KingT731
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It takes the SS when you press the input. The notification is slow as all hell.
Possible PS5 leak info
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TimFL
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It sure as hell does not. Whenever I take a screenshot of something and check on it after the notification pops up, it's always a blurry mess showing a scene that happens 5-10 seconds after I pressed the button. I guess my Pro is borked then.
And by background task downloading I mean the original promise they gave on their initial reveal event: a secondary CPU that is low power and does all the standby downloading etc. Said chip ended up being far too underpowered to do proper downloads, so they ended up using the main APU to do downloads (fans kick on etc).
bhunachicken
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It does sound like there's something up with your Pro. My 3 year old base PS4 takes screenshots instantly. Maybe try rebuilding the db / restart in safe mode. If all else fails, backup everything and do a system reset.
TimFL
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I take them in the higher quality format though, maybe that's it.
Grinchy
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Yeah, when they allocated less resources to the OS without actually re-writing the OS to use less resources, it has become a clunky, slow mess. I used to like taking screenshots and videos but now it's such a hassle. Almost all functions of the OS have gotten worse after one of the major firmware updates.
LSWilson
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you can say that again!
FranXico
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When did they reduce the OS reserved memory?
Gamernyc78
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Ps4 screenshots use to be fast initially, in time like anything else with the added features bloating things the screenshots started to take longer and longer.
mckmas8808
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This is crazy, because I'm not seeing any slowdown when taking screenshots of my games.
Grinchy
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lol I dunno if it really happened I just remember reading that they were "optimizing" it or something and giving resources back to developers. And suddenly the OS sucks donkey dicks.
It probably varies on a game-by-game basis. The new COD makes the rest of the PS4 run like a Packard Bell.
Imtjnotu
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Nothing ever came of it
mckmas8808
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Sucks so much. I fell for too. :-/
Imtjnotu
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We all were hyped.
Dabaus
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Darn.
LordOfChaos
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I'm hoping the ARM subsystem is powerful enough this coming round to not only do background downloads without touching the APU (and thus fan and power consumption), but also eliminate the 1.5(ish) x86 core OS reservation on the present PS4.
Particularly with shared cache and MC contention and such, the benefits of dedicated the Ryzen cores solely to the game could be slightly in excess of just 1.5/8ths.
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Imtjnotu
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Its wishful thinking but if soky could use a mid level exynos or snap dragon there wouldn't be a problem. They currently use mediatek in their TVs and Android on the TVs is trash
bhunachicken
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That would put them at the mercy of Qualcomm or Samsung to provide any security updates and support for those chips. It's an issue that has been blighting Android devices for nearly a decade. Qualcomm develop the entire SOC and if they decide to pull support after X years, you can forget it. Sony might want Qualcomm or Samsung to give 10 years of support to the machines, but those two would rather you buy a whole new device so they can sell you chips.
Put it this way: the Linux kernel in many Android phones is stuck at 3.18, which was released in December 2014, with no way to upgrade. This is very, very important when kernel exploits are discovered and need to be patched.
LordOfChaos
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They don't necessarily need them, any off the shelf ARM core from the last year would run circles around the one in the PS4 and costs very little, the current ARM subsystem I don't think is any off the shelf SoC from Samsung or Qualcomm, but just an ARM core with a small subsystem built around it.
Toss even something modest like two A72s in there and it would scream, and hopefully be able to take over the entire OS role from the x86 cores apart from listeners on the x86 cores.
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Lort
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There seems to be the impression that the OS does mostly background tasks. In reality the OS does a lot of servicies as part of the real time nature of tne game and needs to be highly optimised and responsive for the game to perform.
Networking, sound and the graphics libraries are all part of the OS. Applications feed data back and forth from the operating system which is part of why the reason unified memory is a good idea.
Networking, sound and the graphics libraries are all part of the OS. Applications feed data back and forth from the operating system which is part of why the reason unified memory is a good idea.
THE:MILKMAN
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To quote QI: 'Nobody knows'. Osiris is very much around but keeping a low profile. I guess we aren't going to get any info or explanation for the silence.
HeisenbergFX4
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I have thought all along he is just making educated guesses based on what everyone else thinks.
The posts he has made should have been done in IMs to the mods and not openly saying he has info and he is going to open the floodgates and when he gets home posting everything he has.
THE:MILKMAN
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I can only assume he did/does work at GameStop because he was Bish verified at the time of his PS4K thread. I was one of a couple of people that questioned parts of that info but got nowhere with it.
In hindsight a lot of the Neo info seems to have been highly embellished and/or fed to him by others as I doubt the kind of info coming out would need to be shared with retail (to give one example)
HeisenbergFX4
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Something else fake to add.
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dreamcastluvr
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LoL- fake as hell clickbait as per usual
mckmas8808
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So ugly.
HeisenbergFX4
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I can believe this being the real design.
Toe-Knee
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Shame it was proven to be fake and even says so in that article.
I quite like that design
ANIMAL1975
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Needs to be more square and fat (not joking) and i'm all in!
Kdad
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t3 is garbage
SlashBringingHasher
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Do not believe of even click on rumors until you hear a surge of rumors in that day . Anyway we will get the real rumors next year
mckmas8808
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Pressure sensors on the controller grips
Not sure if I like this, but it's interesting.....
DeepEnigma
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Pressure sensors on the controller grips
What does the '130' read as?
Pressure sensitive (analog) buttons possibly coming back?
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It's just showing the buttons as examples of input , ( but in a way the pressure sensors would be like having the analog buttons back but now they will probably find a use for it lol)
DeepEnigma
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Yeah, they were great for racing games prior to triggers and affordable wheel options.
Actually the second thing I thought about the pressure sensors being used for (after squeezing virtual body parts lol ) was ATV / dirt bike / motorcycle games.
