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If anyone knows of any other sites out there with various news articles and viewpoints please hit me up and let me know.

Reddit is a fuckin dump so that one is out of the question.
 
EviLore said:
It was a source of major friction and drama within the community. It was attracting the wrong type of people to GAF, and pushing away the right type of people. It was a nightmare to moderate. It was frequently an embarrassment to be associated with.

It's gone.
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I never visited but it sounds like you had the next Twitter competitor on your hands! Good call.
 
HotPocket69 said:
If anyone knows of any other sites out there with various news articles and viewpoints please hit me up and let me know.

Reddit is a fuckin dump so that one is out of the question.
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Something Awful is super one-sided and you gotta pay to get in, but there's enough irreverence in that you won't get banned easily for harmless ribbing in "serious" topics.
 
The 'problem' with politics boards in general, is that left to their own devices they will naturally lean anti woke, anti SJW, anti identity politics, etc because those are majority positions.
 
HotPocket69 said:
If anyone knows of any other sites out there with various news articles and viewpoints please hit me up and let me know.

Reddit is a fuckin dump so that one is out of the question.
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Would like to know as well. Not interested in one sided places. But places where highly varying viewpoints are allowed are hard to find.

I thought it was very well moderated here. I still respect the decision.
 
thegame983 said:
The 'problem' with politics boards in general, is that left to their own devices they will naturally lean anti woke, anti SJW, anti identity politics, etc because those are majority positions.
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Conflating the propensity for trolls to run rampant in unmoderated environments, with what the majority in a society think it's part of what leads to the toxic circle jerks. But believe what you want.
 
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ManofOne said:
What is U.S conservative view point? Calling out hypocrisy, media lies, woke culture, political pandering? B/c that basically what I saw mostly on politics. Any sane person would argue against those things.
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Wow, you guys are pratically the political version of the Avengers!
 
Glad it's gone. Right now USA is a shit show and working at a news station during this is depressing as all hell. I come to gaf for game news, and things not associated with the shit going on in my country.

Right now even large news outlets are literally bending the knee in what they report/show. It's fucking horrible. Like the current story of the girl who was shot that was going to stab someone. They didn't show all of the clip showing the officer telling the assailant to stop, drop the knife. Instead they showed just the clip of the officer shooting.

And didn't show the later footage of the woman who was saved talking to the officer.

CNN actually showed it in it's entirety.

Also lower thirds in a newscast when you put the story headline/description you put it in once when you have your info confirmed. Then make changes after if story info gets updated by source, you don't update on the fly during a fucking newscast.

Literally watched that happen last night on a station from that state.

It's so fucked. So im glad politics was nuked.
 
Politics was slowing down anyway, and we're probably going to have the same kind of news the next three years. I always said "the truth is usually somewhere in the middle," but it was becoming harder to do that here. EviLore EviLore I support your decision for the simple fact where if the board is not bringing people together, it's not worth it.
 
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regawdless said:
I don't see anything bad in trying to come closer to the truth in this complex and weird world. As long as one is open to new ideas and to reason.
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No, I don't see anything bad in that either. It's just that I haven't seen that happening in there.

The word "truth" itself is problem here. Discussing who is wrong and who is right., what's good and what's bad doesn't help in finding anything.

(Especially for you, my friend: Wir sind ja nicht "Die drei Fragezeichen" :messenger_winking:)
 
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I do find it odd that people who I remember posting in the politics forum are happy to see it gone. Why were you posting there if you wanted it to be gone? I find that curious to say the least.
 
Peggies said:
No, I don't see anything bad in that either. It's just that I haven't seen that happening in there.

The word "truth" itself is problem here. Discussing who is wrong and who is right., what's good and what's bad don't help in finding anything.

(Especially for you, my friend: Wir sind ja nicht "Die drei Fragezeichen" :messenger_winking:)
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That's why I said "closer to the truth". But you're right, the more complex a topic gets, the less likely it is that there is one objective truth.

The world is full of lies and manipulation, and for me personally, there is a lot of value in discussing these things to get a better understanding. The exchange of more or less different ideas and thoughts in itself causes conflicts - and I see that as a positive friction.

At least I highly prefer it to people staying in mental safe spaces without being challenged.
 
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thegame983 said:
The 'problem' with politics boards in general, is that left to their own devices they will naturally lean anti woke, anti SJW, anti identity politics, etc because those are majority positions.
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I understand how you come to this opinion, but "woke" is not a majority position. It is, however, the most visible opinion at the moment and, above all, it is the most emotionally comprehensible opinion for everyone, because you don't need any prior knowledge to act emotionally or to understand emotions (that's biology).

