My fear is that there may not be much room for left-field characters this time with all the MCU characters that Marvel would want Capcom to promote.
Polygon: The Marvel Games team knows you want a new Marvel vs. Capcom
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AnkiRendan
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I want Sengoku Basara characters.
For all of those people who list that "no historical characters rule" that they made up, the newest game introduces new kid versions of Masamune and Yukimura with different names, so that could work.
And I want my girl Hsien-Ko to be given another chance!
For all of those people who list that "no historical characters rule" that they made up, the newest game introduces new kid versions of Masamune and Yukimura with different names, so that could work.
And I want my girl Hsien-Ko to be given another chance!
Well, if all X-men and F4 characters are being dropped, i don't see that much of a problem, assuming we get like a roster around 30 characters per side and the fact that a lot of MCU characters are already in (Thor, Iron-man, Cap, Hawkeye with ant man cameo, Rocket, Strange, Spidey, etc) you could fill the hole left by the X-men/FF characters with more MCU characters and use new spots for more oddball choices.
And even so, adding characters like Groot would be both an oddball and a MCU character.
I mean if we are going the route of port begging then I got a few requests too for a potential UMVC3 current gen + PC port.
Assuming no balance changes go through:
*Full 1080P and improved performance in some of the high intensity stages (so there's less stage lag and we don't have to play in two stages all the time)
*Improved netcode
*H&H being available to play in offline vs mode
*Hitbox viewer from the Vita version added in
*Jill and Shuma available in the game from the start (so tournaments don't have to separately download the characters like they currently have to do)
*Bug fixes. TAC infinite bug fixed. Parry bug in H&H mode etc. Game has a ton of bugs that impact play that should be rectified. The TAC infinite bug is a big enough one that it would significantly impact competitive play.
*Hack prevention. No more being able to edit your game file to be able to use 3 Galactus's online on a single team.
Assuming no balance changes go through:
*Full 1080P and improved performance in some of the high intensity stages (so there's less stage lag and we don't have to play in two stages all the time)
*Improved netcode
*H&H being available to play in offline vs mode
*Hitbox viewer from the Vita version added in
*Jill and Shuma available in the game from the start (so tournaments don't have to separately download the characters like they currently have to do)
*Bug fixes. TAC infinite bug fixed. Parry bug in H&H mode etc. Game has a ton of bugs that impact play that should be rectified. The TAC infinite bug is a big enough one that it would significantly impact competitive play.
*Hack prevention. No more being able to edit your game file to be able to use 3 Galactus's online on a single team.
Groot wouldn't be that much of an oddball due to his popularity & potential to take up the moveset mantle of Sentinel. That said, even with the Fox characters gone, there's still a ton of MCU characters that could fill the voids. Even if Capcom can't get the Maximoff Twins, there's other MCU characters that Marvel would want in the game.
TDLink
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Keep in mind that Rocket and Doctor Strange were left field picks but now that they're part of the MCU they're more mainstream. Lots of great characters have been "promoted" by the MCU who would previously have been obscure. The possibilities of Star Lord, Mantis, Falcon, Black Panther, Winter Soldier, Ant Man, Wasp, Loki, Captain Marvel, Ultron, and the return of Thanos are all pretty good now thanks to the MCU. And those are some great characters.
Was Sentinel's moveset changed between 2 & 3? While Groot can't fly, he could take up a good number of Sentinel's old moves.
BumblebeeCody
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Considering Marvel is the most hype game at EVO, it should be well worth them noting that they have a highly valuable game on their hands. More than any other Marvel game they could bring out.
Doesn't have the frying pan.
To be honest, MvC3 Sentinel is pretty on point with his MvC2 version. Flight combos and flight cancels as well as being one of the best in the game with great synergy with there rest of his team. MSS exists for a reason....that and DHC glitch. UMvC3 Sentinel is arse though.
In regards to new characters, I hope they don't just fill it with MCU characters. I want genuine fan characters like Venom and Ms. Marvel(Kamela Khan) than catering to those who only watch the movies.
Doesn't have the frying pan.
To be honest, MvC3 Sentinel is pretty on point with his MvC2 version. Flight combos and flight cancels as well as being one of the best in the game with great synergy with there rest of his team. MSS exists for a reason....that and DHC glitch. UMvC3 Sentinel is arse though.
