The Executive branch creates and passes legislation?
President Obama openly supports same sex marriage (tweets)
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The Executive branch creates and passes legislation?
Big Baybee
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to the OP, and everyone reading this thread:
Obama announced his support last may.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/u...iage-should-be-legal.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Here is the GAF thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=473491
To people like you, Wilhelm:
The federal government does not issue marriage licenses. Marriage is exclusively the domain of the states. The federal government respects the marriages as issued by the states and all the legal rights that come with them. From a legal perspective, that is what marriage is: A standard package of legal rights and privileges jointly agreed upon between two parties and recognized externally by the agencies charged with interpreting, writing, and enforcing the laws.
What Obama can do is attempt to influence public opinion and limit the justice department's attempts to defend anti-gay legislation in court, such as the Defense of Marriage Act, which essentially says that the federal government will not recognize any state-issued same-sex marriage license for federal purposes (such as when providing health insurance for the spouse of a federal employee in a same-sex marriage. Another example is that even if a same-sex couple is married, they can not file their federal taxes jointly.)
But he can't make gay marriage legal. He can't make it illegal. Nor can the IRS under his administration allow same-sex couples to file joint taxes if US Code explicitely forbids it.
If you want to contribute to society as a good citizen, have some basic grasp of how your government works, for fuck's sake.
Obama announced his support last may.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/u...iage-should-be-legal.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Here is the GAF thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=473491
To people like you, Wilhelm:
The federal government does not issue marriage licenses. Marriage is exclusively the domain of the states. The federal government respects the marriages as issued by the states and all the legal rights that come with them. From a legal perspective, that is what marriage is: A standard package of legal rights and privileges jointly agreed upon between two parties and recognized externally by the agencies charged with interpreting, writing, and enforcing the laws.
What Obama can do is attempt to influence public opinion and limit the justice department's attempts to defend anti-gay legislation in court, such as the Defense of Marriage Act, which essentially says that the federal government will not recognize any state-issued same-sex marriage license for federal purposes (such as when providing health insurance for the spouse of a federal employee in a same-sex marriage. Another example is that even if a same-sex couple is married, they can not file their federal taxes jointly.)
But he can't make gay marriage legal. He can't make it illegal. Nor can the IRS under his administration allow same-sex couples to file joint taxes if US Code explicitely forbids it.
If you want to contribute to society as a good citizen, have some basic grasp of how your government works, for fuck's sake.
Gabotron ES
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Ok, do it already!
This is lovely.
Carpe Libertatem
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Do you even watch the news?
CoffeeJanitor
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Yup...
I read the news. Obama has been a waffle in every issue America is faced with, gay marriage is no exception.
I actually lol'd.
President Obama was against marriage but for civil unions.
Then, he said, mid term, his stance was evolving.
Then, he was for it last Summer.
This is just a reconfirmation of what happened last year.
Also, just so you know, he can't be president again. He already won two terms.
EVERY ISSUE AMERICA IS FACED WITH. REALLY? EVERY ONE?
Carpe Libertatem
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I thought he was pretty clear last May.
do you understand what you read?
RobotMafia
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I am a waffle too. Delicious.
That's not evolution, that's waffling.
Yes, every issue. I see Guantanamo is still open, I see we still have troops overseas. I see we now have drone strikes.
Waffling would imply going back and forth. He's clearly going in one direction, towards favoring gay marriage. Try again.
Carpe Libertatem
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It's a pretty natural evolution, actually. I guess you can believe that he lied or something but it pretty closely mirrors the rest of the country.
He tried to close Guantanamo immediately, Senate said "no" in a 90-6 vote in Supplemental Appropriations Act of 2009
War in Iraq is done, most troops will be out of Afghanistan by end of 2014. Sure, there will be some there but mostly contractors as far as I'm aware
Drone strikes, sure, but I'm not so sure he ever had an opposite position on that to "waffle" on. They didn't really become a "thing" until after he was President and started using them
Try again, sweetheart
While I'm glad he now supports gay marriage, his support has not been consistent, just like with everything else he does.
