Ugh. :/
Odd that SMS didn't really address this yet in the forums, by the looks of it, as it seems to be a major, major bug. I hope this is patchable and will actually be patched in the near future.
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Project CARS | OT | Made by 80.000 slightly mad developers
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Ugh. :/
Odd that SMS didn't really address this yet in the forums, by the looks of it, as it seems to be a major, major bug. I hope this is patchable and will actually be patched in the near future.
It has to do with the capabilities of the hardware I guess.
edit: sorry, i thought he was referring to all the bugs in the x1 build compared to pc/ps4. i think i misinterpreted his post
Yeah I noticed it very early on when I ran a race of Formula B on Watkins Glen with a full grid. My thoughts went a bit like this:
"Hm, actually keeps a decent framerate, not bad!"
"Hang on, why the hell am I going so slowly?"
It's an utterly stupid bug (feature?) to have in a racing game.
I really wanted to like PCars on PC, but for some reason my Thrustmaster TX wheel always calibrates crooked, despite me flashing the firmware. There is a lot of resistance and I am not able to straighten it out. This same wheel works flawlessly on Forza 5 and Forza Horizon on XB1. It is really annoying to have the wheel always be crooked to drive straight.
RaySpencer
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Is 80.000 some weird Europe thing? 
80,000!
80,000!
xrnzaaas
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It's 80000. Yes, we can count zeroes without additional help. ;p
The people (and yes, specifically GHG) acting as though this game's fundamental issues are particular to one version are mistaken. My time has been exclusively on the PS4 version, and I stopped even recording clips showing the race-compromising issues because there were so many of them. Off-track flags triggered when alone in the middle of the track, differences in race-times independent of actual driving, AI unaffected by weather and terrain, temporarily lost customization mid race-series, and poor controller implementation. As (much appreciated) improvements have been made with patches, even more troubling issues have been made clear. This game wasn't released in an acceptable state, and it's still struggling.
That said, the Sahlen's Hot Dogs billboards on Watkins Glen do quite a bit to garner my love.
That said, the Sahlen's Hot Dogs billboards on Watkins Glen do quite a bit to garner my love.
Weltall Zero
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Hey people, does anyone here have the PS4 UK version of the game? I got the game along with the PS4 and TLOU/W3 via Amazon UK's deal, but I don't like racing games, like, at all. I want to sell the game but first I need to know if it can be set to Spanish (I live in Spain and it wouldn't be fair for the buyer to be stuck with a game in English). Unfortunately I can't find that information anywhere, and I don't want to open the game to find out as it'd be worth less, obviously.
If anyone has the PS4 UK version, could you set the console to Spanish and tell me if the game changes to Spanish? It would be extremely appreciated!
Not here in Spain, we do separate thousands with a dot. And decimal numbers with a comma. Yes, it makes it hell going back and forth between English and Spanish style numbers, especially when inputting decimal numbers, where you have to use a different character depending if the application or web site is localized or not.
If anyone has the PS4 UK version, could you set the console to Spanish and tell me if the game changes to Spanish? It would be extremely appreciated!
Not here in Spain, we do separate thousands with a dot. And decimal numbers with a comma. Yes, it makes it hell going back and forth between English and Spanish style numbers, especially when inputting decimal numbers, where you have to use a different character depending if the application or web site is localized or not.
No they are down to your driving style or set up? If you are racing a track in a hot climate at midday you will want to open the air vent more, also downshifting to aggressively and redlining each gear are normally a cause, so try a slightly higher final gear which will be less damaging on gearbox. most cars have water temperatures on dash try keep a eye on them, as the info here is really important if you run your setup to aggressive your car will start loosing power towards end off race faster.
TylerDurden4321
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Why do I find the use of the word "weird" weirdly disrespectful here?
Inches, feet, miles, ounces, pounds, gallons, Fahrenheit (admitted, Celsius neither, it should all be Kelvin) are completely outdated and have no place in modern physics, and now our usage of the comma as a decimal separator is "weird", huh?
