The Artisan
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the comment sections of this article has a lot of people thinking that he was a muslim or that islam played a role in this shooting in some way shape or form, particularly probably because he was targeting christians.
President Obama Is Pissed (Oregon Shooting Press Conference)
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LegendofJoe
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2020, every progressive person in this country needs to put their time and money on the table for that election at every level of governance.
Defriend him or stop browsing facebook.
Allen West's website? Are you kidding me dude? The comments section even? Seriously? Could you have picked a less reputable source than a comments section on Allen West's website? Shit scrawled on a cum-stained bathroom wall at Penn Station is more likely to be accurate than anything you find there.
Black Republican
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Just another statistic in the gun massacre epidemic. America said oh wellsSandy Hook gets mentionned a tad casually now
It wasn't just a stat
2018 and 2020. 36 states are up in 2018 with VA and NJ elections in between in 2017
Alex_Mexico
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Obama's on CNN live and about to take questions from the press. I wonder if he'll answer stuff about the shootings.
The Artisan
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well i seriously did not know allen west had such a bad rep.
LegendofJoe
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True that, there has to be a build up to that election to achieve the desired goal - to eliminate gerrymandering permanently in as many states as possible.
Netherscourge
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Explain this, Left.
They're carrying guns because the rest of the country can also carry guns.
Morrigan Stark
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Yup. Pandering for votes is one thing, which does affect the democratic process, but there's something far deeper and more powerful and sinister, and that is lobbying.
Not only is the NRA exceedingly powerful politically, but it's not even financed by gun owners, but gun makers:
http://financesonline.com/the-nra-is-lobbying-and-the-gun-companies-are-paying-the-bills/
Which explains why many gun owners are actually not opposed to restrictions on ownership, background checks, and so on; but gun makers certainly are, for obvious reasons ($$$).
Cymbal Head
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Like, in what world are liberals arguing that law enforcement and security officials shouldn't have firearms?
Air Zombie Meat
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Interesting that the guy self identified as a conservative republican yet I see people blaming the rhetoric of christian hating liberals for this.
They believe they are just as qualified, trained, and calm under pressure as the secret service is.
To them, they're always one mass shooting away from gunning down "the enemy" and becoming a national hero, beloved by millions, with their trusty gun at their side.
It is worse. In 2013 there were 12,461 firearm homicides. That's 1.22 Sandy hooks every day. including suicides, there were 33,636 firearm deaths in 2013. That's roughly 3.3 Sandy Hooks every day.
Because if they don't there's no reason to oppose him on this.
TheRealTalker
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Just reading all those pro gun tweets and reading about those weak, usually hateful fear mongering arguments to try and toss the debate on gun control into another direction makes me believe that the US is too deep in its own mess to actually ever change this gun loving culture,
I just hope us Canadians don't overly become like this one day seeing as more recently we've been sidetracking ourselves into some US imitation
I just hope us Canadians don't overly become like this one day seeing as more recently we've been sidetracking ourselves into some US imitation
Good guy with a gun on campus explains why he didn't try to draw his gun on shooter:
Didn't you know, it doesn't count as "a Sandy Hook" unless it has a minimum of 28 deaths.
Didn't you know, it doesn't count as "a Sandy Hook" unless it has a minimum of 28 deaths.
I coped this from my twitter feed, because it simply tells it like it is! (which is sad and pathetic, but true)
St.Anthony ‏@ImHatedByAll Oct 1
1.CNN reports
2.Obama speaks
3.Fox news says this has nothing to do with gun control
4. Twitter prays
5. Nothing changes
#UCCShooting
St.Anthony ‏@ImHatedByAll Oct 1
1.CNN reports
2.Obama speaks
3.Fox news says this has nothing to do with gun control
4. Twitter prays
5. Nothing changes
#UCCShooting
Dice
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I don't know about you, but I am comforted knowing such upstanding and well-reasoned citizens are walking among us, equipped with guns, ready to uphold our freedom from the incomprehensibly massive global superpower of the United States military.
