benjipwns
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He has the endorsement of two, yes, TWO, New Hampshire State Senators. There's only 14 Republican State Senators!
He's basically going "all in" on New Hampshire because he's 70 and got nothing better to do.
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Post-CNN GOP debate poll: Fiorina surges to 2nd place, Furby falls 8% points
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He's basically going "all in" on New Hampshire because he's 70 and got nothing better to do.
brainchild
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I'd like to know this as well. We don't even know if he's still alive.
Well there you go.
exmachina64
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http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/07/15/george-pataki-posts-weakest-gop-fundraising-tally/
Edit: To summarize, Pataki had only raised ~$300k as of his last disclosure. Probably hasn't raised much more.
benjipwns
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He was just at the debate towering over everyone and looking menacing with Santorum:
Or just towering over Lindsey Graham:
brainchild
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He was just at the debate towering over everyone and looking frightening with Santorum:
Pretty sure that's doctored. In fact, I'm pretty sure his campaign is just one big hoax. Don't believe the lies!
Kinda looks that way
IdreamofHIME
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Sounds like Jeb needs to invent a story about seeing a dying fetus on a table while people talking about harvesting it's brain.
Bam Bam Baklava
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CNN poll has been overstating some of these non-Trump candidate numbers consistently. I suspect Fiorina is closer to 9-10% as shown in other polls.
ZoltanXerxes
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If Fiorina gets in were all doomed. Her idea of Foreign policy is a bomb shelter in every backyard.
Bam Bam Baklava
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If Fiorina gets in we're all HP.
Antiwhippy
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Also gain political brownie points by lying about how her child died.
In this political age, that will earn him more votes than half the GOP field.
Jawbreaker
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That was Benji's point. The Republican base largely does not support sensible foreign policy or ending the War on Drugs, which is exemplified by the poll results.
Most of the people who care about that aspect of the constitution only care about it when brownness is involved.
teruterubozu
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Wow I had no idea Jeb was so tall. He acts so timid.
Rubio is the only slightly scare one in a the general. Still think he would have to really outperform with hispanics to take it home though. I would find it really ironic if the republicans managed to take the popular but lose electoral count which is almost impossible for them not to.
Rubio is their only chance to maybe bring a few states into play and make them viable in a national election for one of the last few times before the demographic shift kneecaps them to statewide and local viability only. Then in 15 years they won't be viable in the senate either. Gerrymandering will ensure stuff like congress and below will be where their strength is after than.
Wish I could say I can't wait, but I do hope somebody hopefully on the left steps up so we don't just have eternal one party rule which is where we're headed unless something really cataclysmic occurs.
Rubio is their only chance to maybe bring a few states into play and make them viable in a national election for one of the last few times before the demographic shift kneecaps them to statewide and local viability only. Then in 15 years they won't be viable in the senate either. Gerrymandering will ensure stuff like congress and below will be where their strength is after than.
Wish I could say I can't wait, but I do hope somebody hopefully on the left steps up so we don't just have eternal one party rule which is where we're headed unless something really cataclysmic occurs.
Is he not he standing upon his toes in that photograph?
shadowsdarknes
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Everyone gets a government subsidized bomb shelter! We are helping our military contractor buddies!
Do you need food for your bomb shelter? Screw you, moocher.
Not sure I would completely agree with that characterization, at least based on what I've read about this subject. Fiorina-Hurd seems to have been more a refinement in execution than a fundamental change in strategy, and the overall result was to put HP on more competitive footing again. Now, that didn't quite last post-Hurd, and things haven't looked particularly bright for HP for some time. But things have also changed a lot over the past decade, and it's hard to pin HP's recent troubles on decisions she made more than a decade ago.
Either way, few objective people would say she was anything more than mediocre as HP's CEO. Her time there didn't show she was good at running a large, complicated organization. It also seems hyperbolic to call her a complete failure, though, or to accuse her of running HP into the ground. That doesn't seem borne out by the facts.
He had credibility with both conservatives and moderates, his electoral record in Wisconsin gave him a good argument for his electability in a general election, and earlier on he had a significant lead in Iowa. He seems to me someone who can make conservatives love him, and at the time convince the establishment to back him. Chances are he'll still have some opportunities down the line to capitalize on those strengths, but who knows.
He ticks all the boxes!