Von Hugh
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I just started thinking about the controller, VR, performance, and the price of the console again.
- Pressure sensitivity, depth camera and a touch screen (instead of a touchpad) on the controller are very likely. Not probably with those exact shenanigans, but it is quite certain that they will want to 'crust' the peripheral with all they can to get more profit out of the controller sales. Probably due to the fact local multiplayer just isn't that popular anymore, and they aren't selling that many controllers per console like in the past. And on a more dire note; the controllers are going to be more prone to breaking down due to the tech, and you can bet they will want to cash on that instead of just selling more controllers. No harm in that, though, it's just business. Sony probably also wants to replace the Share and Options buttons + the LED light with the new touch screen.
- VR will be integrated in the console and the controller somehow. Again, trying to drive the sales of peripherals, PS5 will have the basis to have VR. But Sony probably won't shoehorn VR like Microsoft did with Kinect at launch by bundling it 'as a must', an integral part of the console and the experience. But it will be enabled. There will most likely be VR bundles too, sure, but there's going to be a version without it as well.
- The price has to be under 500 dollars. Be it 499 or 399, but somewhere under 500 anyways. You can always pull the argument that people are buying devices such as iPhones every two years anyways, but you still have to take into consideration the value proposition of those devices. PlayStation is just for gaming. With VR or without it.
- What does that price mean for the specs and power of the console? The console might in fact be the monster that was touted in one of the leaks, and AMD knows based on PS4 history that Sony can push some serious mass of the consoles to the consumers. Sony might get a good deal on the hardware, and since the architecture is now somewhat already familiar to both Sony and AMD, the manufacturing processes have matured resulting to cheaper hardware. If economies of scale doesn't still carry that big of a reduction on price, maybe Sony will try to push for a price of something like 449. They certainly have the position to do that in the current markets. Plus, like already said, there's money to be made through peripherals such as VR as well.
- Pressure sensitivity, depth camera and a touch screen (instead of a touchpad) on the controller are very likely. Not probably with those exact shenanigans, but it is quite certain that they will want to 'crust' the peripheral with all they can to get more profit out of the controller sales. Probably due to the fact local multiplayer just isn't that popular anymore, and they aren't selling that many controllers per console like in the past. And on a more dire note; the controllers are going to be more prone to breaking down due to the tech, and you can bet they will want to cash on that instead of just selling more controllers. No harm in that, though, it's just business. Sony probably also wants to replace the Share and Options buttons + the LED light with the new touch screen.
- VR will be integrated in the console and the controller somehow. Again, trying to drive the sales of peripherals, PS5 will have the basis to have VR. But Sony probably won't shoehorn VR like Microsoft did with Kinect at launch by bundling it 'as a must', an integral part of the console and the experience. But it will be enabled. There will most likely be VR bundles too, sure, but there's going to be a version without it as well.
- The price has to be under 500 dollars. Be it 499 or 399, but somewhere under 500 anyways. You can always pull the argument that people are buying devices such as iPhones every two years anyways, but you still have to take into consideration the value proposition of those devices. PlayStation is just for gaming. With VR or without it.
- What does that price mean for the specs and power of the console? The console might in fact be the monster that was touted in one of the leaks, and AMD knows based on PS4 history that Sony can push some serious mass of the consoles to the consumers. Sony might get a good deal on the hardware, and since the architecture is now somewhat already familiar to both Sony and AMD, the manufacturing processes have matured resulting to cheaper hardware. If economies of scale doesn't still carry that big of a reduction on price, maybe Sony will try to push for a price of something like 449. They certainly have the position to do that in the current markets. Plus, like already said, there's money to be made through peripherals such as VR as well.
Von Hugh
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And regarding a mid generation refresh, maybe there won't really be one this time. This would go hand on hand with the new console being pretty powerful. They have learned of how the weak Jaguar processor affected the whole generation, and they don't suddenly have to start catering to the emerged 4K market and its demanding performance requirements this time. 4K is the main native goal this time. Sony most likely wants to keep the generation short and sweet to create a proper generational leap, and a clearer distinction between the current generation as well as the generation after PlayStation 5.
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I have reasons to believe that PS5 is really 4 PS4 GPU chiplets & really will have GDDR5 memory at a really high bandwidth because the chips will be stacked on the GPU CU's
osirisblack said PS5 had 18 GBs of GDDR5 @ over 800GB/s this sound crazy but if they are 3D stacking PS4 chiplets it could be 1GB of GDDR5 connected to ever 4 CU's.
Bonus the same chiplets can be used for cloud gaming severs to stream PS4 & PS5 games .
osirisblack said PS5 had 18 GBs of GDDR5 @ over 800GB/s this sound crazy but if they are 3D stacking PS4 chiplets it could be 1GB of GDDR5 connected to ever 4 CU's.
Bonus the same chiplets can be used for cloud gaming severs to stream PS4 & PS5 games .
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ExpandKong
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I have reasons to believe that PS5 is really 4 PS4 GPU chiplets & really will have GDDR5 memory at a really high bandwidth because the chips will be stacked on the GPU CU's
osirisblack said PS5 had 18 GBs of GDDR5 @ over 800GB/s this sound crazy but if they are 3D stacking PS4 chiplets it could be 1GB of GDDR5 connected to ever 4 CU's.
Bonus the same chiplets can be used for cloud gaming severs to stream PS4 & PS5 games .
Oh god now they're duct taping PS4s together.
ethomaz
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They will definitely use 7nm for APU.
No 7nm = no PS5
The opposite.
Smaller chip = cheap.
So a 7nm version of PS4 chip will be cheaper than actual 16nm.
But of course for PS5 they will use the addiction space to add power to in the end have a chip similar to PS4 chip with way more power.
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