By the way, it's NOT a Euro thing.
[just couldn't keep it in, sorry]
wowbaggerBR
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What I find most disturbing in this new bug is that the route to fix it will probably go around limiting the number of AI cars on track. Which is a bummer for anyone who likes endurance racing like I do.
To people who've worked with high-precision numbers alongside high value integers, using a period instead of a comma can be quite weird for measurements. The numbers after the decimal mark aren't fractional in the thread title which is why it's confusing, if not bordering on inaccurate depending on the setting.
Apparently, there is no bug, Ian said that they've checked their versions, and it was a big waste of time because it doesn't happen.
I've tried to replicate it on the PS4, and I can't get anything conclusive, so I don't really know either way.
xrnzaaas
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Had a nice lap at the ring in a different classic Ford. Felt like my first half of the lap was great, and started to slide more in the second half.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQVpjGboxKs
Let it make a short replay video the the first quarter that I thought was particularly good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJk0XasLBZs
Going to take this car into time trial mode there and see what I can do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQVpjGboxKs
Let it make a short replay video the the first quarter that I thought was particularly good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJk0XasLBZs
Going to take this car into time trial mode there and see what I can do.
RaySpencer
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Haha.
No, the comma isnt weird (to me
), its using a period as a way to separate the hundreds from the thousands that's weird! decimal points are for for fractions of numbers! hahaedit:
Yeah! This guy knows what's what.
TylerDurden4321
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No, the comma isnt weird (to me
Have you guys considered that in countries that use the comma as a decimal mark, the period is used as a thousands separator? (it's like that in a LOT of countries)
You can fight the argument by saying "but the thread title is in english and then it should be period and not comma", but then it's just a typo and not some "weird euro thing", ok?
Edit:
Are we on the same page now?Wikipedia on Delimiters and "Decimal Grouping" said:
RaySpencer
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Man, I wasnt trying to be mean, I was just pointing out that I think it looks weird to me, haha.
I will edit my original comment so it makes more sense.
TylerDurden4321
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It's ok, ...it just sounded like discrimination of other cultures when I read your comment first. I believe you that you didn't mean to discriminate and just wanted to point out that in a title written in english, it looks "weird".
No harm done.
[*whispering* let's stop derailing, it's already waay too much about nothing]
Go on road America gt3 and put 44 cars on, see what lap you get then go in free practice maybe I'm picking up on it more as I'm running very close to limit with the Z4 on the track, as been practicing it for league, I might make a video to show you guys in here. was about 8-10 seconds slower for me a lap was really horrible. I'm shocked they haven't noticed it to be fair.
wowbaggerBR
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I tried to replicate that, but my findings are inconclusive.
I think to really measure this we need to go scientific and on a trully blind test.
Where did he say this? I can't find any word from him in that thread.
Anyway, I hope they are right. I really love the driving feel on this game, but all those bugs, crashes, freezes and idiotic UI design are making playing pCARS a bit tiresome lately.
opticalmace
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I left the pits and all my tires were flat.. da fuq?
Crash55118
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Had the same thing happen to me. Single player is basically unplayable atm :/
I had to adjust my pit strategy so the tyre pressures were over inflated. Try adding 5-7% more than the default. Makes cornering rubbish because the tyres are so inflated but hey at least it drives
Auto-Reply
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Didn't know this game is that bug ridden... maybe I should have bought Assetto Corsa instead (but that doesn't have weather etc.)
I've done a bit more testing.
There is definitely some disparities between laptimes, for example, I did a GT3 race at Donington, and then another, same car, and the second race I couldn't get within 4 seconds of the laptime I set in the first race, however....
I believe the AI suffered the same level of disparities, as I didn't notice they were any quicker or slower.
So to summarize, yes, there are laptime differences, but I can only assume they are down to track temperature and/or atmospheric conditions, although if that is the case, I'd say it's overkill, 4 seconds is A LOT.
