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Polygon: Nintendo is already repeating the Wii U's mistakes with Switch
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Christberg
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Not right away for sure. If Switch takes off, maybe in a couple years. The SCD idea is interesting, but not nearly as much as it being possible for it to run standalone. Maybe use the USB3 port in the existing dock for the same "switch" functions. Same compatibility as PS4-Pro.
JB2448
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Well, if that's the logic you're using for your purchasing decisions, you're making terrible ones, sorry. If power is your primary purchasing metric, stop buying Apple products. While you're at it, stop buying consoles and build a PC.
However, if you consider form factor, ancillary hardware features, software ecosystem, usability, and ease of access, then a post like that isn't particularly well thought out.
Spyder_Monkey
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The most viewed videos on Nintendo's Youtube channel are Switch games, most of the press is covering it, the Switch subreddit has 100k subscribers with posts often making the front page, the Switch facebook page has 5 million likes, it had a freaking Superbowl commercial and you could say "well none of this matters" but the Wii U had only a fraction of that coverage. It proves people are giving a shit and it's the "hardcore" that's overreacting. No idea what Europe is doing wrong though.
SmoothRunningGun
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I know right.
NOLA_Gaffer
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Whenever I hear someone suggest that Nintendo should make "western focused" games and fall into lock step with the rest of the industry a chill runs up my spine.
I like Nintendo's software, could we not suggest they change their development habits please?
I like Nintendo's software, could we not suggest they change their development habits please?
Mr.Fletcher
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Totally agree - though that's not to say preorders numbers don't tell a different story (one I'm not privy too).
Here in the UK, I'm not seeing much buzz at all. The launch of the PS4 was an enormous event. It felt like the industry and marketplace was gearing up for it for months.
Admittedly, the PS4 was released after a fairly stagnant period in console gaming and Nintendo has never been a favourite over here, but I still find the apathy concerning.
The real test of this machine will be after the initial excitement wears off.
Poimandres
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Well if Splatoon can't sell this console, Nintendo might as well go out of business.
They might be able to support another failure gen but the public opinion of Nintendo would be unsalvageable.
Lmao this argument makes its way back into switch threads. Can you please compare it to a pixel c next?
TalentAlwaysWins
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reelbigtink
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None of this matters since the Vita flopped because the software wasn't there. The weak 3DS destroyed it and proved that things like flops and Internet browsers don't matter to most people. It's all about software output. And Pokemon.
Pops Maellard
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I think you're underestimating how laughably underpowered the base PS4 is and how needlessly powerful the A10 SOC is.
It's popular because they've had a shit console from Nintendo for the last 4 years And people are desperate for something new. Also it's likely a lot of handheld gamers excited. Console gamers are probably crying.
Jubenhimer
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Yeah... No. While Nintendo's handling of the Switch isn't perfect, it's already much better than how they fucked up the Wii U. It's already got a much better design, concept, and first year lineup than the Wii U will ever have, and if you actually look at how Nintendo is handling the launch, it's actually a very clalculated, momentum-based release. They still need to explain their online stuff, and what exactly this "phone app" entails. But Nintendo is already off to a much better start than the Wii U. It annoys me greatly that people keep saying they're making the same mistakes as the Wii U, when the truth is anything but.
Pops Maellard
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Find me a smartphone that's at least as powerful as an iPhone 7. Not even more powerful, just at least equally so.
Mr.Fletcher
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I don't think the UK is a good market for Nintendo. We favoured the Mega Drive back in the 90s and have largely supported the PlayStation brand ever since (though the Xbox 360 broke Sony's dominance briefly).
Splatoon 2 will be an excellent game, but it won't move units over here sadly. Nintendo - in terms of home consoles - just doesn't seem to have a big fan base here (though that's not to say there isn't any).
I read this thread earlier and on the first page someone posted that the Switch is releasing in 13 days, I turned to my girlfriend and said "I can't believe it's less than two weeks away - nobody seems to care".
I'm sure it's a cracking piece of kit. I'm sure it'll have some fantastic games. But I'm pretty sure, particularly at almost £300 with no game and expensive accessories, it will not do well in the UK.
I hope it does though.
RTJamerson
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That's a pretty major oversight.
So if something like Overwatch comes to the Switch then you'll still be confined to playing it in your home unless you live in Japan or a busy city area with really generous hotspots.
Still got my pre-order locked but yeesh.
You expect Overwatch on Switch?.. yeesh
Buggy Loop
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You have a severe lack of understanding hardware if you think an iphone 7 could run Horizons zero dawn. Or anything on PS4 for that matter outside of indies.
Still waiting on that 1.8Tflop claim
Show me the receipts
Yeah that's a great counterargument to the Polygon piece. Apparently account systems don't sell consoles.
What the fk did I just read?
Pops Maellard
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From a CPU perspective the A10 is notably better than a PS4. GPU is a different conversation, but the most relevant discrepancy is memory bandwidth.
This isn't a defense of Apple or me seriously suggesting that an iPhone 7 could properly run modern AAA titles with the same performance as a PS4. Just that the PS4 isn't super powerful.
To clarify since people are reading this and inferring shit I didn't actually say, at no point did I say that the iPhone 7 is more powerful than a PS4. Just that the PS4 is not particularly powerful at all, and that on paper the iPhone 7 is the most powerful smartphone in existence at the moment.
