all take a break from police shootings.. but what about other stuff?

Congress passes a new bill that affects many of us -- can someone post about it?

Trump releases a new social media platform - can someone post about it?
 
TrainedRage said:
Could they not be banned? Why let a few bad actors ruin such a great part of this site? Why alienate all the other users in politics because some dumb asses can't get over race?
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Have you seen the ban page? The majority of the bans in the last few months came from the Politics section. All that effort and attention from the staff can be better spent elsewhere improving other parts of the forum. I'm sure EviLore EviLore and the rest of the staff have ideas that can now be better implemented now that they have freed up some of their attention.


And let's be real it wasn't really much of a "discussion" in the first place. It was a two sided shouting match where each side tried to outdo the other. What made it worse is neither side believed the sources of information that the other used. So you couldn't even back up arguments without either side calling into question the validity of the source.


The politics sections stopped being about discussion a long time in my opinion.
 
ResurrectedContrarian said:
I don't want that. But I was making a point that it's an unworkable solution to let the games themselves be heavily politicized (and they are, sadly) but somehow prevent anyone from responding to that in the forum. It would be better for politicized games not to be discussed here at all, than to have to pretend we dislike the game due to its framerate rather than its overt messaging.
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I don't understand. Basically you are saying we aren't allowed a thread for The Last of Us 3, because the game will attract political discussion. And when I take issue with a game because of "politics", I can't say that, but have to say "I don't like the game's framerate" as a code? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

And all of that doesn't really have anything to do with closing a whole, non gaming related, subforum that has become an annoyance for the site's staff.
 
It's about time. I said this should happen weeks ago. Hopefully all the bad eggs will leave now, those that never posted anywhere else.
 
Nobody_Important said:
Have you seen the ban page? The majority of the bans in the last few months came from the Politics section. All that effort and attention from the staff can be better spent elsewhere improving other parts of the forum. I'm sure EviLore EviLore and the rest of the staff have ideas that can now be better implemented now that they have freed up some of their attention.


And let's be real it wasn't really much of a "discussion" in the first place. It was a two sided shouting match where each side tried to outdo the other. What made it worse is neither side believed the sources of information that the other used. So you couldn't even back up arguments without either side calling into question the validity of the source.


The politics sections stopped being about discussion a long time in my opinion.
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I look forward to seeing all these great changes to the site because the mods have more time!

Then why did you exclusively post in politics? You're saying you were part of the problem?
 
Patrick S. said:
I don't understand. Basically you are saying we aren't allowed a thread for The Last of Us 3, because the game will attract political discussion. And when I take issue with a game because of "politics", I can't say that, but have to say "I don't like the game's framerate" as a code? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
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I'm saying that TLOU3 will probably have heavy political messaging at the core of the game--that's pretty much guaranteed with its developers. So... how are we supposed to discuss a game like that one here? The joke about framerate isn't a "code," it's to say that it will be very weird discussing only certain aspects of a game while pretending not to see its heavy-handed political elements which may be at the very core of the game's narrative... so what is left to discuss in those cases?
 
ResurrectedContrarian said:
I'm saying that TLOU3 will probably have heavy political messaging at the core of the game--that's pretty much guaranteed with its developers. So... how are we supposed to discuss a game like that one here? The joke about framerate isn't a "code," it's to say that it will be very weird discussing only certain aspects of a game while pretending not to see its heavy-handed political elements which may be at the very core of the game's narrative... so what is left to discuss in those cases?
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Well it can be tangent of the natural discussion I guess, and if the people in that thread become obnoxious, the mods can still give them warnings/the boot.
 
TrainedRage said:
Could they not be banned? Why let a few bad actors ruin such a great part of this site? Why alienate all the other users in politics because some dumb asses can't get over race?
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They were banned. You can see the ban list for yourself because Neogaf is more transparent than other sites. It's just a major problem when people are focused on getting themselves worked up into a froth, they want to be outraged, instead of discussing the particulars of the issue in an intelligent way. And recent events have been a lightning rod for people's racial tensions to come out.

I think also, from what I've seen, there's been some who post with a level of malicious apathy toward others (in the news or other users) that isn't conducive to intelligent discussion. It's a shame but it does feel a long time coming.
 
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ResurrectedContrarian said:
I'm saying that TLOU3 will probably have heavy political messaging at the core of the game--that's pretty much guaranteed with its developers. So... how are we supposed to discuss a game like that one here? The joke about framerate isn't a "code," it's to say that it will be very weird discussing only certain aspects of a game while pretending not to see its heavy-handed political elements which may be at the very core of the game's narrative... so what is left to discuss in those cases?
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Just agree with said game's political message and there won't be a problem
 
Noncanon Ship said:
They were banned. You can see the ban list for yourself because Neogaf is more transparent than other sites. It's just a major problem when people are focused on getting themselves worked up into a froth, they want to be outraged, instead of discussing the particulars of the issue in an intelligent way. And recent events have been a lightning rod for people's racial tensions to come out.

I think also, from what I've seen, there's been some who post with a level of malicious apathy toward others (in the news or other users) that isn't conducive to intelligent discussion. It's a shame but it does feel a long time coming.
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Kinda like Nintendo fanboys?
 
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