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[marrec]

Since when it is unreasonable to expect people not to get violently upset at a stranger screaming shit on the street, however vile? The dude is obviously a piece of shit, but a guy screaming heinous shit during the minute or two you have to walk by him on the sidewalk is not some indomitable psychological burden.

Most reasonable people would do their best to ignore it, not every reasonable person would and will react to varying degrees of pushback. It's not at all unreasonable that someone, out of the scores of people who would have to hear his shit, found his violent rhetoric too much to ignore and did the right thing by making it stop.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Since when it is unreasonable to expect people not to get violently upset at a stranger screaming shit on the street, however vile? The dude is obviously a piece of shit, but a guy screaming heinous shit during the minute or two you have to walk by him on the sidewalk is not some indomitable psychological burden.

When he's standing outside a school specifically harassing and advocating for teenagers to get raped.

 

[CrocMother]

The second one.

Ah, ok. So it's an old fashioned moral absolutism debate.

 

[Westbahnhof]

The second one.

Well, most people.
There are some,however, who seem to be in favour of some sort of.. Bad people cleansing.

 

[Alavard]

Since when it is unreasonable to expect people not to get violently upset at a stranger screaming shit on the street, however vile? The dude is obviously a piece of shit, but a guy screaming heinous shit during the minute or two you have to walk by him on the sidewalk is not some indomitable psychological burden.

Edit: Note that I am not saying I have sympathy for the guy, I don't. He can go fuck himself.

What you're saying is that children should 'just deal' with someone screaming at them that they should be raped.

 

[gutter_trash]

when the police fail to label a sex offender as a sex offender and the courts fail to slap a restraining order on this sex offender, then it is okay for a parent to take the law into his/her own hands to protect his/her children.

and it is okay for a minor to defend himself/ herself when the police and the courts have failed to protect him/her

 

[moggio]

What you're saying is that children should 'just deal' with someone screaming at them that they should be raped.

Some of these children will have been the victims of rape or some form of sexual assault too.

 

[2MF]

I hate when society goes "both sides" when verbal threats are considered to be "equal discussion""

that is bullshit, a verbal threat of comitting sexual abuse is a threat that should lead to that "preacher's" incarceration

plus, he should be slapped with a restraining order that is equivelant as a pedo sex offender's

Good thing I didn't say any of that.

All I'm saying is that society shouldn't advocate (or be OK with) violence as a response to nasty verbal or written statements. Do you agree or not?

 

[Murkas]

Care to elaborate on what's funny?

Ignorant bigot giving it large until he got clonked in the head and legged it.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Most reasonable people would do their best to ignore it, not every reasonable person would and will react to varying degrees of pushback. It's not at all unreasonable that someone, out of the scores of people who would have to hear his shit, found his violent rhetoric too much to ignore and did the right thing by making it stop.

Of course it's predictable, statistically, but saying "he deserved it", karmically, and "she was right to do it" are different things. I'm on board with the former, fuck him, but the latter is a relatively new addition to political discourse, and one I think deserves some pushback.

 

[Rumblebones]

Harassment, incitment of violence and threats of rape are not free speech.

I already checked you on this.

You evidently have no understanding of law, so stop posting nonsense like you know you what you're talking about.

What the preacher was saying is vile, but does not meet or satisfy the legal definition and requirements to have committed those crimes you are attributing to him.

 

[vordhosbn]

So did the guy end up becoming brain damaged?

 

[CrocMother]

when the police fail to label a sex offender as a sex offender and the courts fail to slap a restraining order on this sex offender, then it is okay for a parent to take the law into his/her own hands to protect his/her children.

and it is okay for a minor to defend himself/ herself when the police and the courts have failed to protect him/her

That's true. Unfortunately, this "street preacher" may be more emboldened than ever, and police will divert resources to protect him.

That is, assuming they can't find some way to legally prevent him from doing this.

 

[gutter_trash]

Good thing I didn't say any of that.

All I'm saying is that society shouldn't advocate (or be OK with) violence as a response to nasty verbal or written statements. Do you agree or not?

if the verbal statement is a physical threat, then it should be met with a proportional response with self defense when the police fail

 

[Loudninja]

The guy has some insane views but he shouldn't have been hit. It is a good thing the girl that hit him got arrested.

