It would absolutely be a better place if we killed everyone who actively promotes unprovoked violence and sexual assault. Morally it might be questionable, but it would result in less active promotion of violence to innocent people.... no, it won't become a better place if we start to kill everyone we don't agree with.
Oh I see, sorry I misunderstood your original post.The guy was fine. Not saying the girl shouldn't accept some type of punishment for attacking him but he is clearly provoking them and it seems it wasn't the first time either.
Why is it ok to let yourself be attacked and not fight back?
Probation and a felony hit when a future employer does their background check on you seems reasonable for cracking a person in the head with a baseball bat that wasn't putting you or others in direct harm.
Let's just hope she doesn't try working for Chick Fil A corporate in the near future.
These are teenagers. All it takes is one of them to get inspired by shit like this because we keep letting it happen. Ignoring bigotry does not work. It's never worked, in the history of the world. Ignoring it like it doesn't exist doesn't work. Putting it down, with violent means or otherwise, has always been the solution.Nobody is doubting that he's a piece of shit.
The best advice I can give to students, when confronted with bigotry, is this: "Do not change your schedule in any way to acknowledge these people. Go to class, get your diploma, go on to succeed in life on your own terms. Your potential is the greatest threat to bigots, and your achievements will silence them."
It would absolutely be a better place if we killed everyone who actively promotes unprovoked violence and sexual assault.
Of course you had to be hyperbolic and say "Everyone we don't agree with." to make your point. Which is something I clearly never said.
Yet this isn't attempted murder, and because he was advocating for the rape of teenagers.People defending her actions are crazy. She's a fucking moron and deserves every bit of what's to come. A fucking baseball bat? Seriously? How can you in any way think that's the right thing to do to anybody? That shit can be attempted murder.
Stop propping up "you deserve to be raped" as a different view. It's a threat.Of course the guy who got hit is a piece of shit but that doesn't give anyone the right to do some dumb ass shit like this. You'd feel exactly the same if the roles were reversed and some bigot preacher hit someone on the head with a baseball bat because they disagreed with their views.
He literally kicked a woman in the chest unprovoked for trying to have a discussion with him. Yet SHE'S the danger to society for responding violently to a man telling her that her and all her peers deserve to be raped.This woman is not only an idiot but a clear danger to society if this is how she reacts to things like that.
These are teenagers. All it takes is one of them to get inspired by shit like this because we keep letting it happen. Ignoring bigotry does not work. It's never worked, in the history of the world. Ignoring it like it doesn't exist doesn't work. Putting it down, with violent means or otherwise, has always been the solution.
Admittedly I did not watch the video; was there any/a large amount of folks protesting aside the preacher that would have seen the sign and found the message to be something they would consider doing IRL to teach the heathens (?) a lesson? I mean, a vulgar sign ultimately means zilch if nobody is there to agree or be manipulated to act with its message.debatable.
He's threatening people with rape, words have meaning, words lead to action.Yeah I don't support violence. That preacher was scum but that's his right. As long as he wasn't harming anyone let him speak so we can ridicule and ring him up as another bigot point on a giant graph
Exactly.Watch the last give minutes or so of this video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJF_7QVhNl4
Two (I think) teens followed him and were apologising for what happened to him. They call the girl who hit him a lesbian.
It's basically Bill Burr's joke. There's one, he's allowed a platform and suddenly there's more because no-one shut that shit down when they should have and now you've got an even bigger problem.
Who has actually said this?When will I be free of the "it's just a different opinion!" discourse
There has never been a clear line between what is OK and what is not. It completely shifts depending on the current state of society.Yeah, because there is no clear line. You say this like you could easily determine what is okay and what not. But the world around us and its history shows that it's not as easy as you make it sound.
That priest was a far bigger danger to society than she ever was.People defending her actions are crazy. She's a fucking moron and deserves every bit of what's to come. A fucking baseball bat? Seriously? How can you in any way think that's the right thing to do to anybody? That shit can be attempted murder.
Of course the guy who got hit is a piece of shit but that doesn't give anyone the right to do some dumb ass shit like this. You'd feel exactly the same if the roles were reversed and some bigot preacher hit someone over the head with a baseball bat because they disagreed with their views.
