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Pragmata - Reviews Thread
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Can't play path traced Cyberpunk in 4k on a laptop which I also do. Cheap indies are just very good atm. Id much rather play StS2 than Star Wars Outlaws or Horizon Forbidden West.
Diddy X
Member
No offence but you seem more annoying.
Stuart360
Member
To be honest i saw someone watch the latest trailer, someone who hadnt heard of the game, and before the end of the trailer they were saying that they were already annoyed by the girl lol.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
saintjules
Gold Member
Something he reacted to in a political thread didn't bode well for him.
MacReady13
Member
Same here- my 5070ti basically plays indies and emulated PS2 games lately so this will be a welcome addition! I pre ordered it on Steam and I'm really looking forward to it! Enjoyed the demo and hoping the full game is as good as what the demo promised.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
We have the completion rates anyways.
Guess what? Nobody finishes those 100 hour RPGs.
Hayabusabruh
Member
What did you think of "BOY" from God of War?
semiconscious
Gold Member
i don't know, there's something just so 'too adorable!' about this game (& that's coming from a huge haruka fan). between that element, & the hacking, i'll be waiting for a sale at least...
SilentSpecter
Member
The music gives me Stellar Blade vibes. The trailer looks exciting, but according to reviewers, the story is the weakest part.
TrebleShot
Member
Same , I was thinking about PS5 easy boot and just play but got it off a key site for cheap.
yogaflame
Member
Pragmata and saros sci fi combo back to back will be fun for me. Pragmata mood and setting reminds me of stellar blade and a bit of bioshock. I like it. I already spend my money on re9, crimson and now its pragmata and next saros. For me this are all very good purchases. Allot of time afterwards to save for Wolverine and GTA6.
Roni
Banned
I was gonna go in completely blind, but I couldn't wait and pulled the trigger on playing the demo. Very impressed they added unlockables to a demo and even special voice lines to it.
As for the gameplay, I liked the combat system a lot. Feels inspired by soulslikes and reminds me of Returnal a bit. I'm a big fan of limiting the player's ammo and weapon types. I thought about ditching the stasis gun for the sniper and then I figured out each slot has a type. The hacking is really cool and having to take your eyes off the action works well to build tension. The special nodes add a whole new depth to the hacking, since you have to choose on the fly whether to use it or save it for a tougher enemy. Also loved they showcased in the demo the dodge is not a panacea and some enemies require jumping. The game also features some light platforming if you want to milk every filament out of the level, wonder if they'll mix that into the combat at some point.
Only complaint I had was using the roll for motion sensor horizontal movement, hope they have an option for switching it to Yaw; otherwise I'll have to play without it.
As for the gameplay, I liked the combat system a lot. Feels inspired by soulslikes and reminds me of Returnal a bit. I'm a big fan of limiting the player's ammo and weapon types. I thought about ditching the stasis gun for the sniper and then I figured out each slot has a type. The hacking is really cool and having to take your eyes off the action works well to build tension. The special nodes add a whole new depth to the hacking, since you have to choose on the fly whether to use it or save it for a tougher enemy. Also loved they showcased in the demo the dodge is not a panacea and some enemies require jumping. The game also features some light platforming if you want to milk every filament out of the level, wonder if they'll mix that into the combat at some point.
Only complaint I had was using the roll for motion sensor horizontal movement, hope they have an option for switching it to Yaw; otherwise I'll have to play without it.
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Revolutionary
Member
GMG keys are going out. Preloaded and ready to go
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Ha I am tempted to play this with Japanese audio.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Looks like it's a simultaneous global launch, so no cheating early by flying to New Zealand.
Diseased Yak
Gold Member
Same here, says delivery for Saturday for me, which is fine. Decided to play it on PS5 Pro instead of my gaming PC just because.
Ferdimage
Member
It sounds perfect in Japanese....English Diana I think will get annoying quickly.
Played it this way on the demo.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
GameFly shipped. Now I wait five days for it to arrive.
