I knew you were joking btw I was hoping a mod would change your tag to that for shits and giggles to mess with 4chan lol.
Polytron Hacked?
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I mean he's spiteful an petulant on the best of days, but that would be a bit much, especially when it hurts his coworkers.
But certainly the authorities should investigate every angle when they try to get to the bottom of this hack.
Well if it is, then I apologize. That's what I had heard, and I didn't realize someone had debunked that.
Pyccko
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That stuff (personal addresses, bank info, SSN) was all on the front page of the Polytron website. The file apparently had all kinds of financial records, contracts, QA and certification files and junk.
I see differing accounts on what was posted and if it was misinformation.
I think a bunch of Quinn's info was posted before by an attack and it turned out that all of the information was false?
If it's actually real info, then I feel sorry for Fish even if he is an asshole so often; I feel much more sorry for his co-workers though to fall victim to something due to another employee being outspoken.
Owch; pretty heavy stuff.
I've gathered as much since.
This doesn't make sense at all.
There are shitty people everywhere and there always has been. There are also great people everywhere. It is true that anonymity makes people less filtered but it doesn't change who they are inside it just allows them to express it more freely as opposed to behind peoples backs like in the real world.
PLASTICA-MAN
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WTF is Polytron?
hodayathink
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And even ignoring all the personal info (i.e. if you believed it to be fake), the Steam/Sony/MS stuff that was leaked are the type of things that are under NDA, and if it came out that he leaked them himself he'd be opening himself and Polytron up to lawsuits that would cost him a lot of money.
Why do you think that is the problem to focus on? It's weird that the specifics of what forum the hacker hanged out on are such a big focus for so many people. It takes one person to break into someone's account. They could hang out on any forum. Why would it matter at all? It's a complete non-sequitor.
The 'problem' is the community reaction, the problem was evident to anyone reading through thousands and thousands of posts full of rage and conspiracy theories and just plain meanness to an extent I used to think only happened in tiny corners of the internet, but I am now seeing on the most mainstream of gaming discussion sites.
WHY WOULD YOU BOTHER LEAKING YOUR OWN INFORMATION TO SELL POLYTRON. IF HE WANTED TO SELL THE COMPANY HE COULD JUST SHOW INTERESTED PARTIES HIS INFORMATION WITHOUT LEAKING HIS PAYPAL AND PERSONAL SHIT TO THE REST OF THE INTERNET.
NO ONE WANTS TO BE DOXED. PERHAPS ACCEPT THAT FOR ONCE FISH ISN'T THE BIGGEST CUNT INVOLVED?
NO ONE WANTS TO BE DOXED. PERHAPS ACCEPT THAT FOR ONCE FISH ISN'T THE BIGGEST CUNT INVOLVED?
The person's #2 point is completely false: It was uploaded to a remote mirror from the start.
The person's evidence is bullshit.
The person's accusation is stupid.
The person is actively trying to mislead you.
The conspiracy theory angle is asinine.
People who publicly consider that it may be plausible need to stop and think about why they are publicly debasing their own intelligence.
Edit: Spruced up the formatting.
Also, I hate to quote like a time traveler but also this:
I dunno. I kinda understand Fish's attitude, even if it's a bit extreme.
I used to run a videogame forum, much like NeoGAF, and gamers can be some of the worst fucking people. I can only imagine the kind of shit he gets from them.
iNvid02
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the fire that's fuelling these theories are the claims against Quinn lying about getting "doxxed" (god I fucking hate that word)
it's just one big ball of shit, and it seems like there isn't any evidence buried inside to make sense of this shitball either
I haven't been able to keep up with the entire thread but is there a way to get some verification from mods? My head is spinning with some are saying there's malware and porn in the files and others saying actual NDA and other sensitive information were inside.
Even point #1 is wrong -- the website wasn't 'hosted' on Cloudflare, it was doing what Cloudflare does, proxy between the real webserver and the users, so if you update the primary server it updates the cloudflare cache.
Numerous posters in this thread have verified the files contain many private documents like NDAs.
Riposte
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Thousands and thousands of posts is still a vocal minority, a very vocal one.
But again, I wasn't speaking about general meanness, merely the obsessive fight taken to Quinn and Fish (or similar examples). I would say there's a difference between the person sharing evidence that implicates self-doxxing (in their minds, not mine lol) and the redditor or forum goer who casually makes a misogynistic comment after hearing about "Five Guys", and perhaps that's a difference between the former and the people harassing people on twitter for being "SJWs".