The Artisan
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i don't know if you guys know who pamela geller is but she apparently has found out more about the perpetrator's myspace and one of his friends was a muslim who apparently had terrorist-like postings.
http://pamelageller.com/2015/10/here-is-the-oregon-shooters-profile.html/
http://pamelageller.com/2015/10/here-is-the-oregon-shooters-profile.html/
Agent_Carnage
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Whoo baby he is on fire and rightfuly so.
Seems like every few months he has to talk about this which is sad. We need to start gun control before more people get hurt and killed.
Seems like every few months he has to talk about this which is sad. We need to start gun control before more people get hurt and killed.
Bobby Roberts
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I'm kinda confused as to why you keep going out into the wilds of the internet and dragging dead messes back to this thread's doorstep like an eager, proud kitten.
Air Zombie Meat
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How do you always find the worst sources
President's press conference and Q&A just wrapped up:
Watch it here, I time stamped it where it starts.
https://youtu.be/rtkCfGa1Q1I?t=2681
Watch it here, I time stamped it where it starts.
https://youtu.be/rtkCfGa1Q1I?t=2681
The Artisan
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i didn't find them from the wilds of the internet, i found them on facebook. and they're not things i'm proud to have found. they're not helping my mood in any way, but i'm bringing them here to see what others have to say about it in response.
i have gotten a warning from a mod previously about posting similar things, so i'll just stop it here.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
I sincerely believe that there needs to be an 'anti-NRA'. Those of us that are for reasonable gun control need to quit sitting on our couches wringing our hands and instead band together and create a lobby to buy our own politicians.
I wonder if something like that could happen.
I wonder if something like that could happen.
Veritigo_X
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besada had a good post in the other thread with a list of groups that are interested reforming gun laws. Donating to one of them would be a good start.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=180467944&postcount=776
Facebook isn't the best place to find sources on stuff like this. Go to places like the NYTimes, CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, BBC, the Washington Post, PBS, NBC. You know, standard, reputable news sources. If you see something somewhere and one of these sources isn't reporting it the place you are at is probably not legit.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Every president has either lost hair or had their hair go near-completely white at the end of their runs.
Air Zombie Meat
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If you're looking for ways to refute them on facebook then save yourself the effort and don't bother. People sharing links like this and the sandy hook conspiracy theories you posted before are probably too far gone to reason with.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Thanks for this. And thanks Besada for the knowledge dump. I will certainly look into some of these.
I do however think it would be more effective for these 8 different sites he linked to band together into one singular organization. In my opinion it would be way more effective and 'louder' that way.
The Artisan
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part of me feels like they may not be reporting these things because they don't want the public to know.
it's not for trying to refute them. i know these people on facebook are too far gone to be reasoned with; i think it reasonable to believe though that there are intelligent posters here on gaf and I wanted to see their two cents on them. which I have.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
The Artisan
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to be fair though, how would the situation be any better if any of his bodyguards weren't carrying firearms?lol cross-counter!
Veritigo_X
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lol cross-counter!
Why wasn't Reagan carrying a gun?
FTFY
The questions about the shooting start at 1:22:00 by the way.
That's the way I read it at first.
kingkaiser
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Plz, try to restrict your trolling to the gaming forum, it's getting ridiculous now.
Gun laws are not there to prevent policemen from carrying a gun, they exist to prevent total lunatics from carrying a gun, like in every civilized country on this planet.
It's really not that hard to understand.
The Artisan
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before we go any further, please, try to wrap your head around the fact that i'm not and never was trolling.
i was questioning the point of the image itself. it's saying that a dozen armed men around the president didn't prevent a shot being fired, which is true. how would the situation have been better if there weren't anyone around him armed is what i was asking.
kingkaiser
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Are you trying to say stricter gun laws will force security personal working unarmed?
Really?
The Artisan
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no, that's not what i'm trying to say. that was just me being devil's advocate. i don't really have a stance on this issue, but there's no denying that there is a gun problem in this country.
The Artisan
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The Artisan
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it's the first, and i've admitted that many times. so lay it to rest. i'm not very informed in major events and being a minority in america, i don't know what to believe a lot of the time when i read shit online. let's not make this thread about me.
then you're wrong about me still. whatever.
Because it's supposed to be "good guy with a gun"
Battersea Power Station
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*sensible chuckle*
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