Nintendo Switch 2 is 75% ahead of the unit sales pace set by Switch 1 in the U.S.

blacktout said:
What kind of significant changes are you expecting in future PC handhelds? Most of the ones I've seen have roughly the same form factor and feature set. Are you just suggesting that they're going to eventually offer more power at a competitive price point with the Switch 2?

Because that was already true of the Steam Deck vs. the OG Switch and it still hasn't broken 5 million units sold. Which is great for a PC handheld, but not likely to substantially threaten the Switch 2.

Also, the first significant revision to the Switch 2 will probably be a Switch 2 Lite, which would be targeting a very different audience than that targeted by PC handhelds.



I agree that it'll be interesting to see what kind of impact PlayStation's handheld has on the market, but didn't Microsoft scuttle their handheld in favor of a partnership with ASUS? I doubt that the considerably more expensive ROG Ally X will threaten the Switch 2.



Except that this was exactly the position that the Switch was in relative to the Steam Deck and it had a negligible impact on its sales. Hell, the Steam Deck was even reasonably price competitive with the Switch and it didn't seem to matter. Meanwhile, most of the high end PC handhelds that noticably outperform the Switch 2 are substantially more expensive, and given "market conditions" that's unlikely to change anytime soon.
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The Steam Deck wasn't a mainstream device.
And why are you ignoring the Xbox Ally, which is significantly cheaper than the Xbox Ally X?
 
Parazels said:
The Steam Deck wasn't a mainstream device.
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Aside from the future PS handheld, which Switch 2 competitors do you anticipate being mainstream devices?

Parazels said:
And why are you ignoring the Xbox Ally, which is significantly cheaper than the Xbox Ally X?
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The Ally is still $100 more expensive than the Switch 2 and, as far as I can tell, not substantially more powerful. It does have the advantage of having access to a larger library of titles, but that's true of all PC handhelds. I don't see why it should substantially outperform the existing ROG Ally. Like, I don't know how much value is added in consumers' eyes just by the addition of the Xbox logo. I suppose it gets the additional weight of Microsoft marketing, but that hasn't exactly worked miracles for the Series systems.
 
LordOcidax said:
From Installbase.

"For the ones wondering sales of ~480K during the second month of a console launched outside the holiday season (Nov->Dec) is the best result recorded until now.
~2.08M is also the new record for the first two months (regardless of holiday season launch or not)"
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Pulp Fiction Thinking GIF
 
tr1p1ex said:
Completely holds.

Because your two reasons are not the main reasons why the DS thrived. The main reasons are price, 1st party games, battery life, size(portability,) lack of heat, and games made for handheld.

Plus Switch 2 still retains uniqueness. Dock included. Detachable controllers. Motion control. Mouse aiming.

Pc handhelds have a disadvantage that the PSP didn't have which is the games aren't made for them specifically. So going to be less plug and play.

I just don't see them being any competition for Switch 2. They are more competition for other pc gaming hardware.
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One of the redeeming qualities of the Steam Deck when it comes to plug and play is the Steam community. They make a lot of games plug and play via community layouts to map controls to the Deck. It helps me get games running that were made before PC controller support was a consideration for developers.

PC gaming has such strong community involvement across the board that I've found handheld PC gaming just as fulfilling as a dedicated handheld. Plus with a PC handheld you get the depth of a full game, something I often found lacking on the PSP and DS. On those systems I always knew I was playing a portable version of a game. A lot of times that was a turnoff.
 
Kabelly said:
A whole generation of Switch games are still available for Switch 2. It will keep selling because there is literally more than enough to play for new Switch buyers.

I bought one because my Day 1 Switch was literally on the way out. Pretty sure it got a swollen battery. Plus the upgrade is everything I wanted in a successor minus the OLED screen.

I just wish there were more frequent updates to Switch 1 games. Animal Crossing is the second best selling game on the system and it still runs at 30.
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If anything, my frothing demand for Switch software increases daily since I got my Switch 2.
 
Parazels said:
1) The first generations of those pc-handhelds were full of flaws, but they are being fixed.
Switch 2 won't be able to change significantly over the next 7 years, except for minor improvements (bigger storage, OLED).

2) As I said, juggernauts have not joined the race yet.

3) In a few years Nintendo can end up in a very awkward position if Switch 2 turns out to be too inferior to the alternative handhelds.
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Do you understand the degree to which Nintendo has had a constant dominant monopoly over handheld gaming? Because if you did, you would understand expecting a newcomer to beat them at that game is tantamount to expecting a newcomer to beating Valve and Steam, it's utterly nonsensical
 
Mozza said:
They did not make as many, Nintendo are simply more prepared this time,
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Nintendo is also very conservative with their shipment numbers. It says something that this company was willing to roll the dice on MASSIVE shipments for the Switch 2 launch, and haters are trying to row upstream in denial without a paddle.
 
I still think this gonna damage their long term selling, since I don't usually take account just 2 or 3 countries. Switch is pretty popular here, I doubt people here would ever buy Switch 2.
 
Does Nintendo need to be worried once PSP next gen is unveiled? I think this might even up the playing field or at least Sony can catch up a bit to Nintendo switch especially in Japan. But again, it all comes to how good the exclusives and availability of more Japan made games especially AA and A games.
 
ReBurn said:
One of the redeeming qualities of the Steam Deck when it comes to plug and play is the Steam community. They make a lot of games plug and play via community layouts to map controls to the Deck. It helps me get games running that were made before PC controller support was a consideration for developers.

PC gaming has such strong community involvement across the board that I've found handheld PC gaming just as fulfilling as a dedicated handheld. Plus with a PC handheld you get the depth of a full game, something I often found lacking on the PSP and DS. On those systems I always knew I was playing a portable version of a game. A lot of times that was a turnoff.
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SD is a niche in comparison to Switch. Nintendo really has a different customer than SD.

The point was, in case you missed it, that just like with the DS back in the day, power and graphics don't win the handheld market.
 
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Ainem Enamas said:
Well it is the same Switch but more powerful, awesome console simply upgraded
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It's remarkably more comfortable and sleeker. Just feels more durable, more high quality all around. Love the giant screen, no latency whatsoever I can see. Not a tech guy but I think it's a huge step forward cosmetically as well as functionally from Switch 1.
 
tr1p1ex said:
SD is a niche in comparison to Switch. Nintendo really has a different customer than SD.

The point was, in case you missed it, that just like with the DS back in the day, power and graphics don't win the handheld market.
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I know who Steam Deck is for. But the days of reduced power portable consoles have been over since the 3DS was discontinued. What won the handheld market had nothing to do with power. It was Sony pretty much giving up on the Vita and letting Nintendo have it all to themselves.

Nowadays if people want stripped down handheld games they're playing them on their phones. In case you missed it, the expectation that has been set with Switch and Steam Deck is that people who buy a Switch or a PC handheld want to play the exact same games on those devices that they play on their TV or at their battlestation. They want to be able to take their progress with them without the limitations of a portable version like we had when dedicated gaming handhelds were huge.
 
yogaflame said:
Does Nintendo need to be worried once PSP next gen is unveiled? I think this might even up the playing field or at least Sony can catch up a bit to Nintendo switch especially in Japan. But again, it all comes to how good the exclusives and availability of more Japan made games especially AA and A games.
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Shit. The one thing Sony had was Squeenix, and Final Fantasy VII Integrade (sitting pretty ABOVE the PS4, and somewhere below the PS5) is going to be out before Christmas on Switch 2. Sony's the group in crisis mode behind the scenes, or a handheld wouldn't even be in the works.
 
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