Whether it is also the "best" opinion, that is a completely different topic. In my eyes, "woke" is a very powerful form of populism. And as is typical for populism, it has an enormous pull effect because it offers simple solutions without taking into account the complexity of the problem. It's not always bad, but it's not always good either.
 
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Ack come on it was a right leaning echo chamber of a place that made fox news look impartial, glad it's gone even though I loved to dip my toes in and rile up the cunts besides this site has some fantastic posters and great posts and the last thing it needs is a fecking politics forum filled with constant negativities bringing the whole place down
 
Where can I discuss my hate of different types of races ? I Can't really stand the steeplechase. More of slow jogger myself, ok really slow.
Ultra marathon runners scare me.
 
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betrayal said:
I understand how you come to this opinion, but "woke" is not a majority position. It is, however, the most visible opinion at the moment and, above all, it is the most emotionally comprehensible opinion for everyone, because you don't need any prior knowledge to act emotionally or to understand emotions (that's biology).

Whether it is also the "best" opinion, that is a completely different topic. In my eyes, "woke" is a very powerful form of populism. And as is typical for populism, it has an enormous pull effect because it offers simple solutions without taking into account the complexity of the problem. It's not always bad, but it's not always good either.
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Apologies, not my meaning.

'Anti-woke' is the majority position. The majority hate that toxic ideology. that's why politics boards tend to lean that way. The only way to correct this wrong think is through heavy moderation.
 
regawdless said:
Would like to know as well. Not interested in one sided places. But places where highly varying viewpoints are allowed are hard to find.

I thought it was very well moderated here. I still respect the decision.
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It's Evilore's forum, and I can't imagine it was easy to moderate. Can't say I blame him honestly.

That being said... interesting political forums that aren't a complete shit show that has a well balanced differing of opinions doesn't exist on it's own. Forums specifically for political discussion are either created to support a specific party from the get go, or are adopted by a singular group of people. Create a forum for somewhat civil discourse, with varying ideas and opinions, and it will be quickly taken over by either one party or the other. Typically the moderators are usually former forum users themselves, so they ultimately end up be of the same ilk. Pretty much making it impossible to have any contrasting opinions or discussion.

Oddly enough, in order to find civil discourse about politics, it really has to be at a forum that's predominantly focused on another subject altogether. Like GAF. People don't come here for the political discussion for the most part, because it's primarily a gaming forum. So those that ultimately end up in the politics forum were led there by alternate means. Thus creating an environment that consisted of several opinions and ideas.

I know it's weird, but it's true. If you're looking for a good forum to discuss politics, the absolute last place you'll find it is on any forum primarily focused on politics.
 
Papacheeks said:
Glad it's gone. Right now USA is a shit show and working at a news station during this is depressing as all hell. I come to gaf for game news, and things not associated with the shit going on in my country.

Right now even large news outlets are literally bending the knee in what they report/show. It's fucking horrible. Like the current story of the girl who was shot that was going to stab someone. They didn't show all of the clip showing the officer telling the assailant to stop, drop the knife. Instead they showed just the clip of the officer shooting.

And didn't show the later footage of the woman who was saved talking to the officer.

CNN actually showed it in it's entirety.

Also lower thirds in a newscast when you put the story headline/description you put it in once when you have your info confirmed. Then make changes after if story info gets updated by source, you don't update on the fly during a fucking newscast.

Literally watched that happen last night on a station from that state.

It's so fucked. So im glad politics was nuked.
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We had a thread on this topic. Because of it, I watched the video in its entirety and realized that cop saved a woman's life. Now that the section is nuked, it's going to be hard getting the full context on newstories like this. If this happened prior to that incident, I may still have believed that officer was in the wrong.
 
KOS MOS said:
There is only one other thing I wish Gaf did and that's give each game it's own board like gamefaqs. Easier to find topics I want to see without having to sift through hundreds of pages.
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Yeah, I've always wanted something like this or even just tags so I can easily find all threads made about returnal for example.
 
RJMacready73 said:
Ack come on it was a right leaning echo chamber of a place that made fox news look impartial, glad it's gone even though I loved to dip my toes in and rile up the cunts besides this site has some fantastic posters and great posts and the last thing it needs is a fecking politics forum filled with constant negativities bringing the whole place down
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It definitely was not an echo-chamber. Majority leaned right but I can name multiple users off the top of my head right now who were hardcore leftists on EVERY issue and chimed in on EVERY topic. Did the moderators ban them? No. They fostered great discussion.

