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[B-Dubs]

Voting third party is exercising your right to vote for whichever candidate you like the best. No vote is a "throw away vote" if you are participating in the election and are trying to make the decision you feel is the best one to make.

Voting for either of them means you either like the lady who thinks wifi causes cancer or the guy who isn't 100% sold on the civil rights act. Let's be real: they're both nuts and somehow worse than Trump.

 

[Lord of Ostia]

The only thing she lied about was the "gold standard" comment.

That's really it. Trump has so much more bullshit to call out on.

Ah that's true, forgot about that one. Still, it's obvious that her opposition to TPP is born solely from a desire to acquire Bernie supporters rather than any actual ideological conflict with the trade deal, so I'm not very concerned about that. She may claim to be against it, but I know she probably isn't and that's fine.

 

[Toxi]

Voting third party is exercising your right to vote for whichever candidate you like the best. No vote is a "throw away vote" if you are participating in the election and are trying to make the decision you feel is the best one to make.

You do realize the point of voting for a candidate is to actually get them elected, right?

 

[TrojanAg]

 

[reelbigtink]

I think it's fairly obvious that Hillary won the debate. I can't believe some of the things Trump said "it's just good business" to the 2008 Recession, defending not paying his workers, and admitting to not paying taxes. Jesus fuck how can he be spewing crap about Hillary raising taxes on the Rich after this when a Middle class citizen probably lasts more in taxes than him?

However, why is Trump leading in most post-debate polls over who won?

The polls I'm reading have Hillary on top.

 

[aGuyInaBearSuit]

Seeing Trump ahead on the CNBC and Time polls is baffling. He said nothing of substance and everything he said is either a regurgitated talking point or a blatant lie. Are people really so easily swayed by the fact that he was louder? Were they convinced by their basic, animalistic instincts that the loud one with the "alpha male" personality type is by default the most "right"?

My therapist wonders why I'm so cynical. Christ.

 

[DiscoJer]

In your opinion who won the debate ? I was working and missed everything

Trump first half, Clinton second half. I doubt it changed anyone's minds or convinced anyone undecided.

 

[jorma]

you: hey i want to get a sandwich for lunch
your friend: ok well the only two options are a subway sandwich or a sandwich literally made of bread and dog shit
you: those are both equally terrible choices! no thank you!

If Hilary was a subway sandwich no one would have to worry about Trump winning the election.

 

[DangerMouse]

That's because she wasn't lying out her ass the whole time.

This. And even then he was generous on Trump, he let him get in 2 or 3 or 4 lies before he'd finally have enough of it.

I understand that, but wouldn't it be her that should call him out on his lying, not the moderator?

She actually did call him out but his responses to that were "wrong" or "no I didn't" in the one-word answer, moody manner of a child when caught lying so eventually he had enough of it.

 

[Toxi]

I think it's fairly obvious that Hillary won the debate. I can't believe some of the things Trump said "it's just good business" to the 2008 Recession, defending not paying his workers, and admitting to not paying taxes. Jesus fuck how can he be spewing crap about Hillary raising taxes on the Rich after this when a Middle class citizen probably lasts more in taxes than him?

However, why is Trump leading in most post-debate polls over who won?

Online reader polls don't really count, since r/the_donald and /pol/ just brigade them as soon as they come up.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Voting third party is exercising your right to vote for whichever candidate you like the best. No vote is a "throw away vote" if you are participating in the election and are trying to make the decision you feel is the best one to make.

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.

 

[Grief.exe]

Voting third party is exercising your right to vote for whichever candidate you like the best. No vote is a "throw away vote" if you are participating in the election and are trying to make the decision you feel is the best one to make.

But have you looked at the third party candidates fam?

 

[TheOctodad]

Voting third party is exercising your right to vote for whichever candidate you like the best. No vote is a "throw away vote" if you are participating in the election and are trying to make the decision you feel is the best one to make.

You have a right to vote third party - absolutely.

it just won't change anything. If you need to do it for you and to exercise your right, I get it.

But don't be surprised if people who could be massively hurt by one of the major candidates views you as selfish.

 

[kvothe]

I missed that handshake refusal by Trump. What a man baby.

He did actually shake Lester's hand just moments later though.

 

[Regulus Tera]

Voting third party is exercising your right to vote for whichever candidate you like the best. No vote is a "throw away vote" if you are participating in the election and are trying to make the decision you feel is the best one to make.

Voting third party is your right and you should not feel pressured to vote for someone you don't agree with, but voting third party is also voting against your own interests.

 

[Ithil]

Seeing Trump ahead on the CNBC and Time polls is baffling. He said nothing of substance and everything he said is either a regurgitated talking point or a blatant lie. Are people really so easily swayed by the fact that he was louder? Were they convinced by their basic, animalistic instincts that the loud one with the "alpha male" personality type is by default the most "right"?

My therapist wonders why I'm so cynical. Christ.

Trump supporters rig those polls. This isn't an accusation, you can go to the Trump subreddit and see them linking the polls and telling everyone to stuff them with Trump votes.

 

[Toxi]

If Hilary was a subway sandwich no one would have to worry about Trump winning the election.