This woman is not only an idiot but a clear danger to society if this is the way she reacts to things like that.
Ok no....Read.the.thread. It's been said a disturbing amount of times by people ITT. Including on this very page and the last one.Who has actually said this?
Several people from the past few pages.Who has actually said this?
Rape culture.
The world would have been better off, honestly.
The only thing I regret here is that this girl had to give so much of herself to such a piece of shit.
Have you asked any of them what they think of this preacher's actual speech? I'd be very surprised if anyone on GAF didn't find it deplorable.Ok no....Read.the.thread. It's been said a disturbing amount of times by people ITT. Including on this very page and the last one.
I think you're onto something.
She was sent to deliver him from Satan and the bat was her holy instrument. God was just looking out for this poor guy and trying to set him on a righteous path.
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=240024744Who has actually said this?
Killing someone because of dangerous views is clearly far away from self defense. What the hell. Excessive self defense is a crime too, btw.Why? He's actively promoting assault and putting people in danger. It's not that far off from basic self defense.
I dunno how ruined her life is. I mean think about it:
Have you every been convicted of a felony? Yes.
If yes, please describe: I hit a man with a bat for holding up a sign outside my high school saying I deserve to be raped.
I think you at least give that person an interview.
Your post is yet another example of rape culture. So thanks for proving the point.Assault culture.
And murder culture. Whooo!
My issue is the false equivalence. The anti-violence crowd no matter what happens has genuinely never provided an answer for what situation constitutes violence. We're at the point where even advocating for the rape of teenagers, in a country where we have a 1 in 6 statistic for women and a whole bunch of other baggage that this dude straight up supports that normalises it such as women "asking for it" depending on what they're wearing. Along with the baggage that he's ridiculing them for being LBGT, something they likely already get enough of a segment of their peers. SO basically, we have a mountain of heinous shit, and even that doesn't stop the muh anti violence crowd from saying that someone who was stopped only by being met with violence, didn't deserve it. It's straight up shameful. It's always either "both sides are bad," or "wow that person shouldn't have stood up for themselves because "muh fre specch." Genuinely what is the line and how much do people have to take in America? At what point do realize that just straight up ignoring this shit like it doesn't exist when we have ample examples in this thread that ignoring it is why it's gotten so bad and normalized isn't the solution? Why is fre specch, a value that takes precedence over the lives of victims hurt by it on a daily basis when it's possible to do something about very clear shit like this, i.e. a grown man amongst a group of teenagers with a goddamn megaphone saying that they deserve to be raped, which let's be honest, due to the statistics and how normalized and defended shit like this is in this country, some of them will be at some point in their lives, genuinely what is the tipping point for some of you people? At what point is something not just a "difference of opinion" because you people keep raising the bar on what constitutes hate speech and how much we should tolerate it before resorting to the only means that stopped it's rise in the first place.Have you asked any of them what they think of this preacher's actual speech?
I'm glad you asked. Here is the "it's an opinion" crowd:Who has actually said this?
She deserves to be punished to the fullest extent of the law for what she did. We can't selectively apply the law because we don't like people's opinions.
These threads make me worry. You shouldn't be cool with assault because someone says something you don't like, even if it's truly vile shit.
Guy was an asshole, but he didn't deserve to be brained by a coward.
I truly wonder how those people get through daily life when they can't distinguish a horrific opinion from a threat. You know what's even more amazing, as if any of those people ever gets politically involved to change the stupid laws protecting the guy in the first place. Nope, instead we just apply laws as we please. And if it doesn't work out."Court failed her". "Boooohooooo".
Those signs deserve mockery and derision. Physically attacking a person for a message gives his opinion legitimacy. This is what people do not understand. You laugh at him, humiliate him and then you go full ham when HE is on his last straw and attempting to incite violence.
Because saying something shitty is not worse than assaulting someone with a deadly weapon.
Disgusting. Not what the preacher said because he has a right to free speech but to the girl who illegally assaulted him with a freaking aluminum bat in the head. Could have killed the guy. Did he deserve that? Fuck no. And to the people cheering, fuck them. None of those people are real Christians.
