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Pro-Trump demonstrators, counter-protesters rally in downtown Seattle

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traveler

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Not a fan of it, but communism =/= USSR, unless your point is that any implementation of communist ideology is doomed to the same failings as the USSR. (Which would require a greater argument than "read up on history")
 
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SeanTSC

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You cant just take the law in your own hands. You all know this.



It is tired seeing anyone that has different opinions labeled as Nazis. Using violence to shut down speech you do not agree with is wrong.

White Supremacy isn't a fucking "different opinion" and if you march with Nazis you're a god damned Nazi.
 

sphagnum

Banned
Holy fuck.

You need to read a bit more.

Cool response, really adds to the discussion. Please tell me how communists, anarchists, and socialists aren't heavily involved in these protests and literally putting their bodies on the line standing up to fascists. Unless you think only peaceful protests are valid, in which case we've all been talking about that subject in other threads for the past two days.

Or just say something about "but the USSR!" and ignore context. It won't matter because I already hate Stalin more than you and whatever you bring up I probably already agree with.

Socialism is not the enemy here.
 

rjinaz

Member
You cant just take the law in your own hands. You all know this.



It is tired seeing anyone that has different opinions labeled as Nazis. Using violence to shut down speech you do not agree with is wrong.

So are you never going to address how White Supremacy isn't just a difference of opinion? Or how the Trump administration actively targeting minorities isn't just a difference of opinion, or nah?
 

Mahonay

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Not a fan of it, but communism =/= USSR, unless your point is that any implementation of communist ideology is doomed to the same failings as the USSR. (Which would require a greater argument than "read up on history")
Indeed. For instance, Communism isn't what told Stalin to send his own people to the slaughter.
 

Lynn616

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Your position doesn't make any sense. Do you think "free speech" is some nebulous bubble where your preferred version of it faces no opposition whatsoever? A counter-protest is free speech at work. Do you think any protest without a government permit is invalid? Should they all be rounded up into caged "free speech zones"?

What exactly are you trying to argue besides "leave the Nazis alone!"?

Counter-protesting with words of course is great. I would defend their right as well. Using violence to stop others from speaking is wrong.
 
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Pretty sure Nazis failed because they got blown the fuck up while Communists failed because the Soviet Union had a rickety central planning system.

Communists are willing to critique themselves, fascists aren't. The USSR is only held in high regard by tankies. Nazis worship Hitler.

Communists are fighting in the streets to protect minorities, fascists are trying to kill them.

One group is superior.

Yikes...

But hey, whatever you want to do to get attention.
 

sphagnum

Banned
Like for gods sake people want to cheer when an Antifa punches Richard Spencer or when Redneck Revolt talks about teaching leftists how to use guns or when someone drops a Malcolm X quote.

But when these people, who are ALREADY SOCIALISTS/ANARCHISTS/COMMUNISTS display a hammer and sickle then my god they're just as bad as the Nazis they're fighting!
 
You cant just take the law in your own hands. You all know this.



It is tired seeing anyone that has different opinions labeled as Nazis. Using violence to shut down speech you do not agree with is wrong.

Yes, it turns out I am going to call white supremacists and people rocking the Nazi flag and doing the salute Nazis. And I feel pretty goddamn good about that

I will shut down their speech any chance I get. Their speech doesn’t deserve to be heard. There shouldn’t be a debate about people’s right to exist
 
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Like for gods sake people want to cheer when an Antifa punches Richard Spencer or when Redneck Revolt talks about teaching leftists how to use guns or when someone drops a Malcolm X quote.

But when these people, who are ALREADY SOCIALISTS/ANARCHISTS/COMMUNISTS display a hammer and sickle then my god they're just as bad as the Nazis they're fighting!

No one reasonable wants anything to do with either of you.

Sure, you're somewhat better in that you want to bash the Nazis, but that only affords you so much...

We all know what kind of world you want should you find support and success, and it's not a place most of us want to be.

edit: as an aside, I just became aware of the word Antifa the other day and I already absolutely loathe it.
 
You cant just take the law in your own hands. You all know this.



It is tired seeing anyone that has different opinions labeled as Nazis. Using violence to shut down speech you do not agree with is wrong.
Let's give them the Sudetenland, I'm sure they'll be satisfied and not feel the need to act on the rhetoric they've made the foundation of their ideology.
 
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