It's not Clinton's fault if the country can see that debate and not realize Donald Trump is a complete dumb fuck who doesn't belong anywhere near the Oval Office.

 

[NandoGip]

Can't wait to see pence explain the mental gymnastics it takes to be trumps vp

 

[Slacker]

These online insta-polls are generally pretty worthless. It's a pretty safe bet that any of them that show Trump way ahead in "who won the debate" are almost certainly being brigaded by the reddit/the_donald users.

Edit: You win this round, Toxi

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Online polls are poisoned wells. They're completely useless.

 

[Mahonay]

This was quite possibly the absolute worst presidential debate performance in recorded history. Constantly proven wrong, constantly saying the objectively wrong answer, belligerent, whiny, often times rambling incoherently. I don't think I can properly enumerate the amount of gaffes Trump had.

When asked about race relations: Argued Stop and Frisk was great. Numerous times. Even brought it up again after both Hillary and Lester were like "lolwut".

When asked about the accusations that he's sexist: Trashed Rosie O'Donnell during a presidential debate, saying she deserved it.

When asked about temperament: insists it's great, also insisted committing an act of war by opening fire on Iranian boats was totally not gonna start a war.

When asked about releasing his tax returns: It's the IRS' fault!
When told the IRS has no problem with him releasing anything: It's the IRS' fault!

When asked about why he's not paying his fair share in taxes: Admitted during a presidential debate of tax evasion, then says it's because he's being "smart"

When asked about NATO: He whines that other countries aren't paying their fair share.

When the subject of his stiffing his contractors: Argued they didn't do a good job, also said it was good business

On the lawsuit against him for housing discrimination: Didn't deny it, said he quickly settled.

Shit he obviously lied about:
-Supporting the Iraq war
-China fabricated global warming

Other random shit:
-Advocating a war crime of stealing Iraq's oil
-Rebuttal to everything was "you've been doing it for years and it sux!"
-"You've been fighting ISIS your whole life!"
-Repeated his "my father gave me a very small loan" line, despite the fact that it's been a laughing stock for months.

Random shit he took credit for:
-Making Obama "release his birth certificate" in 2011, despite him still beating that drum years later
-Clinton changing her mind about TPP
-NATO focusing on terrorism

Feel free to let me add more because I'm sure there's way more.

 

[Aaronology]

I was hoping Hillary would call out Trump's bullshit about our allies paying their due after admitting earlier in the night he's an American citizen that employs loopholes to avoid paying his own taxes. The hypocrisy was stark.

 

[FUME5]

 

[TaterTots]

but that is the point. when people say things like "ehhh, they're both bad" it does a disservice to HOW bad one is compared to the other. you may not like Hillary for whatever reason (I actually love her as a candidate and it has nothing to do with my hate for Trump) but she is in another solar system compared to Trump. Just as you may not like a subway sandwich for whatever reason, but realistically no one would (or should!) choose a dog shit sandwich. it's not even a contest worth debating

Well, I have to agree with your post. I do not like Hillary at all, but I'm gonna have to vote for her. I see several people responded to my posts. I missed the people saying she is equally as bad as Trump. Thread was moving too fast, so, to those, you can relax.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Voting third party is whatever. I feel like it's a waste of a vote, but it's your vote, do what you want with it

But if you're voting for either of them, I just hope you're not ignoring the dumb things they have said. Otherwise, what's the point? All you're doing is saying there's some dumb you'll ignore and some you won't.

 

[Toxi]

Is this dril's alt account?

 

[Effigenius]

when Hilary quoted Michele OBama's speech, I wanted her to turn romTrumo and say 'By the way, when you credit the First Lady when you quote one of her speeches, Its not plagaurism.

 

[Trouble]

Where do I sign up to be a jackbooted anti-vape thug? I'll provide my own sack of doorknobs and everything.

 

[xealo]

I think it's fairly obvious that Hillary won the debate. I can't believe some of the things Trump said "it's just good business" to the 2008 Recession, defending not paying his workers, and admitting to not paying taxes. Jesus fuck how can he be spewing crap about Hillary raising taxes on the Rich after this when a Middle class citizen probably lasts more in taxes than him?

However, why is Trump leading in most post-debate polls over who won?

Id say online polls probably aren't very reliable at this time given places like /pol/ or /r/the_donald over at reddit, id imagine hillary has a sizeable lead in a more seriously conducted poll, e.g phone polling.

 

[Stevetopsy]

Didn't trump fire him? Why is he still so supportive

Lewandowski signed a non-disclosure agreement after leaving the Trump campaign and he still receives $20,000 each month as severance until the end of the year from Trump. When all's said and done he'll have "earned" around 500k from Trump and his campaign. That gets you the sycophant you see tonight. An "analyst" who is being paid off by one of the candidates and possibly even legally restricted from saying anything seriously negative about him on television. It's a joke CNN even has him on their panel.

 

[Coolluck]

If Hilary was a subway sandwich no one would have to worry about Trump winning the election.

Maybe a better analogy than Subway would be Taco Bell. Where the food is fine for what it is and all those who keep shitting themselves over it probably need to look at themselves rather than the food.

