Then let it happen.
In a normal place with normal people unlike America then the reward for good service would be any subsequent visits not a "he'll fuck your shit up next time you come fam".
Pressing "NO TIP" when paying your barber is one of the most awkward interactions
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Then let it happen.
In a normal place with normal people unlike America then the reward for good service would be any subsequent visits not a "he'll fuck your shit up next time you come fam".
Inferno313
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What fantasy world do you live in where any boss would be like: "Yeah, ok."
The US laws straight-up allow waiters to be paid less than minimum wage because it's assumed they're making that back in tips. It's the system that's in place and you're an asshole if you think the way to change the system is to punish the victims of said system.
It's an expectation of going out to eat. The bill itself is for your food, not for the service of having your food brought out to your lazy ass. That's what the tip is for.
You are greatly misunderstanding what is going on here.
The client is paying with a debit/credit card. There is an option to leave the tip using the card if you don't have cash on you. Restaurants do it too.
Its for your convenience, not to shame.
Also just want to add to Inferno's post. At many restaurants the tips are pooled and also go to the food runners, bus boys and bartenders. It's not just a direct tip to your waiter based on their service, but the level of overall service by everyone. I won't judge other cultures, but Americans who don't tip are fucking assholes. I have had managers run after customers and confront them and tell them to never come back after they stiffed me.
This.
What about barbershops? Are we paying for the haircut, or the barber's ability to operate in that shop?
DudeWithNoName
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Jipping. Nice...a racist to boot.
hikarutilmitt
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That actually depends. I've been going to the same barber for 20 years, now (oh geez I just realized this), and I still give her an extra couple of bucks. Her prices have gone up a couple of times during that, but even with the most recent increase it's only $17, so now I just hand her a $20 and call it a day since that's what comes out of the ATM on my way there (I don't carry cash) and I don't want a single sitting in my pocket being used for nothing.
Oh won't someone please think of the Gypsys!!
What do all you s*******s do when you go out with a large group and the gratuity is automatically added to the bill? (amusingly enough, because of people like you in the first place)
You fuck over all your friends and don't pay your part? I mean, as many of you said, you can afford the tip, but you are taking a stand. You don't back down from your stand in front of others, do you? Thats not much of a stand.
You fuck over all your friends and don't pay your part? I mean, as many of you said, you can afford the tip, but you are taking a stand. You don't back down from your stand in front of others, do you? Thats not much of a stand.
It's not good will it's a cultural expectation, and how the entire industry is set up. A tough and competitive industry where a lot of businesses go under despite relying on tips to pay part of their workers salary.
If they changed the system you'd just be paying more for your food; meanwhile the rest of us would pay roughly the same since we've been giving the expected tip.
If you can't afford the food + a 15% tip then you can't really afford the food and the service that comes along with it. You are just taking advantage of a system that allows you to not participate in part of the cost of the goods and services; good for you I guess.
In fairness, a lot of people truly don't know where that word comes from or never make the association. I didn't until a GAF thread about Gypsies.
That boy ain't right
Tipping threads are always interesting because inevitably someone that hasn't faced much adversity in their life shows up and wonders why everyone else in the world can't be like them. No perspective.
SoldierOfLight
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Haha I'm going to use this next time.
I wouldn't have a problem with tipping if barbers, waiters, etc. Would take it as a once in a while not entitled to sort of thing. But having heard waiters/waitresses bitch about low or no tippers as being cheap as if they deserved a higher tip set me to not tip. Especially when the job I had was a lot tougher (no tips) and they were bring home more than me each week.
I still tip but always have to tell my wife less than what she wants to tip everytime. So if my wife says 10, I say 5 and so on.
Wow I guess tips are the problem then!
Maybe people shouldnt enable a shitty system to the point where your salary is now [Under Minimum Wage] + [Good Will of Consumers]
I don't care if I'm "punishing" a waiter by not participating in the "system". My whole point is I shouldn't be tipping or have to tip in the first place. Trying to jedi mind trick people by saying "Wow, so you're going to punish the waiters by not tipping? wtf, asshole" isn't going to work on me and is only trying to prolong a system that is by default shit.
LOL AT LAZY. I'm not fucking crippled. I don't want a waiter bringing me food in the first place. I'd sooner get up and get that food myself. What do you think I do in a cafeteria? Family dinner? A luncheon?
You think I give a fuck about the dude who pours my drink. I wasn't particularly in need of their assistance in the first place. If I had to get my food myself I would 100 percent of the time.
Also you pay a fucking bill that should be going to the salary and upkeep of the restaurant and in exchange for paying you get a cooked fucking meal.
Also I don't give a shit about changing the system I care about partaking in it. It's your wage so you can complain about it.
As a foreigner living in America for almost 15 years now, it's embarrassing to see how small minded so many my fellow non-Americans tend to be.
I didn't tip my hairdressers or waiters in NZ, but I paid more there for service and food that was no better.