Would I be banned for voicing even a slightly right leaning opinion on Resetera? Of course I would.

Neogaf politics section was a great place for discussion and I'm sad to see it's gone.
 
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regawdless said:
Curious if only people who leaned to far to the right have been the issue, or if the extreme left people writing stuff like "fuck cops" etc. have been seen as problematic as well.
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Well since it's nuked we can't look but there were no 'acab ' or 'fuck the cops' post constantly. So not sure where you got that from. The odd poster said Derek was a murderer who deserved death but that was specific to that thread.
 
regawdless said:
That's why I said "closer to the truth". But you're right, the more complex a topic gets, the less likely it is that there is one objective truth.

The world is full of lies and manipulation, and for me personally, there is a lot of value in discussing these things to get a better understanding. The exchange of more or less different ideas and thoughts in itself causes conflicts - and I see that as a positive friction.

At least I highly prefer it to people staying in mental safe spaces without being challenged.
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reasonable discussions were few and far between overall. it was mostly just dogpiling against people who lean left. and a lot of terrible threads that seemed to echo tucker carlson's exact monologue while they claimed to be objective thinkers. the trans threads were just the worst, especially that one where they just shit on people for being happy for transitioning. look how many people were banned after the capitol riots and still pushed the big lie and Q afterwards. look at the amount of people banned for supporting white supremacy. while the overall numbers of that evil are miniscule in comparison to everyone else that's here, you have to wonder why they are even here in the first place and it's likely because they feel safe here because the overall political viewpoint of neogaf was very right wing. most of the threads created weren't looking to engage in any kind of reasonable discussion it was wholly anti-liberal.

the argument for not nuking it was that it would bleed over into other sections--i think EL acknowledged that, but it's still the right decision to nuke it and just take care of the isolated incidents that do start to bleed politics into other threads. at first, it may be difficult to moderate, but not nearly as much as it is to moderate an entire subforum, and as the rules become established, the occurrences will be less and less.

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Curious if only people who leaned to far to the right have been the issue, or if the extreme left people writing stuff like "fuck cops" etc. have been seen as problematic as well.
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a good example of why there wasn't reasonable discussions. i lean left politically and acab and fuck the cops bothers me, but what you're doing is creating a strawman because it was very rare to see someone say that here, and there's also a big difference between saying acab and white supremacist rhetoric. there were very few, if any, "far left" people here. there were plenty of "far right" people here (objectively...banned for it)
 
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MastaKiiLA said:
The politics forum had far too many thinly-veiled racists parading under the banner of free speech. In the end, the forum followed the same trajectory of other recent conservative strongholds, careening headlong into dissolution. Sooner or later, that leopard will eat your face. Good riddance.
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Good thing to have the politics section removed when the liars now come out and accuse everyone in that section of being racists, far-right and all this crap. You know you are lying and hide behind "uh oh no politcs allowed now, so don't call me out".
 
crazepharmacist said:
It definitely was not an echo-chamber. Majority leaned right but I can name multiple users off the top of my head right now who were hardcore leftists on EVERY issue and chimed in on EVERY topic. Did the moderators ban them? No. They fostered great discussion.

Would I be banned for voicing even a slightly right leaning opinion on Resetera? Of course I would.

Neogaf politics section was a great place for discussion and I'm sad to see it's gone.
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I went into a thread with news of a black man attacking an asian woman and I said that it is sad to see how Trumps rhetoric fueled anti asian/china hate and my post was deleted.

It was an echo chamber, but those that were are screaming the loudest in it obviously didn't see it.
 
STARSBarry said:
To be fair it was a terrible subforum.

Its rational decisions like this that made me start subbing gold.
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Serious question.

Do you lack the self control to not visit the subforum or do you just feel that since you disagreed with it, no one should have access to it?




these takes are something else lol
 
This video i watched this morning really describes politics these days and kind of touches on why the politics section had to be shut down here.
 
Lets nuke this thread now too, fuck politics. Discuss it or not, it won't change fuck all in whichever country you're in, it'll just create forum friction between you & those who vote for the 'other' party.
 
bucyou said:
Serious question.

