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It's hard to pin point the exact moment the movie nose dives for me. The more I think about it, the more brilliant scenes I recall but still cannot shake off the feeling of disappointment/frustration. I'm not sure if that says something about the complexities of filmmaking, that even with great use of exposition you can leave holes, or my personal taste. Maybe I need to rewatch it.

This review, however, does capture some of my concerns well
 
The ultimate goal of Prometheus, usually prequels, or movies that precede the original, close down the universe – so now we know everything we needed to know about Anakin Skywaker – we wanted Prometheus to open up the universe, so it’s not a prequel at all. It has two children, one of those children grows up to be Alien, and the other child is hopefully growing up in this other direction and, god willing, will grow up into an entirely different line of films.

speaks of the open endedness..
 
For me, the problem is with either the script or the editing. Can't exactly say who's to blame.

- A lot of things happen too quickly, such as the abortion scene. This aspect of the film should have been more prominent. We just learn that she can't be pregnant, and suddenly she is - with a monster. If they fleshed out that plotline, the reveal and subsequent abortion would be much more tense.

- The zombie dude. Those scenes should just have been cut in favor of character development. It adds nothing to the movie except to kill off some of the crew. It's like introducing a problem to solve another problem. Why not just have fewer crew-members? Or have them die in some other context more related to the core plot?

- Weyland. They should have had the TED talk in the beginning to establish just how important this dude was to the technological progress of humanity. He just kinda shows up out of nowhere and is pretty one dimensional. I wish they fleshed this out more. This guy is basically the apex of human innovation, a mirror of the engineers, and one of their finest creations. And he's there, on the planet of the people who made him, along with David - the person he made. So many missed opportunities.

- Xenomorph bit. They should just have scrapped this. It added nothing to the movie what so ever.

- Noomis dad, and how he died. The film is just ripe with comparisons ready to be made to parenthood, creation of life, disease. They barely touch on it via the flashback, and it could have been fleshed out a lot more to give weight to the events in the film. She has two main issues - infertility and loss of a loved one to a disease. Both of these things repeat, yet they're given almost no emotional context besides a few lines of exposition.

To sum things up
 
Depends if the breakdown of DNA was suicide or seeding lifeforms?

it was pretty obviously not suicide, what with the whole dna reconnecting into a different shape under water close up.

also what purpose would a suicide scene serve?
 
Before I went to bed last night I watched the launch trailer - now, one of the friends I went with to watch the movie already told me since last week that he was mad that he watched that trailer because he felt it spoiled everything, and after having watched it myself - holy shit.

That was the most spoilerific official trailer I've seen till now. It feels like a mash-up of the whole damn movie, and now I understand why he was mad. Every scene was in there. Damn.

And to think I was mad when the Avengers trailer ruined one little moment for me.

From now on, I'm going to stick to teasers for movies I know I'm going to watch - screw final trailers.

Great, they're not saying the goo is a WMD. Also sort of confirms the opening as a ritual self-sacrifice in order to create life on other planets. Not some renegade runaway or an accident.

This is what I thought of immediately - I thought it was pretty clear, but reading other people's opinions in here and in the other thread I guess it wasn't. It's funny because a lot of those same people are saying they hate the movie for certain things yet couldn't grasp something given to them like that.
 
For me, the problem is with either the script or the editing. Can't exactly say who's to blame.

- A lot of things happen too quickly, such as the abortion scene. This aspect of the film should have been more prominent. We just learn that she can't be pregnant, and suddenly she is - with a monster. If they fleshed out that plotline, the reveal and subsequent abortion would be much more tense.

- The zombie dude. Those scenes should just have been cut in favor of character development. It adds nothing to the movie except to kill off some of the crew. It's like introducing a problem to solve another problem. Why not just have fewer crew-members? Or have them die in some other context more related to the core plot?

- Weyland. They should have had the TED talk in the beginning to establish just how important this dude was to the technological progress of humanity. He just kinda shows up out of nowhere and is pretty one dimensional. I wish they fleshed this out more. This guy is basically the apex of human innovation, a mirror of the engineers, and one of their finest creations. And he's there, on the planet of the people who made him, along with David - the person he made. So many missed opportunities.

- Xenomorph bit. They should just have scrapped this. It added nothing to the movie what so ever.

- Noomis dad, and how he died. The film is just ripe with comparisons ready to be made to parenthood, creation of life, disease. They barely touch on it via the flashback, and it could have been fleshed out a lot more to give weight to the events in the film. She has two main issues - infertility and loss of a loved one to a disease. Both of these things repeat, yet they're given almost no emotional context besides a few lines of exposition.

To sum things up

Agree with all that.
 
For me, the problem is with either the script or the editing. Can't exactly say who's to blame.

- A lot of things happen too quickly, such as the abortion scene. This aspect of the film should have been more prominent. We just learn that she can't be pregnant, and suddenly she is - with a monster. If they fleshed out that plotline, the reveal and subsequent abortion would be much more tense.