Who pays 15% these days? The expectation is 18-20%. I typically tip about 25% and more of the service is exceptional. I only do 15% on takeout.
Lol I love all these assumptions coming up about the lifestyle of other people. As if you know anything about my life because I don't feel like tipping someone who already has a job and should be making a proper salary
Inferno313
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damn, juniors are on a role all over the place today.
Food service workers are paid in wages and tips, not salary.
I pay 15% all the time. Most of the time I round up so the math is easier i.e. $4.15 -> $5.
StrongBlackVine
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I don't think barber's deserve mandatory tips, but I generally do it out of a feeling obligation. Sometimes I won't if I think the price is too high already.
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Make it so they aren't living off tips and instead get the guaranteed income that you deserve when you provide a service
A wage is a literal synonym for salary.
Breakfast at Noon
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Americans and tipping always amazes me.
In the UK no one ever asks for a tip and if they did they would probably get told to fuck off.
In the UK no one ever asks for a tip and if they did they would probably get told to fuck off.
Inferno313
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They can be used interchangeably, but an hourly wage and a salary are two different concepts.
Of the price I paid
thechristoph
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If you can't afford to tip then you probably can't afford to eat out.
StopMakingSense
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Huh? Racism against Roma is a very real thing.
Very Berry Sunday
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How long does it take your barber to cut your hair?
SoldierOfLight
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This is bs.
So I can't eat in your delicious dining place because I can't tip because what? You want to separate a class of people with expendable income while others make enough to enjoy nice things on a rare occasion? We shouldnt have to work and save more just to take tipping into consideration.
These people are doing their J O B . If they don't like not getting tipped enough or at all, they can reconsider what they do.
Edit- I misread that slightly.
US tipping culture is creeping into Canada as well despite the fact that people are paid minimum wage or above here. My friend worked for Panago pizza and would make $14 an hour. With tips he would routinely get $20 or $30 by the end of the day, enough to fill his beater car full with enough gas for a week.
These days it seems even the basest modicum f service requires a tip in the US. Delivering pizza, cutting hair, food service, lawn maintenance, delivery of mail or newspapers, etc. At what point is enough enough and customers are no longer forced to subsidize employee wages because employers don't want to pay decent wages? Without tipping how many industries would fail, what does that tell you? These days even mechanica have a tipping option for doing oil changes, basic work. Food service I can understand, but why is there tipping for take out? Is literally packing food and handing it to the customer that demanding? Tips are customary for a good job, you want to support your barber as a long time client, otherwise if it is required it is vicious cycle whereby customers are shafted paying higher and higher amounts. I now routinely see 20-25% as the bare minimum. All I tip for is a sit down meal these days and I am so glad Canada is not at the crazy level the US with regards to tips.
These days it seems even the basest modicum f service requires a tip in the US. Delivering pizza, cutting hair, food service, lawn maintenance, delivery of mail or newspapers, etc. At what point is enough enough and customers are no longer forced to subsidize employee wages because employers don't want to pay decent wages? Without tipping how many industries would fail, what does that tell you? These days even mechanica have a tipping option for doing oil changes, basic work. Food service I can understand, but why is there tipping for take out? Is literally packing food and handing it to the customer that demanding? Tips are customary for a good job, you want to support your barber as a long time client, otherwise if it is required it is vicious cycle whereby customers are shafted paying higher and higher amounts. I now routinely see 20-25% as the bare minimum. All I tip for is a sit down meal these days and I am so glad Canada is not at the crazy level the US with regards to tips.
Very Berry Sunday
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How much is the haircut?
I don't doubt it is, I do doubt that the poster who wrote "jipping" is racist against Romani people.
When you can't afford an extra $5-$7 on a bill because you're a broke boi, you probably should just stay at home. Or go to McDonalds or something
Yep lmao
I never tip and in the rare cases I do it's not so much about tipping them but not messing around waiting for small change and I mean small change & they never ask for it or expect it. I see people here tipping $2 $3 or even $5-7.. Fuck that, If you asked/expected/hinted at that much tip I'd tell you to fuck off and get on your bike lol.
Asking for a tip is cheeky to me, America will hate me if I ever go there on holiday.
LyleLanley
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Or you could just go to an affordable restaurant.
How About No
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Tipping, casual Roma racism, just need a little circumcision and we'll have a good ol' GAF trifecta!!
OK, we'll do just that.
What sound advice you're giving us consumers!
We'll get rid of our shitty President and cabinet while we're at it, why not?!
It's SO easy, we're SO empowered!!
OK, we'll do just that.
What sound advice you're giving us consumers!
We'll get rid of our shitty President and cabinet while we're at it, why not?!
It's SO easy, we're SO empowered!!
30.00 cut and 15.00 beard trim
hikarutilmitt
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Whoa hold on. I tip waiters as I see fit but no way am I just dealing with a plate that is completely wrong.
if it don't apply, let it fly
This. You don't deserve that food you just paid for. Get the fuck outta here you bum! Next time if you want to be cheap, get your food from the trash.
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