Already? damn that's fast .. I usually don't get shipments one day before street date, or on the date itself.
Hugare
Member
Kid with no pants, barefoot and with makeup made me go
The Reddit sub for the game went as well as you might expect. Tons of "inappropriate" threads, to say the least. A mod even had a meltdown exposing other mods about their loli shit.
There's even the existence of a SFW sub for the game which is absolutely disgusting
Pedos will be pedos no matter what, but I believe Capcom could have done more in terms of her design to stay away from this shit
Game looks awesome tho
The Reddit sub for the game went as well as you might expect. Tons of "inappropriate" threads, to say the least. A mod even had a meltdown exposing other mods about their loli shit.
There's even the existence of a SFW sub for the game which is absolutely disgusting
Pedos will be pedos no matter what, but I believe Capcom could have done more in terms of her design to stay away from this shit
Game looks awesome tho
Diddy X
Member
Looks like it's a simultaneous global launch, so no cheating early by flying to New Zealand.
I always feel neglected by these time maps.
GateofD
Member
english vas. just never get 'little girl' voices right in games.
MatrixReloaded101
Member
Same, its a capcom action game that reviewed well ... that's good enough info for me to try it out.
ssringo
Member
Kid with no pants, barefoot and with makeup made me go
The Reddit sub for the game went as well as you might expect. Tons of "inappropriate" threads, to say the least. A mod even had a meltdown exposing other mods about their loli shit.
There's even the existence of a SFW sub for the game which is absolutely disgusting
Pedos will be pedos no matter what, but I believe Capcom could have done more in terms of her design to stay away from this shit
Game looks awesome tho
Best bet with games that heavily feature "young" characters, especially girls, is to completely avoid any dedicated online communities for said game. It always goes the way you expect it to unless, or until, mods really crack down on the bad behavior. GAF mods will handle that shit if someone dares to go down that route in the OT but Reddit? Nah.
As far as her design goes, there's nothing inherently wrong or problematic with her design I don't think. The makeup probably wasn't needed but from my limited understanding there might be technical reasons for it's use (in general, not necessarily this specific instance). There's unfortunately no escaping the...let's generously use (the incorrect word) "art"...that comes with the territory short of completely torpedoing the character. And with PC modding? Yeah...no. People can, and will, fetishize anything you can think up.
And as someone enjoying middle age, the stories that try to feature a proper father/daughter type dynamic have become more appealing so I'd hate to completely avoid young characters altogether and lose out just to avoid the bad e-behavior over a young character's design. From what little I've read that does seem to happen in this one. Hoping for some fatherly tears to be shed by the end!
Not sure if that string of thoughts makes sense. In short, I agree with you overall. I'm just perfectly happy avoiding and ignoring the nastiness altogether. Ignorance is bliss.
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
Roman Empire
Member
Sorry guys, I bought it.
Gamer_By_Proxy
About to beat off
That's what you can get it for now on PC. I bought it for $49.
So far I'm holding strong and not buying Replaced or Mouse PI yet . . .
This is not a roguelite, autobattler, or card game. This is a terrible take, I'll take a fantastic 7-10 hour experience for $60, remember in the Atari days you were paying $100+ for literal 20 minute experiences. Who gives a fuck how long the game is if it's great and replayable.
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bender
What time is it?
Not to mention a lot of roguelites feel like games that would normally be a handful of hours long stretched into dozens upon dozens of hours in the name of meta progression. Give me shorter games that don't overstay their welcome any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Hugare
Member
Yeah, I feel the same: father/daughter relationship fucks me up in a good way
And I know internet will sexualize anything, but the combo of makeup + no pants + barefoot + long hair (it's some kind of pedo's dog whistle, apparently) is a little much.
In the main menu she is shown from the back, moving her feet to the camera. Any normal person would go "oh, cute", but a company should also think of the degenerates out there that get sexualy aroused from that.
Maybe my mind is too corrupted, but I think Capcom devs should know better to avoid this kind of stuff. They can't be that oblivious.
