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Powell: Israel has 200 nukes pointed at Iran
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LookAtMeGo
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Nuclear dick waving at its finest.
Israel does whatever it thinks it needs to do to survive. But part of their calculations always involve public opinion damage from their actions and how they think it might affect relations, US and UK in particular. They probably wouldn't use them because that make all of Europe swing completely against Israel. It would possibly even affect American public opinion, though who really knows. If they would use them it'd be like '56 where the Israelis waited for some sort of reason to "actively defend" itself, and even then I don't think most people that any reason necessitates the use of nuclear weapons in 2016.
It's not dick waving. Israel doesn't even admit to having them.
Regulus Tera
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I was gonna make a post about how everyone with nukes has them all ready to go at major cities in the world since that's like the entire point of nuclear deterrence. Then I saw the line that Israel never declared itself a nuclear state.
yeaaaaaaaaah that's pretty shitty
yeaaaaaaaaah that's pretty shitty
TheRealTalker
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wouldn't the fallout eventually effect Israel
or it could effect other neighboring countries that might get pissed at Israel for doing so
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Deleted member 231381
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I mean, it kind of is dick-waving. Literally everybody knows Israel has them. It's just Donald Trump levels of dick-waving: he didn't come out on stage and say "I have a huge dick", but he damn well heavily implied it. Israel's nukes are Donald Trump's dick in this analogy.
That last sentence has never been said before in the history of mankind.
Pretty much everything Israel, and especially the current government, does is pretty shitty.
I think of dick waving as a prestige thing. Israel doesn't have nukes for prestige. It has them for Israeli defensive purposes.
Israel isn't looking to impress anyone with its nukes.
baxter2231
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They wouldnt directly attack they would misplace or lose a nuke that gets in the hands of terrorist that would use it. That way there is no country or city to hit back. Or just claim they never lost a nuke so it didnt come from them.
LookAtMeGo
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I dont know about you but when I want to intimidate someone I wave my dick at them
O.v.e.rlord
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They have nukes?!
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Deleted member 231381
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Eh. I mean, they're partially for defensive purposes in the event that worst timeline world happens, but really? Even if say Syria or Egypt reopened the Golan Heights, Israel would (probably) not use nukes. They would turn the entire Arab world on them on a dime; that level of disproportionate response would incite the world. They might use them in the events that, say, Iran actually invaded... but everyone knows that world is not happening. And that's been the way for nearly two decades now and shows no signs of abating as Iran slowly realigns away from Russia foreign policy wise.
Israel mostly continues to have nuclear weapons because it knows as long as it has them, everyone else wants them, and then it can sell that to America's press as a reason to support Israel. It's bait, basically. So not quite dick-waving just for prestige, but for a country that officially doesn't have nukes, they're sure very keen to let everyone know they have nukes and how fucking awesome they are.
Wrong countries have nothing to do with wars. The us has proven that time and time agaim. They'd be blamed and invaded either way. As far as terrorist stealing a nuke, the same could be said about many nations with nukes. Like pakistan for example. Or north korea.
Also. Whose to say Israel wouldn't lose a nuke, that just happens to glass iran. I mean.. they don't have them right?
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I don't know if I would trust any country that thinks it is okay to keep nukes aimed at another country.
That's not true at all. The Syrians butchered by Assad, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and Hizbullah beg to differ.
Not to mention the Saudis who are waging a proxy war against Iran throughout the Middle East.
TheRealTalker
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quite frankly though in a geopolitical spectating sense
the only place that Israel fears of going to war to is Iran (maybe Iraq may join too since some parts of Iraq is basically leased land to Iran)
quite odd since the 6 day war days... and I doubt Iran would even attack Israel in the first place without causing some crazy world war
they can't play the surrounded by countries that want to invade it, card anymore
the only place that Israel fears of going to war to is Iran (maybe Iraq may join too since some parts of Iraq is basically leased land to Iran)
quite odd since the 6 day war days... and I doubt Iran would even attack Israel in the first place without causing some crazy world war
they can't play the surrounded by countries that want to invade it, card anymore
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Laughing Banana
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You sounded like you wouldn't mind if Israel actually shoot those 200 nukes and completely obliterate Iran.
Coriolanus
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TheRealTalker
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I wonder what would've happened if the US didn't veto the Palestinian vote stuff over and over again and Palestine was eventually recognized officially and everything went back to the 1967 borders
of course maybe some back and fourth inflammation between Israel and Palestine
then a wall of some sort for the 1967 borders and what not
then likely cold relations between the two for so long but at least the main hurdle would've been done by then
who knows maybe after 30 years after that they might've even eased the border walls or some generations later were the future population wouldn't be so ill mannered to each other
of course maybe some back and fourth inflammation between Israel and Palestine
then a wall of some sort for the 1967 borders and what not
then likely cold relations between the two for so long but at least the main hurdle would've been done by then
who knows maybe after 30 years after that they might've even eased the border walls or some generations later were the future population wouldn't be so ill mannered to each other
Servbot #42
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That's an interesting analysis, makes me want to read more about Israel foreign policy.
Oh right i didn't thought about that, the fallout could spread beyond iran's border, i bet saudi arabia wouldn't like that one bit.
lol wut
Pakistan is probably one of the most pro-Iran/Iran friendly countries in the world.
