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[benny_a]

I don't see why it's so hard to comprehend, Nintendo need to be so secretive or else their competition might copy them!

Yeah. This is a real fear. Just yesterday we saw evidence of Sony copying Nintendo.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1345119

What do you think, would Sony copy Nintendo again and bring the next gen Vita?

Based on the chronology the best thing Nintendo can do is not even talk about the Switch even after launch.

 

[marc^o^]

Is it possible to play the Switch online outside? Through a 3G or 4G network or something?

It would be great to have an eventual Rocket League to play on the go.

Sure. I have a 50go 4G connexion. Bomberman in 2P tabletop, online while lunching with a colleague. Awesome.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

Yeah. This is a real fear. Just yesterday we saw evidence of Sony copying Nintendo.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1345119


Based on the chronology the best thing Nintendo can do is not even talk about the Switch even after launch.

Sarcasm? Patent is from 2015.

 

[ramparter]

It's ok if you don't already have a WiiU but people who buy at launch tend to be more core fans, I'd imagine.

I have the feeling Switch is already attracting ps4/one owners who are looking for something different.

 

[KAL2006]

I really love the Switch hardware and concept. It's the high price and lack of games holding me back from buying at launch. I definitely will get it down the line when there are more games and it's cheaper.

The Wii U on the other hand I hated the hardware and the concept from the get go.

So atleast Nintendo has this going for them. They should now focus on getting as many games as possible and work towards a price drop on the hardware for holiday 2017.

 

[Hoo-doo]

I have the feeling Switch is already attracting ps4/one owners who are looking for something different.

Based on? The library certainly isn't pulling in many non-nintendo gamers I feel.

 

[arlucool]

They really did need more games, even one extra medium/big title at launch would make a huge difference.

Well, yes... Something like Pikmin 4 would have beneffited from being a launch title. Ryman Legends and some form of a FIFA game is really unappealing, I think. Also, this is not only lacking games but other types of software apps like Netflix, a web browser, a full version of the e-shop, and they're not supporting Miiverse anymore... Yikes.

 

[KingSnake]

Start-up that old narrative again. Sure going to help matters a lot!

You know who should control the narrative instead on having this ridiculous lack of communication? Nintendo!

You know who promises every time to learn from the previous mistakes and almost never does? Still Nintendo.

Switch is in a much better position than Wii U because it is a cool device in itself and has a very long awaited Zelda at launch, but that doesn't hide enough how poor Nintendo communication team/strategy is.

 

[marc^o^]

Based on?

If you have time you can start with this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1344375

Plenty of PS4 owners. Forum.hardware.fr is another good indication, we had a poll with 1/3 of respondents getting a Switch, who didn't have a Wii U.

 

[Kouriozan]

Is the Switch a new Wii accessory?

Well it's pretty damning they don't talk about online after making a big deal about parternering with DeNA for it.

 

[Distresssss]

Is the Switch a new Wii accessory?

Well it's pretty damning they don't talk about online after making a big deal about parternering with DeNA for it.

DeNA is only for mobile (read: Cell phone) games.


They have nothing to do with the Switch.

 

[SmokedMeat]

The Wii U's first major game made by Nintendo after launch was Pikmin 3, which came out 9 months after the Wii U launched. The Switch will have MK8D, ARMS, Splatoon 2, Fire Emblem Warriors, Super Mario Odyssey and possibly Xenoblade 2 by that time frame, not including any E3 announcements that we do not know about. The Switch is getting a much healthier release schedule of games, which is important for consumer adoption.

You really believe Xenoblade and Fire Emblem Warriors will release in nine months?

 

[sibarraz]

That's a pretty major oversight.

So if something like Overwatch comes to the Switch then you'll still be confined to playing it in your home unless you live in Japan or a busy city area with really generous hotspots.

Still got my pre-order locked but yeesh.

Nintendo online has lots of flaws but the lack of 3g isn't one of them, the vita 3g sold like shit and people will not buy data for the console.

Also I seriously doubt that you will want to play overwatch with a 3g connection, and wifi is almost everywhere, from restaurants, coffee shops, etc

 

[Linkstrikesback]

It won't be another Wii U 2.0. It's a handheld. It will be popular in Japan. That alone will propel it to a much bigger success than Wii U. That popularity will eventually transition all/most of the current 3DS support + Vita support from publishers pushing handheld content to Switch support. It might take a year or two but even if Switch starts off a bit weak, it can do a comeback much like 3DS did despite it having a very weak first 1-2 years.

And don't forget Switch is getting some form of Dragon Quest XI, possibly in 2017 already. That will drive sales in Japan and encourage increased support from at least Japanese developers.