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Kasich is the only candidate with a shred of a chance in the general. He comes across as moderate, intelligent, non-Kool Aid drinking, and with a little bit of modernity to his ideas. The rest come across as either dumb, anachronistic, out-of-touch, or outright loathsome. The one exception to that characterization is Rand Paul, who is spot-on on foreign and domestic policy in the way many moderate libertarians tend to be spot-on in those areas, but he comes across so poorly on economic issues that he has no real chance unless Silicon Valley libertarianism comes to replace the current GOP ethos.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
the fact that Trump is leading still is as or MORE baffling
the Republican base are some of the worst people on earth
the Republican base are some of the worst people on earth
shadowsdarknes
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Yep. Kasich probably wouldn't be the worst person to have elected. If he won, I wouldn't be terribly upset aside from the fact that the rest of his party is batshit nuts.
Me thinks the "Muslims are killing real Americans" guy delivered Trumph's first blow to the armor.
Maninthemirror
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No the first blow came when trump called Carly over her appearance, then the second when she called him out on it and the one which sealed the deal was the Muslims question guy
I'm not counting Mark Hurd. He was an "interim" CEO in a lot of ways, taking over shortly after Fiorina was fired and navigating a difficult period in the company's history, so it makes sense that he was from the same strain as she was. He left in personal scandal. I'm more talking about corporate scandal-- the spying scandal, the Autonomy scandal, FCPA issues, etc. Basically I mean I'm not counting him against them.
In any case, I think it's totally fair to say that "she drove the company into the ground" is exaggeration. She was pretty bad and demonstrated no vision or ability to innovate, but it's not like the company went noninvestment grade and sold off half its operations.
Carson had the best suit, I'll give him that.He was just at the debate towering over everyone and looking menacing with Santorum:
He was just at the debate towering over everyone and looking menacing with Santorum:
Gotta love the wide angle shot of Christie.
Netherscourge
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I love how she talks about putting missiles back in Poland like it's no big deal.
Um, maybe Poland might have a problem with that kinda entitlement? Maybe ASK them first if they'll LET us?
Um, maybe Poland might have a problem with that kinda entitlement? Maybe ASK them first if they'll LET us?
There was a huge shitstorm back when it was considered. It would be even worse today.
A Human Becoming
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When you account for the margin of error there's basically three tiers now:
Trump 21-27%
Fiorina 12-18%
Carson 11-17%
Rubio 8-14%
Bush 6-12%
Cruz/Huckabee 3-9%
Paul 1-7%
Christie 0-6%
Kasich 0-5%
Santorum 0-4%
Jim Gilmore/Lindsey Graham/Bobby Jindal/George Pataki/Scott Walker 0-3%
Unless it swings back Trump's way the summer of Trump is looking to be over.
Trump 21-27%
Fiorina 12-18%
Carson 11-17%
Rubio 8-14%
Bush 6-12%
Cruz/Huckabee 3-9%
Paul 1-7%
Christie 0-6%
Kasich 0-5%
Santorum 0-4%
Jim Gilmore/Lindsey Graham/Bobby Jindal/George Pataki/Scott Walker 0-3%
Unless it swings back Trump's way the summer of Trump is looking to be over.
DragonSworne
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Fiorina is a flash in the pan. She is only doing well because Trump decides to make her the topic of discussion.
It all comes to Trump in the end.
It all comes to Trump in the end.
shadowsdarknes
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Is he? Republicans who did much of their governing in the 90s are far more tolerable to me than the new era of tea party types.
Nah its because CNN was pushing her hard.
Wow, that's funny.
I couldn't even believe some of the shit she spewed during the debate. With absolutely no hesitation or sense of irony she outright mandated she'd cut ties with Russia and arm surrounding nations.
She is nuts. Like, I'd rather have Trump than her nuts. And that's saying something.
BoboBrazil
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Yep, their agenda was pretty blatant with how hard they were pushing her.
DragonSworne
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The hosts of Morning Joe on MSNBC were going gaga over her the next morning of the debate.
Why are the 24 hours news network pushing her?
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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They're not morally obligated to do so.
Because, it gets ratings to have the front runner change every few weeks. It's how it was the last election.
Eventually they cycle through all the crazies and then they land on the establishment.
It's always been a Bush/Rubio/Walker race, with Rubio or Martinez getting the VP slot. The GOP is absolutely going after the Hispanic vote in the general. Walker is really the only surprise so far. He's done little to get the base excited.
One of Kasich's first acts as governor was to strip collective bargaining rights like Walker did. The law was put to referendum afterward and 61% of voters voted to repeal it. He's been ridiculously anti-abortion, defunding Planned Parenthood and mandating ultrasounds. He passed sweeping tax cuts to help the rich. He's one of those guys, like Rubio, who acknowledges climate change while doing nothing to actually stop it.
The man is as "moderate" as Jeb is.
It would look like blatant pandering if the VP debate was Castro vs Rubio, frankly. I think whoever commits first will likely get a hispanic and someone will have to draw elsewhere.
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