There is definitely some disparities between laptimes, for example, I did a GT3 race at Donington, and then another, same car, and the second race I couldn't get within 4 seconds of the laptime I set in the first race, however....
I believe the AI suffered the same level of disparities, as I didn't notice they were any quicker or slower.
So to summarize, yes, there are laptime differences, but I can only assume they are down to track temperature and/or atmospheric conditions, although if that is the case, I'd say it's overkill, 4 seconds is A LOT.
Is 80.000 some weird Europe thing?
80,000!
Well .... yes
We use a dot for every thousand.
Because a " , " would be a decimal
80,000 = 80,0 = 80
Not in the UK we don't!
A new article re patch 1.04
Interesting to not that pushing the Temporal AA slider all the way down has a slight impact on framerate.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...cars-patch-104-boosts-visuals-and-runs-faster
Better put it up slightly then
Interesting to not that pushing the Temporal AA slider all the way down has a slight impact on framerate.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...cars-patch-104-boosts-visuals-and-runs-faster
Better put it up slightly then
It is not track temperature I've driven the track in every time day and rain everything even in heavy rain I could get a 2.13.0 I was struggling to get that time in dry with 44 cars, maybe it's just a random bug that only shows up every now and then, I'll need to try replicate it.
wowbaggerBR
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Well, that's a bit reassuring.
Only Ian Bell to think that test a bug report in a messed up game is a waste of time, heh?
Thing is, if it is track temperature and atmospheric conditions, is an amazing oversight keep this information hidden from the player on console versions.
It's borderline stupid going to all the trouble to simulate those things in such manner that they can ruin your performance without you being able to know what is going on.
Bell sounds like he has a really bad attitude, the way he says that testing for the bug was a waste of time. Especially since the original report for it had so much information to show it was reported in good faith. I've experienced the gulfs in time consistency, even with effectively the same race performance, so even if it's truly caused by invisible-to-the-player conditions, I consider that a problem.
A relatively easy solution would be to make those condition visible pre-race, and give the ability to restrict them through settings. Has SMS said they'll be doing that?
Weltall Zero
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I hate spamming, but I really need to know this kind of ASAP:
Anyone? Pretty please?
Actually, that's precisely the only case when there's no ambiguity. 1.001 could be one thousand and one, or one and one thousandth; same for 1,000. However 1.000,001 or 1,000.001 are unambiguously one thousand and one thousandth, they can't be anything else.
This is why I'm hesitant to buy it right now. The price is good but if it's bug filled then why bother. The more forum post I read the less open to the purchase I become. I figured since the Wii U version is likely not coming the PC version would be great but if it's not running as it should then why waste the money.
LordAmused
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I bought it yesterday, and honestly, I haven't encountered a single bug since.
The game has a lot of unconvinient bugs. Some may be deal breakers to some, others have easy workarounds. But the core experience is well worth it in my opinion.
People tend to go to the forums and talk about their bad experiences more than about their good experiences.
TylerDurden4321
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You want to read something positive about Project CARS? Just go to a Forza thread. Want to hear how Gran Turismo is still the best racing game out there? To the Forza forums!
If you want to read something positive about Forza though..., maybe you're better off on a PCARS thread then.
Jamesways
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Fixed! Yeah, good point though.
Smiles and Cries
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can I make PCars control like DriveClub?
Can I put the steering on the D-Pad? (like I have driveclub set up because my fingers hurt after a while with that stick)
I will purchase this if I can get some of these
I know it is a sim but I was hoping you can mess with the settings
Can I put the steering on the D-Pad? (like I have driveclub set up because my fingers hurt after a while with that stick)
I will purchase this if I can get some of these
I know it is a sim but I was hoping you can mess with the settings
I'm pretty sure you can map the controls to the dpad if you like. There's also a whole host of tweaking options (and recommended settings on the pCARS forums) so you can dial the feel in however you want. Default settings need some work, apparently.