Not to forget that Nintendo can start focusing on a single platform (they still support 3DS at the moment, but that support will start to fade in 2017-2018 as they start moving more & more of their teams to Switch and not to new 3DS projects anymore). I'd imagine that would lead to Nintendo's Switch support eventually being stronger than Wii U one since they don't have to divide their attention between two console-level platforms after some point.

You talk like being Wii u + larger Japan sale is a good thing if it comes at the cost of the much larger 3ds market. If they don't replace the 3ds with another non switch machine, then they need to get both markets in to the device at least, or it's a failure, not just the 14m from Wii u + some more in Japan.

I just don't see the market for a £280 Nintendo handheld hybrid in a world where ps4+game bundles could be had for £200 in end of year sales, and nigh everyone in the market has a smartphone now. The value proposition relative to the competition just doesn't seem to be there, and the apparent repeated lack of announced content ala Wii u isn't helping.

 

[Spieler Eins]

Sarcasm? Patent is from 2015.

shyamalan.jpg

 

[SmokedMeat]

I have the feeling Switch is already attracting ps4/one owners who are looking for something different.

Waiting for new games and missing out on all of the big third party releases would certainly be a different experience for them.

Not sure it's an appealing enough proposition though.

 

[Malcolm9]

The things I hated about the Wii U gamepad was the screen quality and the fact it had a terrible range, I'd only have to take my gamepad upstairs for it to lose connection to the console. The Switch looks to have rectified both of those which is good.

I'll wait and see how the Switch gets on though, it's all exciting at the mo but I'll see how it gets on after a few months.

 

[Baleoce]

A lot of people have been saying this is a soft launch (although I don't agree that a soft launch in the current climate is a wise thing to do, I think you need momentum from the off). But I see that as no excuse for the lack of information we currently have. And even though the userbase won't necessarily overlap, I still don't see having the more aggressive marketing of a "real launch" (ie. when the library has matured a little and Super Mario Odyssey releases) being timed closer to when Scorpio comes out as a good thing.

 

[Branduil]

You really believe Xenoblade and Fire Emblem Warriors will release in nine months?

I don't know about Xenoblade, but why wouldn't Fire Emblem Warriors?

 

[sibarraz]

The switch will not have miiverse? the fuck is wrong with nintendo?

 

[marc^o^]

Waiting for new games and missing out on all of the big third party releases would certainly be a different experience for them.

Not sure it's an appealing enough proposition though.

I think Nintendo releasing a sexy hardware will make them see Nintendo games, Zelda, Mario Kart 8 or Splatoon in a whole different way. The I want this way. Something Wii U could ever achieve.

 

[Sandfox]

Waiting for new games and missing out on all of the big third party releases would certainly be a different experience for them.

Not sure it's an appealing enough proposition though.

It's not like he said the Switch would be replacing their other platforms lol.

Based on? The library certainly isn't pulling in many non-nintendo gamers I feel.

That really depends on what you consider a "Nintendo gamer".

 

[SmokedMeat]

I don't know about Xenoblade, but why wouldn't Fire Emblem Warriors?

Have they shown any footage of the game? If so I haven't seen it.

 

[Distresssss]

A lot of people have been saying this is a soft launch (although I don't agree that a soft launch in the current climate is a wise thing to do, I think you need momentum from the off). But I see that as no excuse for the lack of information we currently have. And even though the userbase won't necessarily overlap, I still don't see having the more aggressive marketing of a "real launch" (ie. when the library has matured a little and Super Mario Odyssey release) being timed closer to when Scorpio comes out as a good thing.

What information could you possibly want that we don't know? The only major thing is what the eshop is going to look like on launch day and what's going to be in it.

Pretty much everything else is already known about through one way or another.

I understand the need to know eshop stuff but everything else at this point seems like people nitpicking.

Have they shown any footage of the game? If so I haven't seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-F_OrzC9cU

 

[serplux]

You really believe Xenoblade and Fire Emblem Warriors will release in nine months?

Yes to FE. Questionable for Xenoblade; that is why I said possibly. Regardless, there is certainly a much more consistent slate of releases and titles with a much wider appeal than the Wii U's first nine months.

Have they shown any footage of the game? If so I haven't seen it.

Brief footage was shown in the FE Direct.

 

[Roufianos]

All this talk of a "New Nintendo", they've learned absolutely nothing.

Firstly, with all that money in the bank you'd think they'd sell the console at a loss for the sake of recovering some mindshare.

Instead they're more expensive than the competition and their accessory pricing is absurd.