In regards to new characters, I hope they don't just fill it with MCU characters. I want genuine fan characters like Venom and Ms. Marvel(Kamela Khan) than catering to those who only watch the movies.
A Sentinel that can't fly isn't a Sentinel at all. The whole character is based around the flight mechanic at least in MVC2 because he could do fast fly into unfly into refly. The mobility was crazy.
He has a lot of the same moves but he was much faster and interesting to play in MVC2. He was like an aerial footsie tank that just stomped and kicked you while flying over your head. Granted the armor, the crazy stats, damage and chip on normal were all over the top and resulted in a broken character but the playstyle was amazing.
They slowed down his air normals, his flight speed, removed the fly/unfly stuff due to the new systems in MVC3, limited air attacks (again a MVC3 restriction). At least he's still fast on the ground and got a command grab. The fly/unfly mechanic was given to Morrigan instead and she uses that to put out more fireballs.
He does have the frying pan, it's j.S. Of course just like every move of Sentinel in MVC3, it's a lot slower.
None of the Disney Infinity interpretations of the Marvel characters were beyond what they could do in the comics. Though by that logic, either Gamora or Blade could take up Deadpool's moveset.
BumblebeeCody
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I just mean Groot doesn't have a frying pan. Regarding the fly unfly, other characters got that too like Phoenix, (DT) Dante and Magneto
Ultron doesn't have finger lasers, hidden missiles or the iconic FOOT-FOOTDIVE. Also, Doom is currently a god in comics so he'd win.
bizzarewars
Banned
Please, Marvel... Take me for a ride...
He does, actually. And Doom lost his god powers a while back.
Round trip glitch as well. And kubota escape even if it isnt relevant anymore.
I'd say that Star-Lord & Groot are safe bets, & Gamora has a good chance, but I'm not sure about Drax.
Yeah I didn't list all of them but there are a lot of relevant glitches in the game that get abused all the time.
Another is the TAC fake out glitch or the TAC cancel into Buster that allows Zero to double fake out a TAC.
Oh and the weird slow down that happens when you hit an assist character.
Hes aiight
Yeah theres a ton of tiny glitches/bugs that could be ironed out. Even if they didnt rebalance just fixing those would be enough.
Hopefully Capcom would be able to make those changes if they were ever able to remaster UMvC3.
TheMortarion
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Marvel please come through on this. I love SFV and KI and I am excited for Injustice 2, but the feel of the absurd hype that is possible with the over the top MvC gameplay is like no other.
I would love to see Gaurdians characters brought in. Big body Groot and grappler Drax, rocket boot Starlord, She Hulk style Gamora. Bring in Daredevil and The Punisher.
I would love to see Gaurdians characters brought in. Big body Groot and grappler Drax, rocket boot Starlord, She Hulk style Gamora. Bring in Daredevil and The Punisher.
ShockingAlberto
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I am surprised anyone is taking anything from this statement.
To me it comes off as "We know, we know, shut up about it - we'll do it if it makes sense, I swear."
To me it comes off as "We know, we know, shut up about it - we'll do it if it makes sense, I swear."
And hopefully unblock/re-make Magneto's alt costume.
Confirmation that they're, at the very least, aware is better than nothing, before we could assume they didn't even think about the franchise, "we'll do it if it makes sense" is a step up from nothing.
TDLink
Member
Ultron could easily do all of these things in a MvC4. Obviously Doom would win in a comic battle.
If I recall, wasn't it Spain that caused the costume's removal?
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Drax can be a grappler character like Haggar.
Yeah, Spanish royalty bitched about it because that hack Greg Land had traced the suit from a picture of some Spanish prince for the House of M issue it appeared in, capcom wasn't aware of this when they made the costume and, if i recall correctly, Marvel went like "oh shit, that's the thing that made spain mad, lets' block it".
Maybe with some adjustments they can retain the spirit of the outfit while making it different enough from the real one.
All I'm taking from this is that a remastered version may not be out of the question, especially if they're re-licensing MUA1&2 per the ESRB rating info. That's some pretty big progress if true considering the characters involved. Not to mention Capcom's supposed emphasis on remasters.