So the cynical in me thinks that maybe they dont mind if some degenerates view the game under that light
We are talking about a country where loli media is fine, and pedo mangakas are defended by their peers
But anyway, dont want to deraill the thread further. Just wanted to get these thoughts out there.
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YeulEmeralda
Linux User
You would think Epstein would have created some goddamn humility but people still complain about Japan huh.
Roni
Banned
Self-awareness?
HRK69
Gold Member
I do. Plenty of people do.
The reality is, most gamers can only afford a handful of full-priced games each year
And replayability is subjective. Some people never play a game twice regardless of how good it is.
Quality and quantity aren't mutually exclusive and at €60 they shouldn't be
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Roni
Banned
I reckon chasing quantity in AAA/AA single-player games is a lot like trying to keep hardcore players entertained with the end game of any GaaS: you can't do it. They will consume the content faster than it can be produced.
AI might help, another alternative is going for lower production value games which are cheaper and can be churned out faster.
Someone who values quantity like you and only goes for AAA or AA is bound to be starved.
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A 20 hour poorly paced game is not "more worth" $60/$70 over an amazing 8 hour experience. Id rather replay any of the new Resident Evil games than ever touch God of War 2018 again.
Also, if Pragmata is like RE games, replayability is often encouraged with more content to explore/unlock, so "quantity", in this case, doesn't necessarily equate to game length.
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HRK69
Gold Member
The '8-hour masterpiece vs. 20-hour slog' is a false binary. Why are we pretending it's impossible to have an amazing 20-hour experience? Plenty of games achieve it without being a slog. We've seen games like Elden Ring or Baldur's Gate 3 deliver massive scale without sacrificing quality
Length isn't padding if the world and mechanics actually justify the time spent.
For a full priced new IP that's been in development for 6 years, we should be paying for discovery and not repetition
Using the Resident Evil model as a shield for Pragmata's lack of scale is just a way to excuse a game that likely had its scope gutted. I want a world to explore and not a hamster wheel to run in
Don't get me wrong, the game looks fantastic. I want to play it and I'm glad Capcom is finally putting it out. But wanting to play a game doesn't mean I have to ignore the price tag
Giallo Corsa
Gold Member
I've been reading some comments and...Jesus fucking Christ, are we back to the "barefoot" young character thing and it being weird® ? Seriously?
See, this is the problem , just the fact that people HAVE to mention something so innocent and innocuous being "weird"/"pdf®-like etc etc IS the problem, the internet has turned everyone's minds into degenerate mush and we have to blame the West for that...
We had a couple of dudes a few weeks back (think it was the demo thread) making drive-by, thinly veiled accusations of people being paedos or weirdos if they happened to like the game or didn't pay any attention to it, the weird "she's a young barefooted girl®" bullshit was the excuse and...I can't help but think that you're actually the weird one by doing such far-fetched and so sickly-minded westernized® Parallels...
This type of hyper alert reflex is just...not good.
Long hair is also - apparently - a "whistle" for paedophiles? the fuck am I reading ?
Too much Internet man...
See, this is the problem , just the fact that people HAVE to mention something so innocent and innocuous being "weird"/"pdf®-like etc etc IS the problem, the internet has turned everyone's minds into degenerate mush and we have to blame the West for that...
We had a couple of dudes a few weeks back (think it was the demo thread) making drive-by, thinly veiled accusations of people being paedos or weirdos if they happened to like the game or didn't pay any attention to it, the weird "she's a young barefooted girl®" bullshit was the excuse and...I can't help but think that you're actually the weird one by doing such far-fetched and so sickly-minded westernized® Parallels...
This type of hyper alert reflex is just...not good.
Long hair is also - apparently - a "whistle" for paedophiles? the fuck am I reading ?
Too much Internet man...
Nocty
Currently Steaming
times is hard right now brother $60 for a videogame that I can finish in a single afternoon is not it
I gotta make my money stretch out ya know