Project Scorpio to be shown off next week according to Jez C... (READ MOD POST)

My bad, I thought they'd at least have a presentation planned like how Sony (poorly) introduced the Pro.

E3 should have all the hardware nonsense out of the way for games.

Honestly, a DF video is much better anyway. Its 3rd party so no affiliation with MS, and will most probably be super detailed. An event before e3 just doesnt make any sense to me.

If they had a ton of games to show, okay. Show some now some at e3, but i doubt thats the case.
 
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Epitomizes this long roller coaster, doesn't it. Full speed ahead.
 
My bad, I thought they'd at least have a presentation planned like how Sony (poorly) introduced the Pro.

E3 should have all the hardware nonsense out of the way for games.

But your concern still remains. Shinobi generally has a good pulse on what the industry is doing. He doesn't even reveal everything he knows, just what he feels conformable with. He would know if MS was planning on investing in any large new game projects or studios. And right now it's crickets.
 
I think the question you should be asking is "who is the Scorpio's target consumer"

The Pro illustrated a decent subgroup of people looking for a little more horsepower for their 4K TV or, even more niche, their PSVR. That is talking into account the large playerbase the PS4 currently has thanks to strong launch and now extremely strong exclusive software. The Pro was never meant to be the "next big thing" or the "new Playstation" and even Andy House blatantly said it was basically just to keep enthusiasts from jumping to PC after the halfway point in the gen. There wasn't anything riding on PS4 Pro, it was basically locking down enthusiasts.

Scorpio has a much different set of circumstances to contend with. Xbox won't have any true exclusives going forward, and on top of that the first party situation is pretty dire presently. It doesn't have the huge install base, so if say the same % of people who upgraded from the PS4 to Pro upgraded from XB1 to Scorpio, it will still be much less. And MS still has to convince people the graphics upgrade is massive enough for the price tag, while also dealing with people that already have decent PCs having no reason whatsoever to buy a Scorpio (while at the same time reassuring people that the XB1S they just bought last year won't be worthless in 12 months)

It's a tough road ahead for MS, but I think they have a good shot to at least turn around brand perception, even though they won't close the hardware gap this gen.

Great point. We'll see what they do.
 
Forza is literally what they used to show off the Xbox One in that horrible reveal presentation. I know this isn't a reveal presentation for the Scorpio, but I don't see how this is going to do any better than X1.
 
Forza is literally what they used to show off the Xbox One in that horrible reveal presentation. I know this isn't a reveal presentation for the Scorpio, but I don't see how this is going to do any better than X1.

Zelda was used to show off the Phillips CD-i

What's your point here
 
Forza is literally what they used to show off the Xbox One in that horrible reveal presentation. I know this isn't a reveal presentation for the Scorpio, but I don't see how this is going to do any better than X1.

And forza wasn't the problem with that presentation. If anything it was a positive highlight.
 
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That does not instill confidence that a powerful box is going to fix what Microsoft thinks it will.

It's not like Microsoft can just conjure up a game out of thin air. This year's plan was Crackdown, Forza, SoT, HW2, and Scalebound, which is actually a very respectable exclusive showing. Problem was they lost Scalebound. They can't just release a game in its place because these things take time.

I'm 99% sure they'll show Halo 6 gameplay on Scorpio though (2018 release).
 
I hope they got more to show off than Forza 7.

Shinobi not seeing a lot of new stuff makes me fear that they aren't going to come out swinging with this event.
They got to really nail this presentation with new, fresh games.

A bit beaten, but apparently they will have a staggered reveal with lots of press coverage, this week starting with the specs.
 
Yeah this still blows my mind. You can see it was really supposed to be revealed round about now and not have 10 months of no news

Polygon actually confirmed that MS only announced the Scorpio because they felt they had no choice with Sony announcing the Pro. They did not want people to think they had nothing to counter it.

A risky strategy and one I would not have liked to make a decision for.
 
It's not like Microsoft can just conjure up a game out of thin air. This year's plan was Crackdown, Forza, SoT, HW2, and Scalebound, which is actually a very respectable exclusive showing. Problem was they lost Scalebound. They can't just release a game in its place because these things take time.

I'm 99% sure they'll show Halo 6 gameplay on Scorpio though (2018 release).

Speaking of SoT, I'm betting it's not going to make 2017. I'm thinking we'll get a beta toward the end of the year, but that's it. It's April and they're still figuring out the basics of sword combat. That does not suggest a release this year.
 
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That does not instill confidence that a powerful box is going to fix what Microsoft thinks it will.

A powerful box with good messaging and price is all MS needs. They are not missing any big games this holiday and will be able to parrot that all games will run best on Scorpio.

People weren't buying PS4's for 1st party content in the holiday season.
 
A powerful box with good messaging and price is all MS needs. They are not missing any big games this holiday and will be able to parrot that all games will run best on Scorpio.

People weren't buying PS4's for 1st party content in the holiday season.

Correct they were buying cheaper price cut systems in the holidays bundled with popular 3rd party games

Something Microsoft wouldn't be able to counter with still with a system of the best multiplats since the Xbox One S will be the main seller this holiday and they can easily price cut that system
 
A powerful box with good messaging and price is all MS needs. They are not missing any big games this holiday and will be able to parrot that all games will run best on Scorpio.