TreasureHunterG
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I agree the excessive secrecy over the system's reveal had a negative impact over and third-party support is still lacking, but Nintendo is doing much more right than wrong this time. Nowhere close to that train wreck that Wii U was.
I find it hard to see what they are doing right. From a marketing standpoint I think Nintendo is doing OK, but the same problems that plagued the Wii U seems like they will carry over to the Switch (e.g lack of 3rd party support - western 3rd party support in particular, underpowered hardware, subpar online functionality when compared to competitors, etc.).
Polygon does good here criticising this launch because they are the gaming press and they have a say, otherwise they won't be where they currently are. We might it like it or not.
NS launch is flawed, i cannot see Apple hiding features on purpose two weeks before the launch of a new device, in part because doing that is getting bad press, so Nintendo has what they deserve. This is some secretive shit nintendo knows they are going to get away with because they are going to sell tons of NS on launch to their die hard fans, and we are enough to buy the NS at launch so they can say it's been a great sucess during the first months of life of the console. It happened with 3DS and Wii U.
We don't have info on the online infrastructure nor the virtual console simply because neither of those is going to get ready at launch and Nintendo is not proud of it, so they remain silent.
NS launch is flawed, i cannot see Apple hiding features on purpose two weeks before the launch of a new device, in part because doing that is getting bad press, so Nintendo has what they deserve. This is some secretive shit nintendo knows they are going to get away with because they are going to sell tons of NS on launch to their die hard fans, and we are enough to buy the NS at launch so they can say it's been a great sucess during the first months of life of the console. It happened with 3DS and Wii U.
We don't have info on the online infrastructure nor the virtual console simply because neither of those is going to get ready at launch and Nintendo is not proud of it, so they remain silent.
Shikamaru Ninja
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It be really hard for Nintendo to replicate the Wii U's failure. The Switch is an inherently better product from conception.The launch library isn't as good as I would have hoped but Zelda is a more attractive game to core users than NSMB, and 1 2 Switch is a better casual game than Nintendo Land. This is also a March launch which is a soft launch compared to the holiday launch period so Nintendo is ahead of the curve for 2017.
Spyder_Monkey
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That's not how it works but okay.
Azak's crazy angry posts are always good for a laugh.
innervision961
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The switch will be great if you want 1 or maybe 2 titles a year for 3 years then nothing for 2 while they announce the next system.
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MrPressStart
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Wii U had a bad name. Only true die hards went after it. It was ok but not great. Lack of sales hurt it and Devs abandoned ship.
Switch is different and more importantly.... Nintendo is riding high now. On a global level they are hitting a level of notoriety that most companies never see.
I see it selling out once it hits and being hard to find. Zelda is a system seller. Period.
The devs are coming. And by the holidays ... a decent lineup going into year 2.
Switch is different and more importantly.... Nintendo is riding high now. On a global level they are hitting a level of notoriety that most companies never see.
I see it selling out once it hits and being hard to find. Zelda is a system seller. Period.
The devs are coming. And by the holidays ... a decent lineup going into year 2.
The Vita flopped because it was $250/$300 at launch with expensive proprietary memory. It didn't matter how many features it had to offer, and Sony doomed it to being a niche platform once they dropped their software support for the system.
Nintendo's making the mistake of not sharing enough information, but what matters at the end of the day are the games. If the games are there, the Switch will do fine.
I still don't know how people are taking this article seriously with statements like this from the author.
A $300 portable system with a laughable library of games for the first few months will not be selling out. I think it is going to take Pokemon and a $100 price cut before it sells relatively well. Western publishers aren't really confident in the Switch at all, and it shows with the lack of support.
I wouldn't call Zelda a system seller either. Not even close. Genuine system sellers are very rare and Zelda is not one of them.
Glass Shark
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Brutal, but absolutely on-point. From the UI leaks it looks like they finally fixed this, but the process for account linking on past portables has been horrendous and inexcusable.
We should be critical of the things we want to see succeed. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that statement.
MisterR
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When you have a fanbase who hand waves away your every fuck up, you must begin living in a bubble. I think it actually hurts Nintendo listening to their most sycophantic fans.
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SlipperyFishes
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Thank you for your valued contribution. Groan.
I imagine that preordering personal devices from multiple retailers isn't a thing exclusive to someone who's best is to cover new hardware. Just because he's critical doesn't mean he wants it to fail.
b00_thegh0st
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This thread:
RichiRamjag
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The people trying to balance that shit out with the constant criticism are getting just as bad tbh.
GuessMyUserName
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There's seriously not enough content at all in this article for such a hyperbolic claim, really does just come off as clickbait. Yes, Switch still has troubles with messaging and a lot is left secret to this day, and the launch lineup is nothing to scream for/. But there is a stark difference in the actual presence of the system publicly, and a clear idea of what's special about it. Nobody for instance thinks that the Switch is a tablet for your preexisting consoles for instance. Nobody knew what the hell a Wii U was.
"Switch is on the path of Wii U" is a gigantic claim, Wii U's failure is as big as it gets for a main platform. Come up with some actual significance for your argument next time or at least tone it down, Polygon.
"Switch is on the path of Wii U" is a gigantic claim, Wii U's failure is as big as it gets for a main platform. Come up with some actual significance for your argument next time or at least tone it down, Polygon.
Muffin Awesome
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I completely agree with everything you wrote that I searched for a Michael Ian Black gif to show truly how much I agree with your statement.