Is it illegal? Then he should be prosecuted. Is it not? Then he can say it however often he wants. That's the way democracy works, you don't just go around and take the law into your own hands whenever somebody says or does something that offends you. In my book she is worse than him. Just because you commit a crime because of the right reason doesn't make it any less criminal and just because you spread hate doesn't make you a criminal. Just a racist homophobic asshole, which is something that anybody can choose to be. Democracy means even accepting people that oppose democracy, tolerance means being tolerant towards people that are intolerant.
He is stupid. You can't beat sense into him, it's just who he is. And if you attack him for being openly stupid, well, then you are just as stupid as him.
That priest was a far bigger danger to society than she ever was.
There is a point where someone's views are so evil and destructive that their death would benefit society. If the bigot assaulted someone in the name of their views it would be a greater act of evil. Assaulting him is an act of moral good.
We have institutions like the military that exist based on this accepted ethical conclusion that some views and values are worth killing for.
But this isn't a state of warfare. This was an assault on a person using their right to freely protest, no matter how fucking stupid it is. Until there is actual and provable actions from others that were a direct cause from him, then no, she is worse than him. There is no "moral good" in the assault of anyone unless they pose actual harm to another person.
Your post is yet another example of rape culture. So thanks for proving the point.
My issue is the false equivalence. The anti-violence crowd no matter what happens has genuinely never provided an answer for what situation constitutes violence. We're at the point where even advocating for the rape of teenagers, in a country where we have a 1 in 6 statistic for women and a whole bunch of other baggage that this dude straight up supports that normalises it such as women "asking for it" depending on what they're wearing. Along with the baggage that he's ridiculing them for being LBGT, something they likely already get enough of a segment of their peers. SO basically, we have a mountain of heinous shit, and even that doesn't stop the muh anti violence crowd from saying that someone who was stopped only by being met with violence, didn't deserve it. It's straight up shameful. It's always either "both sides are bad," or "wow that person shouldn't have stood up for themselves because muh fre specch." Genuinely what is the line and how much do people have to take in America? At what point do realize that just straight up ignoring this shit like it doesn't exist when we have ample examples in this thread that ignoring it is why it's gotten so bad and normalized isn't the solution?
He was terrorizing children.
Your post is yet another example of rape culture. So thanks for proving the point.
But this isn't a state of warfare. This was an assault on a person using their right to freely protest, no matter how fucking stupid it is. Until there is actual and provable actions from others that were a direct cause from him, then no, she is worse than him. There is no "moral good" in the assault of anyone unless they pose actual harm to another person.
Yeah, no. The guy is absolutely a piece of shit, but killing everyone who promotes this isn't the answer. He clearly isn't in a great state of mind, it could be a mental health issue. If you let religion, or anything for that matter, completely consume your moral compass, then something is off upstairs.It would absolutely be a better place if we killed everyone who actively promotes unprovoked violence and sexual assault. Morally it might be questionable, but it would result in less active promotion of violence to innocent people.
Of course you had to be hyperbolic and say "Everyone we don't agree with." to make your point. Which is something I clearly never said.
He's threatening people with rape, words have meaning, words lead to action.
Exactly.
My issue is the false choice being presented as being between either vigilante or mob violence or acceptance.My issue is the false equivalence. The anti-violence crowd no matter what happens has genuinely never provided an answer for what situation constitutes violence. We're at the point where even advocating for the rape of teenagers, in a country where we have a 1 in 6 statistic for women and a whole bunch of other baggage that this dude straight up supports that normalises it such as women "asking for it" depending on what they're wearing. Along with the baggage that he's ridiculing them for being LBGT, something they likely already get enough of a segment of their peers. SO basically, we have a mountain of heinous shit, and even that doesn't stop the muh anti violence crowd from saying that someone who was stopped only by being met with violence, didn't deserve it. It's straight up shameful. It's always either "both sides are bad," or "wow that person shouldn't have stood up for themselves because "muh fre specch." Genuinely what is the line and how much do people have to take in America? At what point do realize that just straight up ignoring this shit like it doesn't exist when we have ample examples in this thread that ignoring it is why it's gotten so bad and normalized isn't the solution? Why is fre specch, a value that takes precedence over the lives of victims hurt by it on a daily basis when it's possible to do something about very clear shit like this, i.e. a grown man amongst a group of teenagers with a goddamn megaphone saying that they deserve to be raped, which let's be honest, due to the statistics and how normalized and defended shit like this is in this country, some of them will be at some point in their lives, genuinely what is the tipping point for some of you people? At what point is something not just a "difference of opinion" because you people keep raising the bar on what constitutes hate speech and how much we should tolerate it before resorting to the only means that stopped it's rise in the first place.