People weren't buying PS4's for 1st party content in the holiday season.
That isn't good enough...if the PS4 which is doing so amazing can't get people to jump to an upgraded more powerful system in the Pro why would Scorpio be any different?

Wouldn't people just want the cheaper system?
 
Speaking of SoT, I'm betting it's not going to make 2017. I'm thinking we'll get a beta toward the end of the year, but that's it. It's April and they're still figuring out the basics of sword combat. That does not suggest a release this year.

I think it's going to be an Early Access game. It'll "release" in the fall but only a portion of the game will be there.
 
When Spencer recently said he'd like to put same effort into 1P that they put into Live and hardware it seems like they're thinking through that now, not necessarily in time for Scorpio.

If I were him I'd focus on what needs to be in place to make the Xbox successful upon entering the next generation, when it makes sense to drop original Xbox One support and push Scorpio / Scorpio 2 games. Nothing is going to make a big impact on the outcome of this gen, but next gen they could get back NA and UK if they play they're cards right. If they did that then the Japanese games and indie games will follow at the very least.
 
That isn't good enough...if the PS4 which is doing so amazing can't get people to jump to an upgraded more powerful system in the Pro why would Scorpio be any different?

Wouldn't people just want the cheaper system?

Yea. The cheaper option will always be the most popular. Especially among Holiday shoppers. They can have the best messaging, but even some of the die hard Xbox people I follow on twitter aren't ready to offload their One S and jump into Scorpio. IMO it'll be similar to the Pro. It's there as an option for the hardcore.

Both models will serve a purpose, but that purpose right now isn't to be the leading console or replace the cheaper option. YET.
 
I don't care what the official MS line is at the moment, or what Phil Spencer says in the coming months, SCORPIO will have exclusive games within 2 years of it launching. They aren't willing to say this yet as it could sacrifice sales in the short term of XONE S and other hardware.

We will see a full VR system implemented and exclusive games.

This is my thinking too, they will soft cease Xbox One S games and develop for more advanced platforms such as Scoprio and Windows 10. I guess this will depend on how 'future-proof' the hardware is ie does it have Zen in there.

The best thing about using S and X is eventually they can just drop the "One" branding and the X becomes the S

Xbox S2 - revised scorpio design (new low end)
Xbox X2 - new hotness

I mean that's probably what I would do if I was planning to have some console overlap.

I really like this train of thought. I think MS biggest problem is to either embrace the 'One' branding by reinforcing with whatever name they give Scorpio, or distance themselves from it.

Xbox One X sounds fine to me, makes a clear distinction between this and Xbox One S. If it were upto me I would hit the big fat reset button and call it just 'Xbox' and iterate from there onwards, because lets me fair MS naming schemes have been ridiculous for the last 3 generations.
 
Correct they were buying cheaper price cut systems in the holidays bundled with popular 3rd party games

Something Microsoft wouldn't be able to counter with still with a system of the best multiplats since the Xbox One S will be the main seller this holiday and they can easily price cut that system

That isn't good enough...if the PS4 which is doing so amazing can't get people to jump to an upgraded more powerful system in the Pro why would Scorpio be any different?

Wouldn't people just want the cheaper system?

Both of you are correct as even Phil Spencer said that the main seller will be the XB1S. Scorpio is just like the PS4 Pro, an enthusiast option with a higher price. People that already own an XB1 can upgrade to Scorpio and new consumers have the option to jump in with Scorpio over XB1S.

Scorpio isn't turning the tide, only improving their messaging that Xbox One is going to be both a cheap (XB1S) and powerful (Scorpio) place to game.
 
I think it's going to be an Early Access game. It'll "release" in the fall but only a portion of the game will be there.

Yeah, that seems possible. I just wonder what little they might be able to have ready by then. If they're still working on sword combat, how far in dev are the quests, towns, NPCs, etc.? Perhaps I'm forgetting but I can't recall any demos of such - just so-called 'sandbox' ship, gun, and loot gameplay. I hope they're farther along than it seems, as I really want to see Rare succeed with this.
 
People weren't buying PS4's for 1st party content in the holiday season.

They also weren't only buying it because it was the more powerful hardware, it was also $100 cheaper than the competition. Price is not really in Scorpio's favor. It will likely be the most expensive console on the market.
 
Well, if the plan is "here's Scorpio and it's just another option" instead of them trying to use Scorpio to "take the lead" then it's fine.

I feel at some point Scorpio will be used to transition into next gen and they'll develop exclusively for it in a couple of years.
 
Is shinobi another guy that has ran off to hide on twitter and we have to talk or see what he says through twitter?

Either he can come here and not be held back by those who disagree with him (like we all do) but man the twitter thing gets annoying when the guy can just come here and talk and only has his twitter following cause of this place. Obviously he can do what he wants, and people can post what he says but it just feels so backwards to me to talk to people in this manner.
 
Well, if the plan is "here's Scorpio and it's just another option" instead of them trying to use Scorpio to "take the lead" then it's fine.

I feel at some point Scorpio will be used to transition into next gen and they'll develop exclusively for it in a couple of years.


If that is their plan, then there is no point. This needs to create waves in the console market. The Xbox brand is tarnished as it is. Having a soft launch for this will do more harm than good in the long term.
 
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