Its very annoying how this is being frame like its some random opinion that hurts no one.

 

[vordhosbn]

I wonder what the people in here would've said if he accidentally died or something, does he still deserve it? Where's the line?

 

[Shaanyboi]

So did the guy end up becoming brain damaged?

He wasn't already?

 

[Fuchsdh]

Nobody is doubting that he's a piece of shit.

The best advice I can give to students, when confronted with bigotry, is this: "Do not change your schedule in any way to acknowledge these people. Go to class, get your diploma, go on to succeed in life on your own terms. Your potential is the greatest threat to bigots, and your achievements will silence them."

I hated when people would get in shouting matches with the dumb preachers at our school (no 'deserve to be raped' sentiments from what I recall, but plenty of 'you're wearing pants, ladies, you're going to hell'-type stuff.) Ignoring the idiots and moving on is a much quicker way to get them to go away. Engaging them is exactly what most of them want.

 

[marrec]

Of course it's predictable, statistically, but saying "he deserved it", karmically, and "she was right to do it" are different things. I'm on board with the former, fuck him, but the latter is a relatively new addition to political discourse, and one I think deserves some pushback.

It doesn't have to be black and white though, she has taken the correct moral stance but in doing so crossed a societal line that has to be dealt with appropriately, unfortunate that it came to this honestly. Society, the state, the pillars of citizen protection consistently failed these students and forced someone to do something. My only hope is that this violence leads to the authorities taking proper action against this chode.

 

[gutter_trash]

I hated when people would get in shouting matches with the dumb preachers at our school (no 'deserve to be raped' sentiments from what I recall, but plenty of 'you're wearing pants, ladies, you're going to hell'-type stuff.) Ignoring the idiots and moving on is a much quicker way to get them to go away. Engaging them is exactly what most of them want.

that is easy to say when it concerns adults on the way to the office.

minors react differently to this sort of shit and they will respond.

it should not be normal having preachers target minors, the line should be drawn where you don't mess with minors

 

[excelsiorlef]

I hated when people would get in shouting matches with the dumb preachers at our school (no 'deserve to be raped' sentiments from what I recall, but plenty of 'you're wearing pants, ladies, you're going to hell'-type stuff.) Ignoring the idiots and moving on is a much quicker way to get them to go away. Engaging them is exactly what most of them want.

People did ignore for quite a while that wasn't his first day there... didn't work

 

[Loudninja]

I hated when people would get in shouting matches with the dumb preachers at our school (no 'deserve to be raped' sentiments from what I recall, but plenty of 'you're wearing pants, ladies, you're going to hell'-type stuff.) Ignoring the idiots and moving on is a much quicker way to get them to go away. Engaging them is exactly what most of them want.

Does this make the problem go away?

No it does not,ignoring it never works, he has been doing this a long time now.

 

[Rumblebones]

I wonder what the people in here would've said if he accidentally died or something, does he still deserve it? Where's the line?

That is the ridiculousness of some posters here.

They seem to believe the fact this guy didn't get seriously injured means it's okay to hit him with a bat.

People have died from a simple punch to the head. Striking them with a bat could very easily have had much worse consequences than it did, and that cannot be permitted to be overlooked, that is dangerous thinking.

 

[old manatee]

If only they had ignored it until he died of old age.

 

[marrec]

That is the ridiculous of some posters here.

They seem to believe the fact this guy didn't get seriously injured means it's okay to him with a bat.

People have died from a simple punch to the head. Striking them with a bat could very easily have had much worse consequences than it did, and that cannot be permitted to be overlooked, that is dangerous thinking.

Talk shit get hit

 

[Crossing Eden]

I already checked you on this.

You evidently have no understanding of law, so stop posting nonsense like you know you what you're talking about.

What the preacher was saying is vile, but does not meet or satisfy the legal definition and requirements to have committed those crimes you are attributing to him.