You can sympathize with Batwoman and still think she crossed a line. Not because you have any support for the assface preacher, but because you realize freedom of speech is fundamental to our society. It's a right that can be a powerful weapon for you to use or to be used against you.
But let's also be clear not all speech is ptotected. Harassment or intimidation is not acceptable speech and this guy clearly was using his speech to harass and intimidate. There were options available to Batwoman to get this guy gone and ultimately he was removed by law enforcement. Attacking him ended up punishing her in the end.
As someone who is part of a community that often faces these grotesque abuses of free speech, I completely understand her reaction and can't help but feel a sense of smug enjoyment towards the preacher getting some street justice. But as a member of a society governed by the rule of law I can't condone assault in instances where life or property are not at risk. Once you let the genie out of that particular bottle it won't ever be put back in. You need only look at Trump's rallies where he urged violence against protesters or Gianforte assaulting the reporter in Wyoming.
I dunno how ruined her life is. I mean think about it:
Have you every been convicted of a felony? Yes.
If yes, please describe: I hit a man with a bat for holding up a sign outside my high school saying I deserve to be raped.
I think you at least give that person an interview.
I agree, call the cops and say you were threatened. Take a video of him for documentation. But taking violence into your hands as a response isn't justified unless he actually touches you or there is a clear "call to action". If he had said "we should all rape these people, you rape them too" then you're in the clear for putting a stop to that, but it's situational. That's the law currently
Many of you highschoolers may die soon
Seems like a threat.
Not how the world works. At all.I dunno how ruined her life is. I mean think about it:
Have you every been convicted of a felony? Yes.
If yes, please describe: I hit a man with a bat for holding up a sign outside my high school saying I deserve to be raped.
I think you at least give that person an interview.
He's protesting against homosexuality? Feminism? Rape being a crime? The Catholics and dirty Muslims?
I'm kinda fuzzy on what he's protesting, clear it up for me.
Your post is yet another example of rape culture. So thanks for proving the point.
My issue is the false equivalence. The anti-violence crowd no matter what happens has genuinely never provided an answer for what situation constitutes violence. We're at the point where even advocating for the rape of teenagers, in a country where we have a 1 in 6 statistic for women and a whole bunch of other baggage that this dude straight up supports that normalises it such as women "asking for it" depending on what they're wearing. Along with the baggage that he's ridiculing them for being LBGT, something they likely already get enough of a segment of their peers. SO basically, we have a mountain of heinous shit, and even that doesn't stop the muh anti violence crowd from saying that someone who was stopped only by being met with violence, didn't deserve it. It's straight up shameful. It's always either "both sides are bad," or "wow that person shouldn't have stood up for themselves because "muh fre specch." Genuinely what is the line and how much do people have to take in America? At what point do realize that just straight up ignoring this shit like it doesn't exist when we have ample examples in this thread that ignoring it is why it's gotten so bad and normalized isn't the solution? Why is fre specch, a value that takes precedence over the lives of victims hurt by it on a daily basis when it's possible to do something about very clear shit like this, i.e. a grown man amongst a group of teenagers with a goddamn megaphone saying that they deserve to be raped, which let's be honest, due to the statistics and how normalized and defended shit like this is in this country, some of them will be at some point in their lives, genuinely what is the tipping point for some of you people? At what point is something not just a "difference of opinion" because you people keep raising the bar on what constitutes hate speech and how much we should tolerate it before resorting to the only means that stopped it's rise in the first place.