By virtue of being Pope he has probably also done more bad for the world too. For instance he is currently protecting an Australian cardinal from facing accusations over child abuse.
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Pope Francis condemns children being taught about transgender choice
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By virtue of being Pope he has probably also done more bad for the world too. For instance he is currently protecting an Australian cardinal from facing accusations over child abuse.
I'm pretty sure the bible says nothing about transgenderism.
Don Draper's Hat
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Yeah. Stay away from church.
Sorry, but no. I don't believe doing good things buys you credit you can use to get away with saying terrible things.
Yes, pope, follow the money. The big transgender lobbyists don't want you to know they control Washington.
It's a bad, apologetic argument. It's not your life or business, go fuck yourself is a much better argument.
It's a bad, apologetic argument. It's not your life or business, go fuck yourself is a much better argument.
DiipuSurotu
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Damn, Benedict still living a Pope life, without the disavantages of a Pope life.
dapperbandit
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I don't get this lingering obsession with the Pope's stances on issues like this...
Why are you looking to the leader of Catholicism to stand up for this, why would you expect that? Why would you be disappointed if he let you down by like, being all Catholic about it.
Why are you looking to the leader of Catholicism to stand up for this, why would you expect that? Why would you be disappointed if he let you down by like, being all Catholic about it.
This is the most progressive pope the catholic church will get. Doubt his successor of the next ones will try to do the things this one has done.
Did I say he wasn't? My point is he still and old white Catholic Man from South America that holds some ignorant views that are reinforced by Church Dogma but he is trying to bring some change to a huge, monolithic organization that is not used to change.
CalamityPixel
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He's the Pope. I can't believe a lot of Gaffers thought this wouldn't be his views, or at least his religions views.
I think some people have the impression that the Pope can do whatever he wants and just makes stuff up without having to justify it. There's centuries of theology behind what he said.
Anyway, there's a big difference between saying "this is a sin" and "countries should outlaw this". Nobody gets freaked out when the Pope says divorce or adultery is a sin.
No you didn't I was just expanding. In the end people will do what they want but I personally am done excusing this behavior, nevermind celebrating it. I think his progresiveness and the amount of changes he wants to bring are way overblown and I'm just tired of it.
DiipuSurotu
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He did say atheists and gays can go to heaven, which isn't a very Catholic thing to say.
Slurpy2k20
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Oh, fuck off. Love how people are now going to rip into him and trash him to no end, even while he's spend almost all his time as Pope enraging the right wing by adapting more progressive and liberal views about almost everything. No, he's not an awful person, he's proven already that he's quite a commendable human being that actually cares about humanity, especially the less fortunate. I'm not Christian, but it's clear to me that it's night and day between him and the previous Pope.
Silent Chief
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Well, there's many children that fall in a grey area and don't know what sex they are.
The experts are saying not too rush anything and let time sort it out.
There are a large numbers of conditions that can affect sexual identity and the choice is of course how you deal with it.
Some people are afraid of spiders. Some are afraid of mice. Some are afraid of snakes.
Would it be a good idea to bring all those things to a grade 2 class and let the kids play with them? Not every parents would agree.
There was a guy in high school that was hanging up with the girls, presumably discussing girl stuff. I don't know that it bothered anyone. I wonder if he would have liked to be singled out in sex ed classes.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I hate Ratzinger but can we start becoming more imaginative than calling any german we dislike a nazi?
get outta here he condones children being hit even thinks its commendabek
old manatee
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That's bad pope. Fuck you up.
You're conflating sex and gender a lot. They're not the same thing and you shouldn't use the terms interchangeably.
You're also broaching the topic I think that frightens a lot of people: allowing children to play a role in their diagnosis of being transgender or not. When is the "right time"? You used the phrase "let time sort it out" which is hard to do in some cases. Gender dysphoria isn't something that's cured by time, and I've heard transgender folks say they knew that they knew from an early age. It's also a topic I don't know much about, so I won't speak much more about it personally.
No he didn't, he was misunderstood about atheists :
and the best thing he's ever said about gays is basically "they're sinners but god will be the one to judge them".
Onlinehero
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It's the pope! There's never an argument, you either agree or disagree.
Always shocked when folks fell for that bullshit. He say a few right things and suddenly the Catholic church corrects a thousand years of fuckery? Nah. New pope same as the old just with better PR
peanutbutterlatte
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Right. And the Vatican is run 100% non-profit...
Vermillion
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This is the internet. It's more important for being a good person to have a flawless record of statements on all issues and do nothing positive than to have a mixed record of statements and do plenty positive on some issues. Hell, there's no spectrum of good to bad; it's just seen as binary: perfect on all, no action required, or you're shit.
It's not even "slacktivism" because that word implies the lazy critique is part of some activity. Slacktimony feels like a more accurate portmanteau.
In France there's been talks on including the concept of gender in schools via children books, etc. I don't know if it's actually been done or not, I'd have to ask my mom about it. I doubt it though since I heard scandalized parents forced the scool to cancel an event (a children's book fair of some sort) simply because some of those books were present.
Gentleman Jack
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That might have been the joke.
Chainsawkitten
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The epoch of sin: children being raped taught "trans people exist".
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