Are you a lawyer? Because my cousin is and i'd be happy to ask her about the legal grounds the man had to stand on by inciting violence for 25 minutes straight, disturbing the peace, harassment and terroristic threats. Brb.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

It doesn't have to be black and white though, she has taken the correct moral stance but in doing so crossed a societal line that has to be dealt with appropriately, unfortunate that it came to this honestly. Society, the state, the pillars of citizen protection consistently failed these students and forced someone to do something. My only hope is that this violence leads to the authorities taking proper action against this chode.

Being anti-hate speech law, I disagree, but I acknowledge this difference is likely insuperable in the context of a forum.

Guy definitely had it coming, regardless. What a piece of shit.

Edit: This guy's speech is definitely protected by the first amendment. Pretty much literally the only non-protected speech is of the "Go kill that guy, right there" or "I'm going to rape you" variety. Saying someone deserves to have something bad happen to them satisfies neither criterion.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Again I reiterate the true failing in all this is that there are no hate speech laws...

Hate speech laws would have prevented all of this.

 

[Trigonometrize.]

that is easy to say when it concerns adults on the way to the office.

minors react differently to this sort of shit and they will respond.

it should not be normal having preachers target minors, the line should be drawn where you don't mess with minors

Would just like to remind everyone that although there were certainly mostly minors in that crowd, the perpetrator was not a minor.

 

[azyless]

I wonder what the people in here would've said if he accidentally died or something, does he still deserve it? Where's the line?

The line is somewhere a little higher than "these people deserve to be raped".
(also not sure why everyone's giving him the benefit of the doubt about his possible crimes when he obviously doesn't think much of sexual consent eh)

 

[Hierophant]

If only they had ignored it until he died of old age.

Don't worry, once he rapes a woman, then they can go after him

 

[gutter_trash]

Would just like to remind everyone that although there were certainly mostly minors in that crowd, the perpetrator was not a minor.

parents have the right to defend their children

mother bear will mother bear

the latin blood inside my veigns is okay with parents defending their children form assholes

 

[excelsiorlef]

Being anti-hate speech law, I disagree, but I acknowledge this difference is likely insuperable in the context of a forum.

Guy definitely had it coming, regardless. What a piece of shit.

How can you be anti-hate speech law?

But think him getting clocked is aok...

Like you realize hate speech laws work right? Like hate speech laws aren't special or rare, in fact not having them is more rare and "special"

 

[Goodstyle]

I think people in this thread are seriously underestimating how easily he could have died. A bat to the kneecaps is bad but understandable... but a bat to the fucking head? Are you guys seriously cheering this?

 

[Rumblebones]

Talk shit get hit

Get hit, sure.

Don't get hit and potentially lose your life because somebody thinks words justify a deadly weapon to the head.

I don't have a moral objection to how things turned out, but I have a problem with people justifying it, especially those that seem to think there is a legal basis for striking someone for words - which is what it comes down to, vile words versus potentially life threatening assault.

 

[azyless]

I think people in this thread are seriously underestimating how easily he could have died. A bat to the kneecaps is bad but understandable... but a bat to the fucking head? Are you guys seriously cheering this?

I understand and I don't care.

 

[Mechanized]

I'd like to say he got what he deserved, but he deserves worse.

 

[Hyun Sai]

As long as USA laws do nothing against hate speech, I feel comfortable encouraging violence against such individuals. They deserved to be hit by a bat and raped by it. And it's my right, because it's protected by free speech. It's just words anyway, you can just ignore them.

Sue me.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Since when it is unreasonable to expect people not to get violently upset at a stranger screaming shit on the street, however vile? The dude is obviously a piece of shit, but a guy screaming heinous shit during the minute or two you have to walk by him on the sidewalk is not some indomitable psychological burden or an "abuse victim standing up to their abuser" situation.

Edit: Note that I am not saying I have sympathy for the guy, I don't. He can go fuck himself.

This motherfucker isn't holding some sign saying "THE END IS NIGH! THE LIZARD PEOPLE ARE UPON US! REPENT!"

He's announcing that fucking high school kids deserve to be raped. Outside their school, where they have to pass him, hear him, and whether they admit it or not, can easily internalize that shit.

Nah. Fuck that. This kind of shit doesn't just get the pass to be ignored.

 

[marrec]

I think people in this thread are seriously underestimating how easily he could have died. A bat to the kneecaps is bad but understandable... but a bat to the fucking head? Are you guys seriously cheering this?

