Pressing "NO TIP" when paying your barber is one of the most awkward interactions

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You feel shame and awkward for a reason.

Tipping is expected for barbers. You aren't making a stand against tipping culture, just being a dick.
 
That enabling tip culture sentence in the OP makes me feel like this is a troll thread. If not, you're a horrible person and I hope you go to the same barber every time so that at least he gets some satisfaction of messing your haircut up in a way only others would notice.
 
I can sort of understand in the US since servers supposedly make below minimum wage. But in Canada, it just makes no sense since they must make minimum wage (usually more) like any other job. Basically we do it for no reason here. And other than high end restaurants here, I honestly don't think the service is any better than in places like Hong Kong where you don't tip. Hell, even cheap 1000-2000 yen restaurants in Tokyo (again, no tipping) have given me better service than the majority of tipping-mandatory restaurants I've been to in Canada and the US.

Frankly, I don't see improved service from tips at all. It really is just charity money since it's basically mandatory to tip.
 
highrider said:
Some restaurants do it that way, but the vast majority don't because people expect to tip. Servers are entry level positions, by putting them on a low salary it's more overhead for the restaurant. Tipping gives a server an opportunity to make decent money. Restaurants are a tough business, most of them fail. I doubt a lot of them could keep the lights on with a straight salary structure.
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Being expected to tip creates uncertainty and absolves the owner of responsibility.

Tipping should be a reward, not a top up to wages and bosses using it to keep basic wages low create higher staff turnover and it bites them in the behind anyway.

In the UK we have the horrible situation where many chains of restaurant allow for gratuity but the people who earn it never actually see the money. Having to ask if the server actually sees a tip is demeaning to both sides.

The workforce should be the most valuable part of a business, not the but to screw over. Pay proper wages!

However! For for professions like barbers who at basically self employed in the US especially? It's part and parcel of their livelihood, so tip unless if they do a bad job.
 
Had the worst haircut of my life from a "stylist" in some hairdresser in or near trumps mall in Vegas.

He went on about how fat he used to be and that even though he was slim now he had loads of extra skin. Good job on the gastric band though. Wasn't necessary to show me the skin.

Think it was 40 dollars and still expected a tip. For fuck sake.
 
GrizzleBoy said:
This.

If you want x amount of money for your services, fuckng ask for that.....why advertise lower, but expect more??
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It's worse in restaurants. You pay £40+ for a meal, and then they have the cheek to expect more. If you want more money, ask your manager for a raise. Don't expect me to help pay your bills for you, I have my own to pay.
 
Stop It said:
Being expected to tip creates uncertainty and absolves the owner of responsibility.

Tipping should be a reward, not a top up to wages and bosses using it to keep basic wages low create higher staff turnover and it bites them in the behind anyway.

In the UK we have the horrible situation where many chains of restaurant allow for gratuity but the people who earn it never actually see the money. Having to ask if the server actually sees a tip is demeaning to both sides.

The workforce should be the most valuable part of a business, not the but to screw over. Pay proper wages!

However! For for professions like barbers who at basically self employed in the US especially? It's part and parcel of their livelihood, so tip unless if they do a bad job.
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In a perfect world, the rich wouldn't fuck over poor people, I tip because they do.
 
You Are Viewtiful said:
Sorry to inform you, but tipping barbers is about as 'mandatory' as tipping waiters or delivery people.
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Barbers are cutting your fucking hair, man. This isn't a one-time experience you'll forget about the next day, this is the face you present to the world for weeks.

Tip them, they are craftsmen.

Man, cheap people piss me off.

Lots of people finding lots of reasons to justify being shitty. You know when you enter a tipping establishment that the practice is customary. Rather than not tip you should just not go there. Don't act like you're righteous for stiffing people when you know what is expected and you have an unspoken understanding of how this shit works.

Want to take a stand against tipping? Get your mom to cut your hair or make your dinner.

RoadHazard said:
What I especially don't understand is people defending it. It's trash.
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It doesn't matter if it's trash or not, it's already established. If you don't agree with tipping then I don't blame you, but then you should not patron a business where tipping is part of the model. I'm not defending tipping as a practice that *should* exist, I'm saying it *does* exist and the only acceptable way to avoid tipping is to avoid using those services all together.
 
I've been tipping $2 on a $12-13 haircut for the past 10 years. On the rare occasion, I'll tip $5. That's usually when I get someone different and they do my hair up real nice.
 
LambdaTeos said:
HAHAHAHHA this is so fucking stupid, sorry man but if your service changes because a customer doesn´t give you extra money, it just makes you look like an asshole.

my job ethic should not change depending on who tips and who doesn´t

NOW; i am NOT against tipping people, but with an example as celar as this one? oh no, i would rather take my business elsewhere
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If your job depended on tips then yea, you're not going to want to service that customer any time but last.
 
Razorback PT said:
As someone who lives in a non tipping culture country, let me tell you america, you're missing out.
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At least if you're a barber. My barber earns more than i do, and i don't tip her at all. She just gets the 35 euro her half hour of service costs me :)
 
jorma said:
At least if you're a barber. My barber earns more than i do, and i don't tip her at all. She just gets the 35 euro her half hour of service costs me :)
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It just depends on the salon. If you run your own business then you make all the money. If you work for a salon you either get a percentage of the rate or you get a seperate hourly wage, or both.

I always tip $2 minimum, usually if the cut is mediocre. A good cut and cool barber gets $4-5. And i'm broke as fuck. I don't get my hair cut very often so it's hardly a big deal.
 
So if i go to the US am i expected to tip every single low paid that provides me a service? Give me a list US gaffers of which low paid worker i should tip and i those i don't have to /s.
 
OverBlood 3 said:
I tip my barber and I live in the U.K.


