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Potheads beware. The Trump administration is coming for you

Toparaman

Banned
Like they can do anything about it.

You think the states where it's legal are going to just give up the billions of dollars they're making from weed?

Not happening.

Of course they can do something about it. They're the federal government.

But I doubt they will, because the backlash would be fierce. All the "both sides are the same" potheads would pick a side.
 

gnomed

Member
When it's time for Jeff Sessions to leave this planet, I hope he goes in the way most appropriate for the era in which he lives.

torn-apart-by-horses.jpg
Nearly spat out my drink.
 

Hale-XF11

Member
Of course they can do something about it. They're the federal government.

But I doubt they will, because the backlash would be fierce. All the "both sides are the same" potheads would pick a side.

Nixon couldn't stop it. Reagan couldn't and neither could Bush. Weed is now more popular than it's ever been and only getting more popular. No president in history has ever eradicated it. They can't and never will be able to stop it.
 

Brandon F

Well congratulations! You got yourself caught!
What the fuck did pot ever do to them?

They don't give a shit about pot. It was never about pot. Half of them smoke it!

The war on pot is just an easy access to big money at the taxpayer expense AND it hinders progress for minorities they so desperately abhor. It's a win-win in their eyes and a tactic Republicans have been abusing for decades.
 

Toparaman

Banned
Nixon couldn't stop it. Reagan couldn't and neither could Bush. Weed is now more popular than it's ever been and only getting more popular. No president in history has ever eradicated it. They can't and never will be able to stop it.

Your comment was in reference to states making money off of weed, not the eradication of weed.

The federal government absolutely can stop the legalization of marijuana. And, more relevant to the news at hand, they absolutely can bring back harsher sentencing for possession and distribution.
 

Hale-XF11

Member
Your comment was in reference to states making money off of weed, not the eradication of weed.

The federal government absolutely can stop the legalization of marijuana. And, more relevant to the news at hand, they absolutely can bring back harsher sentencing for possession and distribution.

They can bring back harsher sentencing, but they can't stop states from legalizing it, as is currently evident.
 

Deepwater

Member
They can bring back harsher sentencing, but they can't stop states from legalizing it, as is currently evident.

even in states where it's both decriminalized and recreationally legal, federal agents can still arrest you for it. obviously they aren't stopping people on the street, but there were sting operations in places like colorado even under Obama
 

riotous

Banned
They can bring back harsher sentencing, but they can't stop states from legalizing it, as is currently evident.

They can't stop them from legalizing it; but they can sue states that have legalized it and do all kinds of shit to fuck with legalization. In essence, it's possible for the fed to end legalization.
 
Whatever, the ball has started to roll. And nothing stops this train. This fucking war will be dismantled bit by bit whether they like it or not.
 

The Kree

Banned
Option A: Legalize it everywhere, increasing state revenue and federal revenue via taxation.
Option B: Harsher laws increasing privatized prison profits, and keeping minorities down.

If I were a southern GOP member, what would my stance be...?

Whichever furthers the white power movement sweeping the nation.
 

Deepwater

Member
They can't stop them from legalizing it; but they can sue states that have legalized it and do all kinds of shit to fuck with legalization. In essence, it's possible for the fed to end legalization.

and considering we don't know how the fed penalizing sanctuary cities will play out in court, it's completely premature to believe an overreaching federal government couldn't set back decriminalization and legalizing efforts nationwide
 

Lord Fagan

Junior Member
It's a tired story, and I'm just not swayed by the legal opinions of alleged traitors.

I'm on the right side of history.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
You mean Trump would not want a enlarged national police force for enforcing federal drug laws?
More like Congress already allocated 0 dollars to enforcing drug laws in those states.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
There's a lot of mixed signals coming from the administration. There's a lot of talk, but not much (yet) in the way of action.

Consider this action, though:

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-ondcp-war-on-drugs-director-2017-5

https://twitter.com/JaxAlemany/status/860517340978569217/photo/1


The Trump administration plans to cut 96% of the budget of the Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP), effectively eliminating the federal agency that has traditionally been used to spearhead the war on drugs, according to multiple media reports.

The White House Office of Management and Budget's proposed fiscal year 2018 budget reduces the funding request for ONDCP from $388 million in 2017 to $24 million, according to a leaked memo first reported by CBS News.

In addition, the budget proposes to eliminate multiple grant programs administered by ONDCP, including the High Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas (HIDTA) program and the Drug-Free Communities Support program, which the memo called "duplicative of other efforts across the Federal government and supplant State and local responsibilities."
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
They can't stop them from legalizing it; but they can sue states that have legalized it and do all kinds of shit to fuck with legalization. In essence, it's possible for the fed to end legalization.
I fail to see how this is a thing the federal government can do.
 

Hale-XF11

Member
They can't stop them from legalizing it; but they can sue states that have legalized it and do all kinds of shit to fuck with legalization. In essence, it's possible for the fed to end legalization.