- The zombie dude. Those scenes should just have been cut in favor of character development. It adds nothing to the movie except to kill off some of the crew. It's like introducing a problem to solve another problem. Why not just have fewer crew-members? Or have them die in some other context more related to the core plot?

- Weyland. They should have had the TED talk in the beginning to establish just how important this dude was to the technological progress of humanity. He just kinda shows up out of nowhere and is pretty one dimensional. I wish they fleshed this out more. This guy is basically the apex of human innovation, a mirror of the engineers, and one of their finest creations. And he's there, on the planet of the people who made him, along with David - the person he made. So many missed opportunities.

- Xenomorph bit. They should just have scrapped this. It added nothing to the movie what so ever.

- Noomis dad, and how he died. The film is just ripe with comparisons ready to be made to parenthood, creation of life, disease. They barely touch on it via the flashback, and it could have been fleshed out a lot more to give weight to the events in the film. She has two main issues - infertility and loss of a loved one to a disease. Both of these things repeat, yet they're given almost no emotional context besides a few lines of exposition.

To sum things up

I agree with Weyland and Noomi's dad, but disagree that we should have heard more of Shaw's infertility. I think it works more if you drop the dialogue with Holloway altogether, make it just look like casual sex and then when she's pregnant that's when the audience also find out she's infertile. That would be a bit more of a shock for me. Finding out she is infertile just before she's obviously impregnated is pointless. Knowing she's likely pregnant and then finding out its impossible adds to the horror.

With Fifield, I think he would work if he's a bigger threat. If he kills more people or someone important than he'd be better I think
 
it was pretty obviously not suicide, what with the whole dna reconnecting into a different shape under water close up.

also what purpose would a suicide scene serve?

I thought it was a ritualistic suicide

Dude was dressed like a monk, maybe the ritual was a highly religious ceremony for the Phil Mitchells that demanded the sacrifice of one of them
 
it was pretty obviously not suicide, what with the whole dna reconnecting into a different shape under water close up.

also what purpose would a suicide scene serve?

Water has always been connected to biological life. If you leave pieces of your nucleus in a waterfall chances are it will form a new chain. I think it pretty obvious that was the motive behind the suicide. To break nucleotides apart to make new structures with the flora of earth. I'd also argue it was an unexpected outcome and that's why they wanted to go on earth, since it is very diverse place there's a lot of things they could witness from the black goo.
 


So there’s a speculative part of it, so the question becomes “what does the black goo do?” That is the question that you’re supposed to be asking coming out of this movie. The movie demonstrates what it does in certain circumstances. So, here’s what it does if it gets on worms; here’s what it does if it gets on your face; here’s what it does if someone just puts a little bit of it in your drink. So, now we see that that lots of this is headed to Earth. Now, you used the word “weapon”, you’re extrapolating that based on the theory [Prometheus captain] Janek has, because it looks like a payload to him: all these ships are loaded with this stuff, and they’re headed for Earth. The intent has to be to wipe us out, or is it to evolve us, or is it for something else?

These are all hopefully questions and points of debate – frustrating for some – but ultimately the kind of science-fiction… why the two movies that Ridley did decades ago are still being discussed, is this idea that when you walk out of the theater that you have to go into community and start to discuss “well, wait a minute, this is what I think happened,” and you’re hopefully mirroring the conversation that the characters are having in the movie, and more importantly this is why Shaw says what she says at the end of the movie. Which is, “I’m not going back to Earth and calling it a day, I need to know a little bit more about what’s happening here.”

The ultimate goal of Prometheus, usually prequels, or movies that precede the original, close down the universe – so now we know everything we needed to know about Anakin Skywaker – we wanted Prometheus to open up the universe, so it’s not a prequel at all. It has two children, one of those children grows up to be Alien, and the other child is hopefully growing up in this other direction and, god willing, will grow up into an entirely different line of films.

Interesting stuff and they practically knew exactly what they were doing and what the audience would do also after watching the film.
 
I thought it was a ritualistic suicide

Dude was dressed like a monk, maybe the ritual was a highly religious ceremony for the Phil Mitchells that demanded the sacrifice of one of them

thought it was pretty obvious the point of the ritualistic suicide was to seed life, they knew that's what the black goo does.

So yes it was a suicide, but with a goal.
 
I thought it was pretty clear, but reading other people's opinions in here and in the other thread I guess it wasn't.
It was silly enough that Elba's character somehow figured that out (felt like he cheated and read the script), and now, it turns out he might very well have been completely wrong, which makes his sacrifice even more... *sigh*
But hey, that gave us another big explosion.
 
For me, the problem is with either the script or the editing. Can't exactly say who's to blame.

- A lot of things happen too quickly, such as the abortion scene. This aspect of the film should have been more prominent. We just learn that she can't be pregnant, and suddenly she is - with a monster. If they fleshed out that plotline, the reveal and subsequent abortion would be much more tense.