Okay. Thank you.
That was all you had to say in that particular post. All the rest that you added is pretty much totally unnecessary. The more people try to shame others into not looking at something, the more they are usually motivated to look at it.
jim-jam bongs
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CAPSLOCK IS IN THIS CASE CRUISE CONTROL TO TROOF
Gotcha. Don't need anyone to quote me anymore though, it's embarrassing.
pantsonhead
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That's not really an excuse. I'm not saying Fish deserves to be shit on in this case or any other, but taking crap is just a part of being in the public eye and he needs to learn how to handle it. But how Fish interacts with others on social media isn't really the topic here.
Son of Cervantes
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This is interesting. If the hack did originate from within Polytron, and assuming there's some central location for the company, then the access to Phil's Dropbox (possibly accessible to other members of the dev team, or at least login cookies cached on Fish's computer) seems possible, as well as having access to a server with such volatile documents. Those kinds of things are what you'd want offsite, with multiple copies backed up on external drives. Same with accessing the Polytron Twitter account, on the off-chance it was cached on one of the work machines.
It might not have necessarily been Fish, but someone close to him that didn't condone his behavior. I'm curious to see how this whole thing eventually pans out.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Anonymity combined with lax moderation on the internet doesn't necessarily create shitty behavior and bigotry, it just leaves it unfiltered. Most people posting bad things on 4chan are likely old enough to have formed those beliefs already (and also demonstrably try to spread this stuff on heavily moderated forums, too) so there's little sense in scapegoating the site or overall community in itself.
Read the thread. People have seen the data and Fish would be insane to have "leaked" the info himself. Anyone suggesting otherwise is being pretty silly.
pantsonhead
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No one can *confirm* anything, but all of the evidence seems to point that it wasn't some sort of inside job.
Please, please, everyone do this. This has just been an awful week for horrible things and negativity. Please try and spread something positive.
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So, 1password used to sync passwords through Dropbox, and seeing that Zoe's Dropbox was hacked the is likely how it all happened.
They accessed his Dropbox, which may have had an old database, and it got passwords to servers and accounts that haven't had their passwords changed.
The only reason I assume it was an old password database is that if it had his personal Twitter password, it was an old one, and the Polytron one probably stayed the same all this time for business reasons.
That or the password database was strictly a company one.
1password also creates vcards for Social Security Numbers, Bank Accounts, WiFi Passwords and Driver Licenses.
They accessed his Dropbox, which may have had an old database, and it got passwords to servers and accounts that haven't had their passwords changed.
The only reason I assume it was an old password database is that if it had his personal Twitter password, it was an old one, and the Polytron one probably stayed the same all this time for business reasons.
That or the password database was strictly a company one.
1password also creates vcards for Social Security Numbers, Bank Accounts, WiFi Passwords and Driver Licenses.
Data was definitely leaked, nobody knows if all the data in it is misinformation or real. The hacker could have added shit to make it seem like he did more then he did(in reality he could be a script kiddy). Right now we dont know much and the rumors are everywhere right now. Best thing to do at this point is wait. I personally was not willing to touch the link, because I didnt trust what was in it. Now I kinda wish I did, just so I could confirm stuff. There is nothing right now that points to Phil(or anyone) as the hacker, just a whole lot of unknown.
Cyborgmatt said that at least some of the information leaked was definitely true.
I didn't read your post but I just noticed we've been posting about the same shit and our profile pictures are almost identical. Lol. Two dudes with crossed arms looking in the same direction.
Giolon
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But the 1Password Keychain itself is encrypted. I have not heard of one being hacked before. Though it is possible the attacker had the master password to the keychain.
Uncle Rupee
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I just want to point out how ridiculous it is that he thinks that cancelling his own projects is like some sort of punishment to people (projects nobody was aware of or could possibly care about). This happened before he was hacked.
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...he...he's fucking with you.
Steve Youngblood
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People are now messing with David Gallant's family due to his indirect association with all this.
I'm sure he's just doing it himself for sympathy, though. This is all part of the SJW master plan. /s
I've seen some hacks in my day. I know one when I see it. This doesn't look like a hack to me.