Do you lack the self control to not visit the subforum or do you just feel that since you disagreed with it, no one should have access to it?




these takes are something else lol
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politics was bringing down the entire site. if you like neogaf, even if you disagree with the decision, you should support it. that take is perfectly reasonable as well
 
The Hamburglar said:
Well since it's nuked we can't look but there were no 'acab ' or 'fuck the cops' post constantly. So not sure where you got that from. The odd poster said Derek was a murderer who deserved death but that was specific to that thread.
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I've seen a "fuck cops" post in a threat regarding one of the recent shootings. What I was trying to express was, that we had very far left, pretty radical opinions as well.

TheContact said:
reasonable discussions were few and far between overall. it was mostly just dogpiling against people who lean left.
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Disagree. From my perspective, oftentimes "left leaning" posts have been far left, non rational comments. That got called out and challenged by multiple users. And those "left leaning" posters failed to defend their position in any rational way and bailed out.

I myself challenged many far left viewpoints, laying out my thought process and giving arguments. Never receiving any rational answer.

Strong arguments and rational thoughts prevail, even if someone gets dogpiled. Most of the time, these expressed opinions just didn't hold up to the challenge.
 
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Happy to provide unvolountary comedy i guess :lollipop_grinning_sweat:
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the simpsons me fail english thats unpossible GIF
 
EviLore said:
It was a source of major friction and drama within the community. It was attracting the wrong type of people to GAF, and pushing away the right type of people. It was a nightmare to moderate. It was frequently an embarrassment to be associated with.

It's gone.
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Politics has become a device by which the absolute worst of people tends to be brought out, people who are likely otherwise very pleasant and happy. I know there is potential utility in discussing political issues that might be lost here, but I think removing the forum altogether brings a tremendous net gain.

Thank you for helping keep this place about games, which is altogether wholesome
 
TheContact said:
politics was bringing down the entire site. if you like neogaf, even if you disagree with the decision, you should support it. that take is perfectly reasonable as well
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So I should support something I disagree with? What a ridiculous notion. I can choose to tolerate it or decide to leave. But am I going to support it? Of course not. I disagree with it. Supporting something you fundamentally disagree with would be dishonest. I find the decision to be a bad one. That's how I feel about it. That doesn't need to matter to anyone, but I'm not going to lie about it to suck up to anybody.
 
DeepBreath87 said:
I do find it odd that people who I remember posting in the politics forum are happy to see it gone. Why were you posting there if you wanted it to be gone? I find that curious to say the least.
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They are junkies that need their argument fix. But take it away and maybe they can get clean so it's all good until they start going through withdrawal. Next couple of weeks here are gonna be interesting.

We got an E3 coming soon or some other external threat that can unite us for the time being? ;)
 
Jaysen said:
Which is hilarious because most of them whined about Reeeeee being an echo chamber, and then attacked anyone and everyone who expressed an opinion contrary to their own.
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The big difference being Nobody Important still was able to post versus all opposing views being banned at that other site.
 
It was the right call. Some of the shit was embarrassing. Lets keep politics out of our games and sports and movies. I come here to escape from the real world.
 
DeepBreath87 said:
So I should support something I disagree with? What a ridiculous notion. I can choose to tolerate it or decide to leave. But am I going to support it? Of course not. I disagree with it. Supporting something you fundamentally disagree with would be dishonest. I find the decision to be a bad one. That's how I feel about it. That doesn't need to matter to anyone, but I'm not going to lie about it to suck up to anybody.
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The overall well being of a VIDEO GAME FORUM ON THE INTERNET is more important than a sub forum that had nothing to do with VIDEO GAMES.
 
ManaByte said:
The overall well being of a VIDEO GAME FORUM ON THE INTERNET is more important than a sub forum that had nothing to do with VIDEO GAMES.
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That's fine if you feel that way. I didn't see anything happening on the politics forum that was really impacting any of the other forums. Perhaps I just didn't see it. But from my position, I see it as the wrong decision. I'm unlikely to change my mind about it.
 
DeepBreath87 said:
So I should support something I disagree with? What a ridiculous notion. I can choose to tolerate it or decide to leave. But am I going to support it? Of course not. I disagree with it. Supporting something you fundamentally disagree with would be dishonest. I find the decision to be a bad one. That's how I feel about it. That doesn't need to matter to anyone, but I'm not going to lie about it to suck up to anybody.
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maybe ask yourself why you're so attached to a politics forum on a gaming website and why its removal upsets you that much. it started cultivating an extremely toxic culture and nothing of value was lost by removing it
 
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