Also yet again they've driven the price up with gimmicks that aren't going to be utilised. Was the joy con motion really necessary? Unbelievable that they still refuse to give up on the gimmicks.

Then there's the awful launch line up and only keeping a SNES game for a month? When PS+ gives you modern games for the duration of your subscription.

It's amazing how a company can remain so blinded and arrogant after such a massive failure as the Wii U.

 

[SmokedMeat]

It's not like he said the Switch would be replacing their other platforms lol

My apologies for misreading it. I assumed it was about dropping those platforms for Switch.

As a secondary console? Absolutely.

 

[LordOcidax]

"Nintendo is repeating some the Wii U's mistakes with Switch but making other light years better." Fixed. Overall Nintendo is managing the Switch launch far better than the Wii U.

 

[poussi]

DeNA is only for mobile (read: Cell phone) games.


They have nothing to do with the Switch.

Nintendo is partnering with them for the Switch online stuff though (check e.g. here http://www.polygon.com/2017/1/12/14057166/nintendo-switch-paid-online-service). Presumably they are the ones to make the mobile companion app that's been mentioned.

 

[Gutss]

Nintendo is far from doing the same mistakes. According to Google, this time people are actually aware of the new console's existence.

And 1 and done, this is way way different from wii u, polygon is dillusional.

 

[SmokedMeat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-F_OrzC9cU

How did I miss this?? Thank you!

 

[bomblord1]

This quote from the article sums up my reaction to it.

Maybe it’s just people like me, the cynical press, who want to only see the worst in absences like this

Some of the information is just outright wrong (ex 3ds digital games) although there is a 1 line edit at the end saying a comment corrected it.

Every other point he made is known and he even admits it halfway through each point. We've seen the system menu and what we've seen is all there is to it we know that thanks to the early unboxing. We know the online strategy, price, and features. I'm struggling to think of any online related feature we don't know after the leaks, NOE infographic, and Splatoon online details post.

And then the author goes on to ignore what they are doing right with the laser targeted marketing, clear message, better dev tools, and better game distribution through the year.

 

[Hoo-doo]

I think Nintendo releasing a sexy hardware will make them see Nintendo games, Zelda, Mario Kart 8 or Splatoon in a whole different way. The I want this way. Something Wii U could ever achieve.

So they'll buy it just for the hardware? I don't see that happening. Especially not when the library isn't up to par.

 

[kami_sama]

I agree with the sentiment. While the console seems to be a lot better and geared to the people that will buy it, instead of the casual audience, we have still got too many unknowns.
Why the hell did we need to see for the first time the OS because someone got the console early? What is impeding Nintendo to shows the console inside and out by themselves?
The launch might be a little sparse, but with Zelda and some other indie games, it'll survive until mk8 and arms come out.

 

[BGBW]

Also yet again they've driven the price up with gimmicks that aren't going to be utilised. Was the joy con motion really necessary? Unbelievable that they still refuse to give up on the gimmicks.

When the majority of systems support motion controls, it's not a gimmick anymore, but a standard feature.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Nintendo has yet to fully reveal their online service for the Switch? Am I reading this right?

Edit, let me check their website.

Online lobby and voice chat

Our new dedicated smart device app will connect to Nintendo Switch and let you invite friends to play online, set play appointments, and chat with friends during online matches in compatible games─all from your smart device.

A free, limited version of this app will be available for download in summer 2017.

I...I don't know what to say.

 

[Oddish1]

I think the criticisms about online and Nintendo's lack of communication is well warranted, but implication that that will be the thing to cause the Switch to fail seems a little hyperbolic.

 

[Dark-Cloudz]

The fast I only have Zelda pre-ordered speaks volumes about the launch.

The fact that I still pre-ordered it speaks volumes about me...

Nintendo has yet to fully reveal their online service for the Switch? Am I reading this right?

Yep - people are just hoping it's going to be ok. I think it'll suck again.

 

[Yukinari]

All this talk of a "New Nintendo", they've learned absolutely nothing.

Firstly, with all that money in the bank you'd think they'd sell the console at a loss for the sake of recovering some mindshare.

Instead they're more expensive than the competition and their accessory pricing is absurd.

Also yet again they've driven the price up with gimmicks that aren't going to be utilised. Was the joy con motion really necessary? Unbelievable that they still refuse to give up on the gimmicks.

Then there's the awful launch line up and only keeping a SNES game for a month? When PS+ gives you modern games for the duration of your subscription.

It's amazing how a company can remain so blinded and arrogant after such a massive failure as the Wii U.

If theres anything i knew they were gonna keep for the sake of their franchises it was gonna be motion control. Im not playing Pikmin 4 without motion control. Its the other features stuffed into the Joycon that are holding it down i feel like.