 

[Apollo]

Trump supporters rig those polls. This isn't an accusation, you can go to the Trump subreddit and see them linking the polls and telling everyone to stuff them with Trump votes.

yeah because thousand of ppl know how to rig a poll.

 

[Grief.exe]

The most mind blowing moment for me was when Lester asked about race relations and Donald started talking about Law and Order and stop and frisk, which has been proven to disproportionally target innocent minorities.

 

[Evening Musuko]

There's nothing wrong with disliking both candidates, as long as you recognize that Trump is infinitely worse.

Ironically the two candidates Americans "hate" the most are also the ones that won their respective parties nominations by a fair amount. ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

 

[Clockwork5]

yeah because thousand of ppl know how to rig a poll.

It's scary but it's real.

 

[ScatheZombie]

To be fair, much of their production has moved to Mexico, correct? Headquarters in America but products from Mexico in many cases

No, not really. They have ~85,000 American workers and ~8,800 Mexican ones. They employ nearly 10x more people in the US than in Mexico. And the past few years, they've added ~28,000 new American jobs and only ~2,800 something in Mexico. It's literally in the article you didn't click.

 

[studyguy]

https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/780617668143550464/photo/1

!!!! In the spin room, Trump told reporters that he had a defective mic: "I wonder. Was that on purpose? Was that on purpose?"

 

[kevin1025]

Lewandowski signed a non-disclosure agreement after leaving the Trump campaign and he still receives $20,000 each month as severance until the end of the year from Trump. When all's said and done he'll have "earned" around 500k from Trump and his campaign. That gets you the sycophant you see tonight. An "analyst" who is being paid off by one of the candidates and possibly even legally restricted from saying anything seriously negative about him on television. It's a joke CNN even has him on their panel.

They reportedly paid him $600,000. Gotta make use of him, for better or worse. Definitely worse.

 

[Krejlooc]

"The IRS says there is nothing preventing you from releasing your tax returns while being audited."

"Yeah, that's what I said, I'll release them after the audit."

 

[arglebargle]

polls are polls to me to honest...even just saw that CNNs polls is bias. 500 ppl polled with 20% of them being only republicans.

the guy on cnn who reported this poll mentioned this about a thousand times to couch discussion of the poll. and if i remember correctly it was 26% R when the population is something like 28% R. the bigger issue with the sampling is that Ds were overrepresented. but its possible more Ds watched the debate than Rs since the poll was done on debate watchers. regardless the margin in clintons favor was overwhelming, far in excess of the sampling.

 

[the_batman]

"The IRS says there is nothing preventing you from releasing your tax returns while being audited."

"Yeah, that's what I said, I'll release them after the audit."

Lol, basically.

 

[EatinOlives]

"The IRS says there is nothing preventing you from releasing your tax returns while being audited."

"Yeah, that's what I said, I'll release them after the audit."

He literally just completely ignored what Lester said.

He did it numerous times but this was by far the most blatant. Hopefully Hillary grills him on it in the next one.

 

[Ithil]

yeah because thousand of ppl know how to rig a poll.

It's an open online poll, they are not hard to rig.

 

[TyrantII]

A significant portion of her policies are 1:1 (or at least very close anyways) with Bernie Sanders' policies before he stopped running, so much so that she offered to step down if he was willing to support the Green party as their candidate.

Would you say that Sanders had garbage policy positions?

Sanders said it's essential and vital to elect Clinton president. He's campaigning for her.

That's all that needs to be said

 

[OriginofHysteria]

There should've been a drinking game for when Trump admitted he evades paying taxes because I didn't expect him to do that.

 

[Boombloxer]

Trump first half, Clinton second half. I doubt it changed anyone's minds or convinced anyone undecided.

Nah, it's a pretty decisive win for Clinton. It absolutely will change people minds--the question is to what extent.

You have a right to vote third party - absolutely.

it just won't change anything. If you need to do it for you and to exercise your right, I get it.

But don't be surprised if people who could be massively hurt by one of the major candidates views you as selfish.

Also this. You can vote for whoever you want, but yes, a 3rd party vote generally doesn't matter, and doesn't actually help. So yes, it is selfish and you should be praised for a protest vote.

 

[Supast4r]

Was there a fucking moderator this debate? I just watched it and my god this wasn't moderated at all. Trump started out well and got beat hard as time went on.

 

[TyrantII]

yeah because thousand of ppl know how to rig a poll.

Guess you're news to this. Look up freeping

 

[civilstrife]

There should've been a drinking game for when Trump admitted he evades paying taxes because I didn't expect him to do that.

Clinton's response was perfect, reminding the audience that some of those taxes go toward veterans.
He was shook.

 

[Krejlooc]

"Stop and frisk was ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court for racial profiling."

"No it wasn't"

"Yes, it was, the supreme court ruled it unconstitutional."

"Well, no it's not, because if we appeal it, we'll win. The point is, stop and frisk works, it's good because it works, and it works so well."

"statistics show that stop and frisk actually did not lower crime"

"No, I know, it worked really well, and that's why we need stop and frisk."