This is the short of it. Simple guilt by association. Quinn has garnered somewhat of a history at crying wolf about falsified slights against her, such as the Wizardchan "harassment" and the more recent fake doxxing over the whole "Quinnspiracy" debacle. Fish defended Quinn quite vehemently before deleting his twitter account, and considering his connections, knowing or otherwise, to Quinn's past illicit relationships, it's pretty easy to jump to conclusions, especially with the holes in the story (speed of reupload, lack of confirmed doxxing info).
Of course, the idea of collusion in this regard has no hard evidence to it outside of tabloid-tier implications. Evidence suggests it was an inside job, though, and /v/ would make an easy scapegoat considering the associated controversy that's making people doubt Fish in the first place, so who knows.
Uncle Rupee
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Did anyone believe he actually had multiple projects to be cancelled in the first place? Probably not. But saying he is cancelling them as a form of punishment just feeds into what people hate about the guy.
Mikey Jr.
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Not defending the hack, but fish is a prick. He likes seeing his name on the internet, so he dangles fez 2 infront of people to make headlines.
He knows people want the game, so he takes it hostage. He cancels it over the stupidest bullshit, says he'll uncancel it, then cancels it again saying we don't deserve it.
Now he's babbling about selling everything. I'm calling his bluff. He ain't selling shit.
This guy seriously needs to leave twitter.
He knows people want the game, so he takes it hostage. He cancels it over the stupidest bullshit, says he'll uncancel it, then cancels it again saying we don't deserve it.
Now he's babbling about selling everything. I'm calling his bluff. He ain't selling shit.
This guy seriously needs to leave twitter.
People are now messing with David Gallant's family due to his indirect association with all this.
I'm sure he's just doing it himself for sympathy, though. This is all part of the SJW master plan. /s
And now he's not putting his game on Steam. Take that, gamers.
Who is this?
Glass Shark
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Just want to restate these points again in one easy-to-read list, because apparently about once per page isn't enough:
1. CloudFlare is not the host of the Polytron website. It is a CDN / caching layer that many websites use for different reasons. When you look up the host of a CloudFlare-enabled site, it will come back as CloudFlare regardless of the actual host.
2. No one needed access to CloudFlare in order to access the Polytron web server. They just needed FTP or web admin credentials, which they apparently had.
3. Two-factor authentication is not even mandatory on CloudFlare like that imgur says it is.
4. The dox archive was not from the Polytron web server anyway, it was from the Polytron corporate Dropbox which was also hacked (and likely the vector of all the other attacks).
5. The idea that if Polytron's Twitter was hacked, Phil's must also magically be hacked just doesn't hold water. It's possible Phil set up extra security on his own account as a result of seeing Zoe and others get hacked and doxxed but didn't bother or remember to do it on the Polytron account as well.
Every single point about how this must have been a false flag is easily debunked with facts and logic. But whatever, people will keep believing what they want to believe.
1. CloudFlare is not the host of the Polytron website. It is a CDN / caching layer that many websites use for different reasons. When you look up the host of a CloudFlare-enabled site, it will come back as CloudFlare regardless of the actual host.
2. No one needed access to CloudFlare in order to access the Polytron web server. They just needed FTP or web admin credentials, which they apparently had.
3. Two-factor authentication is not even mandatory on CloudFlare like that imgur says it is.
4. The dox archive was not from the Polytron web server anyway, it was from the Polytron corporate Dropbox which was also hacked (and likely the vector of all the other attacks).
5. The idea that if Polytron's Twitter was hacked, Phil's must also magically be hacked just doesn't hold water. It's possible Phil set up extra security on his own account as a result of seeing Zoe and others get hacked and doxxed but didn't bother or remember to do it on the Polytron account as well.
Every single point about how this must have been a false flag is easily debunked with facts and logic. But whatever, people will keep believing what they want to believe.
Oh no, sounds like a huge loss to the community.
BUNTING1243
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People are actually saying this was a "false flag"? Jesus Christ.
I can't stand Phil Fish. He really is an arrogant, selfish, and pretentious baby who plagues the industry (just my opinion, sorry).
But this is horrible. No individual, no matter how much of an ass they act as, should go through this. I am actually very sorry to hear about this. Hope he can recover from something as devastating as this.
But this is horrible. No individual, no matter how much of an ass they act as, should go through this. I am actually very sorry to hear about this. Hope he can recover from something as devastating as this.
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