Did you not see me say "talk shit get hit"

Come hell what may when you think it's okay to do what he did. Bad things might happen to you if you advocate for rape of minors.

 

[Snowybreak]

I think people in this thread are seriously underestimating how easily he could have died. A bat to the kneecaps is bad but understandable... but a bat to the fucking head? Are you guys seriously cheering this?

Did he die? No? Then it doesn't matter. It's the action that matters in this instance, not the outcome.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

How can you be anti-hate speech law?

But think him getting clocked is aok...

Like you realize hate speech laws work right? Like hate speech laws aren't special or rare, in fact not having them is more rare and "special"

I am okay with it in the sense that I think he karmically had it coming. I don't think it's a-ok in the sense that I think anybody should actually have carried it out. I would also accept injurious car accident, property theft, or other ills that could have befallen him.

 

[Yuki the heart butt Corgi]

Is this guy still at it? Or is one hit to the head enough to rattle his brain to sensibility?

 

[Angelus Errare]

America really needs to put the "ignore the problem and it'll go away" argument in rice. It's seriously one of the most remedial arguments ever created.

 

[marrec]

I am okay with it in the sense that I think he karmically had it coming. I don't think it's a-ok in the sense that I think anybody should actually have carried it out. I would also accept injurious car accident, property theft, or other ills that could have befallen him.

I can understand this position, it's the normal reaction to have in a society like we've got, a necessary reaction even. I'm secretly a little glad that we've got people willing to step outside the lines on occasion to do what needs be done, but normally cannot be done.

 

[Yeoman]

How can you be anti-hate speech law?

Easy.
He's not part of a vulnerable minority group.
There's a reason why all of these free speech anti-hate speech law people are straight white men.

 

[Trigonometrize.]

Did he die? No? Then it doesn't matter. It's the action that matters in this instance, not the outcome.

If you're swinging for someone's head with a bat, you're swinging for their life. The outcome doesn't matter to me to be honest.

Edit: Wait, that's what you said...uh...

 

[Snowybreak]

I am okay with it in the sense that I think he karmically had it coming. I don't think it's a-ok in the sense that I think anybody should actually have carried it out. I would also accept injurious car accident, property theft, or other ills that could have befallen him.

The force of karma takes many forms, even the form of a woman wielding a metal baseball bat. You are looking for indirect karmic balance, aka, wishing ill on someone. This is direct karmic balance, someone taking it into their own hands.

 

[Two Words]

He wasn't just holding up a sign, he for an extended period of time was holding up a megaphone harassing them.


Depending on how much they've actually faced similar things in their life.


Yea you're right, like the fact that we somehow have to debate about when to draw the line when it comes to old white men saying the n word on national television, whether or not Milo who actively harasses and doxxed LBGT students deserve a platform, whether or not to draw the line at a man saying that women in general deserved to be raped at multiple college campuses, with a megaphone no less, and then doing the same to teenagers, or whether or not it's ok to punch someone with genocide.


I wish I lived in a state where nothing said deserved to be met with violence. And that we must simply ignore or comply with everything that happens to us. Unfortunately we don't live in a country where total compliance and debate has no effect. Especially since we have people dying on the sword for the right to a platform but not for the right to not have to take shit from said platform.

You keep ignoring that you're telling people to respond to their emotion and that is going to wildly vary. Some people invest every fiber of their being to their religion. To them, a speech against their religion is one of the most demeaning things possible to them. With your logic, they should "not have to take shit from said platform" and physically do something about it. It doesn't work to say that religious views are different because to them it isn't. It's something you can't just cherry pick to rape, racism, sexism, etc.. When it comes to free speech, you have to protect disgusting free speech as well from violence. Hate speech is a real thing and I agree that it should be dealt with, but vigilante violence doesn't help in that regard. You'll immediately silence the person most likely, but it isn't something we should teach people on how to deal with those that speak heinously.

 

[Hierophant]

America really needs to put the "ignore the problem and it'll go away" argument in rice. It's seriously one of the most remedial arguments ever created.

Most of the people making the argument would never feel affected or threatened by this dude anyway, if nothing is wrong for me nothing is wrong for you ofc