The support and funding just isn't there. They don't have enough of either to stop billions of dollars and millions of people. Over half of the states in the country now has some form of legalization. We're well over the hump now.

Also, it's worth noting that for the current year, the feds are prohibited from going after state marijuana policies, thanks to an amendment in the federal budget.
 
I'm not concerned, I survived the 90's when minor drug offenses were viewed much worse.

Cops out here know what they are looking for
MS13
Heroin
Pain Pills

They are not going to waste their time on weed, it's been to many years of them shrugging their shoulders at it.
 

riotous

Banned
I fail to see how this is a thing the federal government can do.

What? The feds file lawsuits against State and local jurisdictions all the times; the Department of Justice forced the Seattle PD here to make serious changes due to their investigation into racism and police brutality. Obama stopped states via the DOJ from various discriminatory laws and essentially made gay marriage legal across the US during his term.

The feds could file lawsuits to end the legal sale of marijuana in the US. Do you know otherwise? I'm a layman but I've read a lot about this (particularly the WA State laws, we had legislature worried THEY'D get arrested by the feds, which is why dispensaries are cash only businesses here.)

The support and funding just isn't there. .

OK so use words like "Won't"; they CAN.. doesn't mean they will. Most people believe they won't; as do I.
 
i got busted in ohio with about .4 grams of weed and a pipe last year and i got a 4th degree misdemeanor and paid around $700 in fines. not sure how much worse that could get tbqh (also am very white)
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
What? The feds file lawsuits against State and local jurisdictions all the times; the Department of Justice forced the Seattle PD here to make serious changes due to their investigation into racism and police brutality. Obama stopped states via the DOJ from various discriminatory laws and essentially made gay marriage legal across the US during his term.

The feds could file lawsuits to end the legal sale of marijuana in the US. Do you know otherwise? I'm a layman but I've read a lot about this (particularly the WA State laws, we had legislature worried THEY'D get arrested by the feds, which is why dispensaries are cash only businesses here.)
I'm not saying the federal government couldn't destroy the pot industry. It just couldn't do it in the manner you're suggesting. What it could do is sue all of the people who file for business licenses to sell marijuana.
 

Hale-XF11

Member
OK so use words like "Won't"; they CAN.. doesn't mean they will. Most people believe they won't; as do I.

I have to correct myself. They are prohibited by the current budget bill from going after medical marijuana in states where it's legal.

source: https://rules.house.gov/sites/repub.../115/OMNI/CPRT-115-HPRT-RU00-SAHR244-AMNT.pdf

But I do agree that they won't be able to stop either medical or recreational.

Edit: The latest gallup poll is also noteworthy in that over 60% of the country is in favor of legalization. Congress won't support a budget to go after marijuana with the kind of support it has from the public at large. I mean, unless they want to risk losing their jobs, considering how popular it is.
 

leroidys

Member
you specifically took what I said to mention your white friend. If anything your insistence of centering whiteness regardless of intent is offensive.

You could have made your point without quoting my response.

EDIT: re-reading my post now.

You're right. I thought it would be a neutral comment, but re-reading it now it sounds like the same bullshit language that people use to rationalize or diminish the racist intent and disproportionate affect of these laws. I apologize for my comment, and you were right to call me out on it.
 
I'm about to plant 3 outdoor plants. Gonna buy clones this week and get them to root. In a week of rooting in a solo cup I should be able to transfer and watch it grow for the summer and into the fall. Jeff sessions can go fuck himself
 

xxracerxx

Don't worry, I'll vouch for them.
Like they can do anything about it.

You think the states where it's legal are going to just give up the billions of dollars they're making from weed?

Not happening.
Republicans don't give a flying fuck about state's rights of it goes against their agenda.
 

see5harp

Member
Yea I'd like to see him try in this state. We're six months from hopefully having the tax structure in place for full on legalization and once tens of billions of money move over into legal purchases with similar increases in tax revenue we'll see how much his word actually means.
 
I fail to see how this is a thing the federal government can do.

They could do something like they did to force all states to raise the drinking age to 21. Hold back federal funds for road construction projects if the states dont comply. There is precedence and there are many options for the federal govt to go about it.
 

ReAxion

Member
the champion of for-profit prisons isn't going to try to cram them full of people (of color)? cmon folks, you underestimate the depravity of this administration.
 

see5harp

Member
They're making that much?

Not in tax revenue yet, but the illegal weed trade alone in a state like California easily surpasses a billion each year. Much of that money is going to slowly move towards the legal dispensaries once people realize that they don't need to lie about their pain or buy from your old school weed dealer. If they go through with a tax of 15% think about the revenue. In a state like CA? Colorado likely surpassed CA in the last year or so but when you consider population, and much higher rates of tourism in CA, CA is going to be cash rich very soon.
 
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