Saudi Arabia on the other hand....
TheRealTalker
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the gulf sea could get affected
which wouldn't be good for oil drilling, shipments or the marine ecosystem
interestingly enough Pakistan with UAE and the US did a drill together with the inclusion of Israel
Pakistan's foreign relations is like a trying to please everyone but then also going to the extreme is pleasing a certain group at specific time
but when it comes to action that is another story
but this is the Pakistani government which is not the people
I know but currently? Why?
Giving them money? They make more money then SA and you don't see SA getting any free cash.... it was first for geopolitics but the ME today isn't the same ME before
Egypt gets it though too (but they are a larger population and not really able to pump out the money they need to purchase their equipment)
the world is so weird.... I wonder how it is going to be when millennials take over
A lot of powerful people are invested in keeping Israel in control of Jerusalem for a variety of reasons. Israel isnt really big enough to be a powerful nation with no external help.
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That's Pakistani citizens, not the Pakistani state (this statement holds true for like everything about Pakistan, lol). Iran-Pakistan relations have improved recently, but Pakistan refusing to help Iran with their nuclear development program and Pakistan and Iran supporting different factions in Afghanistan didn't help. The 1998 Mazar-i-Sharif incident made things very difficult for a while.
Spiral Insanity
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Don't forget our next billion(s) dollar aid package, so they can buy a few more with our tax dollars!
It's a very well researched topic.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0393346862/?tag=neogaf0e-20
The Iron Wall is a very impressive work of scholarship that is actually quite readable by a wider public. It's written by an Israeli who is quite critical of his country and doesn't have much of an Israeli apologist streak. But perhaps more importantly he also does a excellent job of not over vilifying his figures, with the possible exception of Netanyahu who is such a shitty guy it's hard to tell, and presenting the situation to be as morally complicated as it actually is.
It's a bit lacking on the early Zionist period though so it wouldn't serve as a complete history. Also I'm generally not a fan of his approach to writing, wherein judgement are incredibly common, as a historian, but in his case I don't think it really damages his argument too much. It certainly makes it more readable to lay people who generally want history to have strong moral statements.
Even despite that, there isn't much tension between the Iranian and Pakistani governments at all. In fact, after the Saudi diplomatic incident with Iran, Pakistan stepped in to help mediate between the two countries because they felt that they have a good relationship with both.
Thelonelykoopa
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Israel should become friends with North Korea.
You see a fair bit of pro-Palestinian sentiment in Republican murals in NI. Maybe not as much as for the ETA/Basques but still.
Somewhat ironic since in the early 20th century there was a good deal of sympathy between the Zionist movement and the Irish Republican cause, especially since both were trying to revive a largely long language (something the Irish were less successful at in the long run). Plus they were both fighting the British at around the same time. Yitzhak Shamir studied Michael Collins' tactics and then later generations of the IRA studied Begin and Shamir.
Yup the Israelis were consciously emulating Sinn Fein. A number of them directly stated that in some interviews from the 70s.
That being said I don't think it's really that Ironic, situations change. The Israel of the second half of the 20th century and today is not very similar to what people were thinking about in the 20's-40's. For obvious reasons the Irish have long, even before independence, considered themselves "friends of small nations".
I'm not quite sure the Irish to Hebrew comparison is that on though. The problems with Irish is it was seen as provincial and therefore backwards by a large number of people, in addition to Ireland being so close geographically and economically to England that the fact that almost everyone spoke English was hard to overcome. The Irish government to this day also has massive pedagogical issues surrounding Irish instruction. It might also be noteworthy that unlike Hebrew Irish never died as a vernacular.
Wag
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They are also a strategic power in a prime location- the only democracy in the region. The military aid keeps the US in their good graces.
PdotMichael
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You don't point nukes on anything. Israel has just missiles with the range capable of hitting Iran.
IIRC missiles have coordinates already set ahead of time.
Wag
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I mean full democracy- you can probably say Tunisia but that's a recent occurrence.
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US and Russia had 1000s of missiles aimed at each other back in the 70s. ICBMs had to be launched in seconds if there was a threat of a nuclear attack. Now countries like US, Russia, China, India etc have nuclear triads so their land missiles aren't aimed at a specific country. Israel thinks Iran is a threat so Powell isn't wrong. If Iran obtains a nuke and attacks Israel, the counterattack will be instaneous becuase they already have nukes pointed at Iran.
Australian master race with nothing to worry about over here.
Tallshortman
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You don't point nuclear missiles. You have a list of targets which any missile with the range is capable of hitting. This isn't likely artillery where you physically point the weapons at a target.
He's likely using the term to refer to all of Iran.
He's likely using the term to refer to all of Iran.
PdotMichael
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You aren't programmed your entire second strike capacity to one country.
nephilimdj
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USA and Russia didnt just point it at each other, they also worked together to plan to hit over targets including South Africa
Cold war was so messed up
Dubbedinenglish
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Yup. Every population center was targeted, and still probably is. Nuclear war isn't strategic, it's mean to end humanity.
This was one of the least bad parts of the Cold War. Deterrence stopped another nuke from being used.
The 38billion of aid has to be spent on American defense equipment. It's really a transfer to American corporations.
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