Omegasquash
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Waffling != crystallizing your position or evolving. If he were a waffler he'd say that he supported it, then say he didn't, then say he did, then say he didn't, and so on.
Guantanemo is open because congress made it illegal to close it.
It's clear you haven't been paying attention to politics much.
Flip flopping is being against/for something than doing the opposite.
While he was "against" gay marriage, he also opened up benefits for gay couples. So, there's that. Then, he said that his opinion might be changing due to meeting gay people that were close to him. Call it political pandering, but that's enough to fuck him with evangelicals.
It is completely obvious that you have zero grasp on the Presidents history if you're going to stand on your "every issue" statement and then group Guantanamo Bay, which has a whole issue of shit surrounding it legislatively, in the pile of issues he's waffled on.
See Romney. Not that there aren't some things the Presidents went back, but all in all he's consistent on the good and bad shit.
You really don't pay much attention to the news do you? What has he been inconsistent about?
He should have never promised something he could not fulfill. My point still stands.
Just regarding this one issue, aren't you in favor of people changing their minds for the better? Would you not accept anyone else's support on gay marriage if they, at one time, opposed it? There are many people who oppose it now, and to go forward you have to accept their change of belief as a good thing, not a character flaw.
Again, I am just referring to the issue of same sex marriage right now.
No it doesn't, he ordered it closed then Congress said no and passed a law saying he couldn't. He clearly had that power until Congress saw he wanted to use it then took it away.
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You're embarrassing yourself.
I just said that I am glad he now supports it, it is a good thing, but my opinion of him is one of him being an inconsistent president.
Okay, so just to be clear.
We've already established Obama doesn't have a history of being against Gay rights and then for them.
We've established that the Bay cannot be closed by the Executive branch without legislation, yet you feel your point stands since he honestly tried and wasn't able to?
Isn't that more, ya know, just not being able to do something as opposed to being a flip flopper? Any other issues you have with him you need cleared up?
He's supported it since May with his words and with his actions since his original election.
Omegasquash
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Which still doesn't make him a waffler.
My point regarding this is not that I am correct and you aren't, I understand where I fell short; it's that he should never have promised things he does not have the power to do.
windowlurker
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Did a quick wiki search and saw that countries were supporting same sex marriage back in 2001 for crying out loud, why are we so behind?
After he ordered it closed, Congress IMMEDIATELY made it illegal to use any money to close the facility or transfer its inmates to the civilian system. Like, within 48 hours.
It would be a fraudulent use of federal funds for obama to order it closed. He, and every person under him who aided in the closing, would be facing felony charges and years behind bars, and guantanemo would remain open.
Obama tried to close it, and then was forbidden from doing so. It was his first act as president, actually.
So he did NOT promise something he could not fulfill. He promised something he could fulfil, and then he went ou to fulfill it, but congress then made it unfullfillable.
Reality has become indistinguishable from Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff. Life imitating art imitating life imitating insanity! IT'S HAPPENING!
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In all seriousness, good to see more support. The floodwaters are rising and soon the Republicans will have no choice but to learn to swim.
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The Autumn Wind
When he made that promise, he did have the power do do so and fully intended to go through with it.
CoffeeJanitor
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Pretty sure it's fake.
Escape Goat
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Can I gay marry Obama?
CoffeeJanitor
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I can assure you he's not going the other way here
Yes, but did you post that on Twitter? Hmmm?
Omegasquash
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It is, and I bought it hook line and sinker. Color me gullible, but it's Scalia.
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Scalia is a scumbag, but he did not say this. It comes from a satirical New Yorker blog post.
So you're suggesting that it's bad that he decided to be on the right side of history.
Yes. Many people think that if somebody is wrong initially that they must stay wrong to have any integrity. If they correct themselves they are somehow worse off for it.
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