Pope Francis condemns children being taught about transgender choice

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"Today, children are taught this at school: that everyone can choose their own sex."

"And why do they teach this? Because the books come from those people and institutions who give money."

Pope Francis added that he had discussed the matter with his predecessor, Pope Benedict, who still lives at the Vatican and described it as “the epoch of sin against God the Creator”.
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more anti-transgender language at the link. perhaps the next pope will be more progressive.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...hoice-as-an-annihilation-of-man-a3310646.html
 
To be fair what exactly did you think the Pope of all people would have said about transgender people.
 
Not surprising from him but people will still sing his praise next time he says something super progressive like "we shouldn't murder gays".
 
Sheesh. That's... really pretty awful to say.

azyless said:
Not surprising from him but people will still sing his praise next time he says something super progressive like "we shouldn't murder gays".
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Sadly, for some, that is progressive. I'm not defending the outdated thinking the church commonly supports, but continual baby steps will eventually carry them closer to an actual "love one another" place.
 
azyless said:
Not surprising from him but people will still sing his praise next time he says something super progressive like "we shouldn't murder gays".
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Count on it. The way some fawn over him and whitewash his homophobia and transphobia is pathetic.
 
If God doesn't want people having transgender experiences maybe he should pay more attention when creating them
 
"Today, children are taught this at school: that everyone can choose their own sex."

"And why do they teach this? Because the books come from those people and institutions who give money."
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Yes, I'm sure the Catholic Church doesn't spend vast sums trying to influence what children read in textbooks. No sir.
 
A solemn reminder of how ill equipped most leaders are in these subjects, but nevertheless feel they must contribute to because of their political capital.
 
"Old white people in Europe talk to God."

I don't care how nicely you package this myth, I don't care how many liberal gestures the current face of this institution makes.

It's an utter farce. Grow up humanity. This is a cult.
 
"And why do they teach this? Because the books come from those people and institutions who give money."

Lol. At least these books were written this millenium.
 
the sole idea of thinking the pope has actual power in some people makes me laugh

learned to not take that person seriously


it's an old dude, using a robe, speaking nonsense, does that sound crazy? yes it does, but he has gold and people kissing his feet..
 
To think that transgender people choose their gender is to completely misunderstand what being transgender is. It's not as though transgender people chose to have gender dysphoria.
 
Isn't gender not a choice though? Aren't people with dysforia born with the gender they are except it doesn't match their sex?

I might be confused on this but don't trans people not "choose" gender but simply choose to change their sex to match their gender. So sex being a choice but gender no?

I admit I'm woefully ignorant on this matter. Anyone who is transgendered could help me understand that'd be so great.
 
Minishdriveby said:
The thing is you can hold both opinions of him.
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What opinions ? He's not progressive in any way, his views on LGBT and women issues are still the same old bullshit wrapped up in a slightly better PR package.

OnPoint said:
Sadly, for some, that is progressive. I'm not defending the outdated thinking the church commonly supports, but continual baby steps will eventually carry them closer to an actual "love one another" place.
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Sure, baby steps are better than nothing, but I'm personally not going to celebrate someone for "baby steps" that should have been taken decades ago.
 
DedValve said:
Isn't gender not a choice though? Aren't people with dysforia born with the gender they are except it doesn't match their sex?

I might be confused on this but don't trans people not "choose" gender but simply choose to change their sex to match their gender. So sex being a choice but gender no?

I admit I'm woefully ignorant on this matter. Anyone who is transgendered could help me understand that'd be so great.
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Essentially yes. But lots of people don't accept that this is a real thing that happens, despite the literature.
 
azyless said:
Sure, baby steps are better than nothing, but I'm personally not going to celebrate someone for "baby steps" that should have been taken decades ago.
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I'm not sure how you reconcile the former with the latter. You artificially designed a response to something no one is asking of you just to disagree with it.
 
azyless said:
What opinions ? He's not progressive in any way, his views on LGBT and women issues are still the same old bullshit wrapped up in a slightly better PR package.


Sure, baby steps are better than nothing, but I'm personally not going to celebrate someone for "baby steps" that should have been taken decades ago.
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He is actually looking into female deacons. I think we had a topic on it like a day ago. Its not a given of course and I'm sure there will be a lot of push back from the more hardline conservative sections still in the Church but that would be fairly huge. Letting priests actually get married would be another big step in normalizing things in the church.
 
azyless said:
Sure, baby steps are better than nothing, but I'm personally not going to celebrate someone for "baby steps" that should have been taken decades ago.
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I agree with you and am not arguing against this at all. The Catholic Church has been decades behind in terms of acceptance of basic human rights for probably as long as its existed.
 
DontBeThatGuy said:
Stop looking towards religious figures to teach you anything. (Rev. William Barber is kind of dope though)
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Archbishop Desmond Tutu is a religious leader with a good track record of supporting LGBT rights. Even as an atheist I often find myself curious enough to look at his input on things.
 
E92 M3 said:
I'm not a Catholic, but he's obviously not a piece of shit and done more good for the world than you, I bet. Just because we don't agree with him, doesn't make him a piece of shit.

Certain things he can't talk about.
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Ehhhhhhhhh nah

catholicism is pretty sketchy. "Internally" dealing with pedophilia. Keeping poor families poor by banning them from using contraception thus encouraging them to have more children than they can support. Taking donations to fund ornate, privileged buildings right next to slums.
 
jediyoshi said:
I'm not sure how you reconcile the former with the latter. You artificially designed a response to something no one is asking of you just to disagree with it.
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What ? I'm saying the whole "#BESTPOPE" thing is way overblown and celebrating someone for doing the absolute minimum he should do is wrong.

HStallion said:
He is actually looking into female deacons. I think we had a topic on it like a day ago. Its not a given of course and I'm sure there will be a lot of push back from the more hardline conservative sections still in the Church but that would be fairly huge. Letting priests actually get married would be another big step in normalizing things in the church.
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Good. He's also actively and vocally working against abortion rights and same-sex marriage, protecting church figures from child rape accusations, etc.
 
HStallion said:
He is actually looking into female deacons. I think we had a topic on it like a day ago. Its not a given of course and I'm sure there will be a lot of push back from the more hardline conservative sections still in the Church but that would be fairly huge. Letting priests actually get married would be another big step in normalizing things in the church.
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Can't wait for this cult to adopt the gender equality standards of the wider culture of half a century ago. It might allow them to adapt and survive in the modern world and perpetuate themselves into the future, which will be just "great"..
 
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