I would expect zero gameplay changes though if it happened.
Interested to see what happens with the MUA thing.
But wouldn't they still have Haggar on the Capcom side?
Wouldn't be a bad thing, i personally like symmetry in these games, plus they could re-work thor into not being the grappler, somehow it didn't feel right.
JeTmAn81
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Sentinel is still pretty awesome in Marvel 3. He isn't god tier but who wants a Sentinel as OP as Zero or Vergil? His assist is one of the best and he's really dangerous on point if you're skilled.
Steve Youngblood
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Yeah. "Who knows what the future holds?" is as non-committal as it gets. I'm fine with fans holding out hope, but inferring from this that there's been any progress whatsoever on any re-releases or new releases strikes me as being very naive.
CrackpotDesert
Banned
No more Hidden Missiles assist.
Marvel vs. Capcom is a contender for one of my favorite series, I think. There's a lot of optimism in the community right now and for whatever reason I'm feeling really confident something's going to happen soon.
I feel like some of those "banned" characters would almost have to make it. There is a lot of legacy to these games and their characters and I feel like a brand as big as Capcom could pull off more negotiation than they're given credit for (they got characters like Shuma and Sentinel in 3 based on their appearances in past games alone). I don't think anyone was grabbing their torches and pitchforks over no X-Men or F4 in Disney Infinity or Lego Avengers or whatever but there would definitely be a ton of backlash without Wolverine, Doom and Magneto making it into a 4th Marvel vs. Capcom game. I'm sure Capcom would do their best. That being said they were content ignoring requests for Mega Man, Gambit, Venom and a handful of other really popular veteran choices and 3 still turned out to be an incredible game so I'd want to see them try to do the game anyway.
The only really big change I'd be adamant about seeing is some kind of change to the assist system. The reason so many teams in 3 (and 2 as well I suppose) look the same is because of that "assist" slot on team usually populated by Doom or a handful of others. With a total of 150 assists to choose between in the game asking for them all to be great is laughable, but every character should have at least one useful move imo. Maybe the solution is to give every character only one assist ala Tatsunoko, but even then there would inherently be a few that make a lot more sense to use than the others so I don't know if that would solve the character variety problem 3 faces these days. I just know it's a really complicated system to balance but that a reworking of it would freshen the game up tremendously.
Other than that I just want to see something similar to 3. The same comic-book artstyle and awesome animations/effects (albeit with a touch more detail, maybe) would be just fine. A couple touches from other fighters on the market to round it out a bit more (I hope SFV's 3-4 hour story mode becomes Capcom's standard in the future) and some strong in-game tutorials would make it feel like a really complete product.
I don't really know about what characters should be in it other than that I'd die if we lost some of Capcom's newcomers from 3. I'm sure Phoenix Wright, Dante, Frank West and a lot of the others would come back but I'm kind of scared about characters like Viewtiful Joe and Amaterasu who are fading from relevance. Asura is probably a shoe-in and classic Mega Man is getting more and more popular so I'd be surprised to see him left out again. What's going on with RE these days? Chris, Jill and especially Wesker were all awesome but I have no idea who's relevant and who's not in the newer games.
I'd miss Wesker a lot :[
I feel like some of those "banned" characters would almost have to make it. There is a lot of legacy to these games and their characters and I feel like a brand as big as Capcom could pull off more negotiation than they're given credit for (they got characters like Shuma and Sentinel in 3 based on their appearances in past games alone). I don't think anyone was grabbing their torches and pitchforks over no X-Men or F4 in Disney Infinity or Lego Avengers or whatever but there would definitely be a ton of backlash without Wolverine, Doom and Magneto making it into a 4th Marvel vs. Capcom game. I'm sure Capcom would do their best. That being said they were content ignoring requests for Mega Man, Gambit, Venom and a handful of other really popular veteran choices and 3 still turned out to be an incredible game so I'd want to see them try to do the game anyway.