The guy just cut your hair not passed you a pint.
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Which you're already paying both for.

I'm not in the US so it doesn't apply because it never applied....but.
Is it because a bartender is below a barber in your mind?

What constitutes someone earning a tip for you? By how much they earn? Do you know how much people earn? How much effort they put in to the job? What?

Why all these arbitrary rules?
Because it doesn't fucking make sense.

metalgear89 said:
So if i go to the US am i expected to tip every single low paid that provides me a service? Give me a list US gaffers of which low paid worker i should tip and i those i don't have to /s.
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That's what gets me, what if you're also a low earner but saved enough to go for a trip because you can, want to and why the fuck not?
Tip people in the same position as you? Ugh. Went to UK/London many moons ago when I was just a part-time worker because I had some spare cash and went to a restaurant with friends since flights only cost like £30, but I'm expected to tip someone who might earn more than me.

Please.
 
highrider said:
Some restaurants do it that way, but the vast majority don't because people expect to tip. Servers are entry level positions, by putting them on a low salary it's more overhead for the restaurant. Tipping gives a server an opportunity to make decent money. Restaurants are a tough business, most of them fail. I doubt a lot of them could keep the lights on with a straight salary structure.
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Weird, cafes and restaurants around the world seem to manage without doing this.
 
highrider said:
Some restaurants do it that way, but the vast majority don't because people expect to tip. Servers are entry level positions, by putting them on a low salary it's more overhead for the restaurant. Tipping gives a server an opportunity to make decent money. Restaurants are a tough business, most of them fail. I doubt a lot of them could keep the lights on with a straight salary structure.
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If they can't operate honestly, I don't really see the downside to letting those businesses fail.

I tip because I'm not an asshole and that's the structure of the food service industry. But it is 100% bullshit and does not need to work the way it does, and I will continue to philosophically support the position that tipping is a shitty way to fill in salaries that should be paid by the employer.
 
You show those snob hairdressers, OP. Of course, I hope you're telling them why you're stiffing them while doing so so they don't think you're a total dickhead, though I suspect not.
 
LyleLanley said:
What kind of son of a bitch doesn't tip their barber?
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I don't know why but reading this made me laugh my ass off. Bravo.

Again, if you don't tip that is your business. However, please stop saying you're doing it to change the system and fight for a higher wage for workers. That will not happen and you're only saving a few bucks. Don't feign nobility.
 
Jill Sandwich said:
Weird, cafes and restaurants around the world seem to manage without doing this.
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Because they have a different tax and wage system.


Vincent Grayson said:
If they can't operate honestly, I don't really see the downside to letting those businesses fail.

I tip because I'm not an asshole and that's the structure of the food service industry. But it is 100% bullshit and does not need to work the way it does, and I will continue to philosophically support the position that tipping is a shitty way to fill in salaries that should be paid by the employer.
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The job market isn't great in America. I think you'd find the majority of servers would rather be doing something else, but it's an entry level job where you can make decent money. The alternative is a salary similar to fast food or retail, which nobody can live on.
 
I haven't gone to the barber in years but I never used to tip. It actually wasn't a thing back then though. Why would you tip your barber? You are paying them full price for services rendered. They do a bad job and you just go to another barber.
 
I tip people in the service industry if I get personal attention. Barbers, tattoo artists, etc. I dont like tipping servers since their service is a throwaway experience most of the time. Its an obligation to tio them.
 
sinkfla87 said:
I don't know why but reading this made me laugh my ass off. Bravo.

Again, if you don't tip that is your business. However, please stop saying you're doing it to change the system and fight for a higher wage for workers. That will not happen and you're only saving a few bucks. Don't feign nobility.
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Pretty much.
 
Hate to break the bad news to you, but tipping your barber has been a thing since before you were probably even alive. You should feel bad.
 
OP, you're a terrible person. You're rationalizing it too, to take a moral high ground, which makes it even worse.

Don't be cheap. Cut your own damn hair if you don't want to tip anyone.
 
Alex Stroud said:
You show those snob hairdressers, OP. Of course, I hope you're telling them why you're stiffing them while doing so so they don't think you're a total dickhead, though I suspect not.
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Oh, absolutely. Every single person who feels like they shouldn't have to tip in the service industry really should be upfront and honest about it before they are serviced.

At least let them know ahead of time. Tell them you aren't tipping and tell them why. If you think that is going to have a negative impact on the service you get then you should patron a place where tipping isn't expected.

I'm sure a lot of people will still provide good service, though. Not everyone is a greedy monster. A lot of people are very professional and respectful.

sinkfla87 said:
Again, if you don't tip that is your business. However, please stop saying you're doing it to change the system and fight for a higher wage for workers. That will not happen and you're only saving a few bucks. Don't feign nobility.
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brau said:
Always tip generously. Its not only good karma, but it always brighten someones day when they deserve it. At least the way i see it.
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If even half of people followed this advice it would stop being a nice surprise and start being the expected thing.
 
17 Seconds said:
and the reason the boss does this is because stiffing the low level employee doesn't hurt him. you don't see the problem with this? if you do consider the tipping system a "problem", then you're part of it.
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Somehow, every country except for the USA managed to find a solution for that.
 
Jesus fuck. It's not like hair dressers/barbers are earning a pitiful wage like bar staff/waiters are. Cutting hair professionally is a trade/skill.

I give my barber £30 and that's the actual amount he charges for a wet cut. Dude doesn't need a tip when he's making £30 per hour.
 
While I do tip (not because I want to but because I'm like keep the 5 dollar change)
I think this whole tipping shit is stupid. I'm not giving you any more money than you asked for so get out of here with that tipping shit. How are you gonna blame me for not providing you with more money than the asking price because your boss runs a sweat shot?
 
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