I also dont think the pro controller needs the NFC reader inside it when you can just tap an amiibo to the joycon.

 

[frankie_baby]

All this talk of a "New Nintendo", they've learned absolutely nothing.

Firstly, with all that money in the bank you'd think they'd sell the console at a loss for the sake of recovering some mindshare.

Instead they're more expensive than the competition and their accessory pricing is absurd.

Also yet again they've driven the price up with gimmicks that aren't going to be utilised. Was the joy con motion really necessary? Unbelievable that they still refuse to give up on the gimmicks.

Then there's the awful launch line up and only keeping a SNES game for a month? When PS+ gives you modern games for the duration of your subscription.

It's amazing how a company can remain so blinded and arrogant after such a massive failure as the Wii U.

They lost a boatload of cash on the wii u, there's no way the shareholders would have entertained selling selling switch at a loss

Accessory pricicing is only slightly higher than the competition despite being considerably higher tech

Of course the joycon motion was necessary

Launch line up includes Zelda and modt people only buy 1 game day one with their console anyway

Nintendo subscription is likely to be half the price of psn

 

[Fbh]

They are deleting SOME mistakes.

But have been doing much better in other areas. The marketing is a lot better than anything they had for the WiiU.
The concept and design of the console is also much better.

But yeah, the weird way they are handling online and the lack of info so close to release is pretty bad

 

[Vampirolol]

Nintendo need to be called out for their mistakes, but they are at least improving. 2012 Nintendo isn't 2017 Nintendo

 

[Fliesen]

This quote from the article sums up my reaction to it.



Some of the information is just outright wrong (ex 3ds digital games) although there is a 1 line edit at the end saying a comment corrected it.

Every other point he made is known and he even admits it halfway through each point. We've seen the system menu and what we've seen is all there is to it thanks to the early unboxing. We know the online strategy, price, and features. I'm struggling to think of any online related feature we don't know after the leaks, NOE infographic, and Splatoon online details post.

yeah we do, because we pieced leaks, foreign interviews and official information together. We shouldn't have to do that :/

 

[Koppai]

By Christopher Grant



More at the article.

A comment pointed out that hotel wi-fi might not even work with the console.

Hotel wifi has never worked with any of my consoles so?

 

[Dark-Cloudz]

Nintendo need to be called out for their mistakes, but they are at least improving. 2012 Nintendo isn't 2017 Nintendo

At least it now looks like a piece of consumer electronics, rather than a cheap toy.

 

[marc^o^]

So they'll buy it just for the hardware? I don't see that happening. Especially not when the library isn't up to par.

Create a thread and ask PS4 owners whether they get a Switch for the hardware, Zelda, LAN in Bomberman, local play in Snipperclips,a futuristic racer in HD Rumble 1080p 60fps 4p splitscreen, the perspective to discover the amazing MK8 or Splatoon in LAN and online, the new big Mario these holidays, the play anytime, anywhere advantage, etc. I don't know more than you, they are plenty of reasons, you should ask them

 

[airmangataosenai]

the two launches aren't comparable. one was a premier launch hot of the heels of their most successful console. other is a soft launch aimed at hardcore out of the gate

not that i particularly have faith in nintendo to not go groundhog day on their problems but we're not looking at a tire fire like wii u

Aimed at the hardcore... how? Outside of Zelda it is nothing but last gen ports this year other than Splatoon and Mario. The other titles like 1-2 and Arms... Are you seriously going to say those are aimed at the hardcore audience. This is a system which lacks any sort of consistent vision other than the one accepted by the remaining loyalists for the company who will accept whatever talking points Nintendo puts out even when they are contradictory such as with both Switch and WiiU.

Their roll-out for this product is embarassing even taking into account low expectations.

 

[rockman zx]

Personally I'm a little disappointed with how Nintendo is handling things, I'm still waiting to get some news about the virtual console directly from them.

 

[Zombegoast]

Because it means games like Rocket League, Overwatch, Splatoon 2, any online heavy game will largely be only playable at home, just like the Wii U.

For a console they want people to take beyond the home it feels like an omission, to be anyway.

But those are unreliable to use compared to using Wifi. In crowded areas or in buildings signals would be either weak or no signal at all.

This problem lies more on the US being behind. NFC is not even a thing and Wifi would just added in Buses in Orlando.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

It is riddiculous we had to get so much infomation from leaks and that guy who got it early. Nintendo haven't improved their communications at all.

But I always have and always will give Nintendo the benefit of the doubt frankly, so I don't care how much info we're waiting for, I'll be at a midnight launch with bells on.