The only really big change I'd be adamant about seeing is some kind of change to the assist system. The reason so many teams in 3 (and 2 as well I suppose) look the same is because of that "assist" slot on team usually populated by Doom or a handful of others. With a total of 150 assists to choose between in the game asking for them all to be great is laughable, but every character should have at least one useful move imo. Maybe the solution is to give every character only one assist ala Tatsunoko, but even then there would inherently be a few that make a lot more sense to use than the others so I don't know if that would solve the character variety problem 3 faces these days. I just know it's a really complicated system to balance but that a reworking of it would freshen the game up tremendously.
Other than that I just want to see something similar to 3. The same comic-book artstyle and awesome animations/effects (albeit with a touch more detail, maybe) would be just fine. A couple touches from other fighters on the market to round it out a bit more (I hope SFV's 3-4 hour story mode becomes Capcom's standard in the future) and some strong in-game tutorials would make it feel like a really complete product.
I don't really know about what characters should be in it other than that I'd die if we lost some of Capcom's newcomers from 3. I'm sure Phoenix Wright, Dante, Frank West and a lot of the others would come back but I'm kind of scared about characters like Viewtiful Joe and Amaterasu who are fading from relevance. Asura is probably a shoe-in and classic Mega Man is getting more and more popular so I'd be surprised to see him left out again. What's going on with RE these days? Chris, Jill and especially Wesker were all awesome but I have no idea who's relevant and who's not in the newer games.
I'd miss Wesker a lot :[
Professor Beef
Banned
I take it you're not familiar with Vs. fans?
Doctrine Dark
Member
Marvel 4, Marvel Super Heroes 2, whatever. Just give me a Marvel fighting game please. I don't care what it is at this point. I'd be good with a PS4/XB1 UMVC3 port.
I don't see Wesker, Jill, and Chris leaving at all. I can see Nemesis leaving. I would be super surprised if Leon isn't in the next game. He was a main character for 6, starring in the next CG movie again, and about to have a remake of his debut game. He was considered for Tatsunoko vs Capcom as well. I think Viewtiful Joe and Amaterasu will be safe, they'll just continue to be treated as legacy characters.
You should get your eyes checked if you think MvC3 looked bad.
Best looking fighting game of last gen. MT Framework is a powerhouse.
JeTmAn81
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It has a distinctive comic-book art style which isn't for everyone. I've always thought it looked great.
I'm not saying that Capcom wouldn't try to get those characters. But given their current standing, I doubt that they would have much of a say on the matter (especially with Marvel being as big as they are, now). As stated before, I'm sure the guys at Marvel Games are cool about this kind of stuff, but the main problem are the higher-ups at Marvel Entertainment.
Maybe he can let the Marvel Entertainment execs know that the ban is stupid & should be overturned if MvC4 happens.
A straight port of UMvC3 to new consoles (and hopefully PC) would also be awesome, hopefully with a few obvious fixes.
-General rebalancing (i hate morrigan a lot make iron fist good instead)
-Bug fixes (tac infinites were a mistake)
-Revisit H&H (unlocking cards was ridiculous, no offline versus was a big misstep)
-Make the stages work (kill any slowdown or input delay, maybe increase brightness on characters for some of the darker ones or do something to help them stand out against the busier ones)
-Include all the DLC (i mean SF4 did it)
-Brand new in-game tutorials??? (I know it doesn't interest everyone but if you buy the game without knowing anything about it there's literally no indication about stuff like Phoenix Wright's turnabout mode, there's a reason this game didn't do as hot among casual players as it should have)
With changes like these I honestly think Marvel would have the potential to start going back up there with SFV and the Smash games in terms of tournament/stream numbers.
-General rebalancing (i hate morrigan a lot make iron fist good instead)
-Bug fixes (tac infinites were a mistake)
-Revisit H&H (unlocking cards was ridiculous, no offline versus was a big misstep)
-Make the stages work (kill any slowdown or input delay, maybe increase brightness on characters for some of the darker ones or do something to help them stand out against the busier ones)
-Include all the DLC (i mean SF4 did it)
-Brand new in-game tutorials??? (I know it doesn't interest everyone but if you buy the game without knowing anything about it there's literally no indication about stuff like Phoenix Wright's turnabout mode, there's a reason this game didn't do as hot among casual players as it should have)
With changes like these I honestly think Marvel would have the potential to start going back up there with SFV and the Smash games in terms of tournament/stream numbers.
You said mvc3 looks bad compared to mvc2? Lol