- The zombie dude. Those scenes should just have been cut in favor of character development. It adds nothing to the movie except to kill off some of the crew. It's like introducing a problem to solve another problem. Why not just have fewer crew-members? Or have them die in some other context more related to the core plot?

- Weyland. They should have had the TED talk in the beginning to establish just how important this dude was to the technological progress of humanity. He just kinda shows up out of nowhere and is pretty one dimensional. I wish they fleshed this out more. This guy is basically the apex of human innovation, a mirror of the engineers, and one of their finest creations. And he's there, on the planet of the people who made him, along with David - the person he made. So many missed opportunities.

- Xenomorph bit. They should just have scrapped this. It added nothing to the movie what so ever.

- Noomis dad, and how he died. The film is just ripe with comparisons ready to be made to parenthood, creation of life, disease. They barely touch on it via the flashback, and it could have been fleshed out a lot more to give weight to the events in the film. She has two main issues - infertility and loss of a loved one to a disease. Both of these things repeat, yet they're given almost no emotional context besides a few lines of exposition.

To sum things up

Yep some great points their.

The thing with the crew considering that they blow the ship up in the end anyway what was the point of killing those guys just so we could have some action? pointless.

The abortion scene lead up and aftermath are a mess. Is no one looking for her when she attacks the others and runs off and does she tell anyone that she just gave birth to an alien?

And yeah the Weyland reveal was sloppy who on the ship knew he was there? From how some were acting later many of them did.
 
That is the most amazing excuse for bad writing I have ever read.

You're confused? Troubled by the contradictions? Jumping to possibly the wrong conclusions? So were the characters lol!
 
The abortion scene lead up and aftermath are a mess. Is no one looking for her when she attacks the others and runs off and does she tell anyone that she just gave birth to an alien?

Only David is shown to know about the alien fetus. Who knows what he told to the crew to get them put Shaw in cryo. Also of course Shaw didn't tell anyone about the fetus, she clearly was afraid of everyone connected to Weyland after the abortion.
 
Christ I've written some shit. Okay it goes without saying that the music needs to be changed in scenes, lowered in volume in others. Then all the dialogue of the co-pilots are gone, the guy with the flamethrower can easily have his dialogue swapped for Fifield or David, all the 'inject DNA strand' and then show DNA thing can be easily simplified into just showing it. So that's all a given. I think I would write Prometheus as practically a direct sequel to Alien; I'd have it on LV-426 and have it wrap up the mystery of the Space Jockey there. So this is Prometheus, Wilbury style:

So it would start almost identically to Prometheus; a lone being by the waterfall looks up at a spaceship. But this time there's more emotion on its face; it's angry, upset, afraid. It opens the vial containing a white substance (that looks like android blood) and with some trepidation, drinks it. For a second he seems fine, before he collapses. He drops the vial and what's remaining seeps out; the white substance rapidly turning black. The being falls into the river (this time with some fishies in) and is ripped apart at the molecular level, lending his DNA to the Earth.

Then there's a title sequence, where each of the cave paintings is animated somewhat like the Skyrim teaser trailer with Alduin's Wall; so moving carvings and illustrations showing giant elephantine Cthulu type creatures lording over humans, holding some in their hands and pointing to the constellation in the sky. The sequence ends while resting on the one found on the Isle of Skye, with the scene between Shaw and Holloway.

Then it would go to David doing his thing on the ship but I would just cut out the scene with Shaw's father and have David standing there, obviously interested in something.

Then when they sit down in the little conference room, show the TED video, followed by the hologram of Weyland coming out. But old Weyland isn't played by shitty make up Guy Pearce, oh no... It's Peter O'Toole! Perfect casting and a little joke in regards to the film. He says his little thing about David and then tells them that his daughter Meredith will be overlooking things as she is taking over the company following his death.

Scanning the planet, Janek finds that there is two pyramid structures on its west side so lands in between the two. Shaw, Holloway and Ford go to one while Fifield, Milburn and David go to the other. I'd cut out the holograms here to keep some ambiguity and each of them come across an ampoule chamber. The giant human head is replaced with an elephant head but the ampoules are the same, save some greenish fungus stuff down the bottom (indicating the change into eggs). David grabs an ampoule, the other three grab the head and Fifield and Milburn start heading back to the ship.

Now the mural; I think you could leave it out entirely because the way it's depicted in the film is just fan service, but I'd probably change it so it's more of a hastily done carving like the star maps; the Cthulu creatures are bowing to a Xenomorph type creature, with some dead elephant figures around it. One of the Cthulus is pointing at a different star map to that found on Earth, so they note it down and go back to the ship.

How I'd explain Fifield and Milburn getting lost is they initially think they know their way back and by the time they do check the storm's interfered with their compass thing; Janek cant see a thing on any monitor so the squad just say they'll collect them tomorrow. Before the attack however, the two find some decomposed bodies with their ribcages burst; the large white creatures from the start and typical sized humans, both male and female on each side. They try and relay the images to the ship but obviously no one can see them, so they try and rest for the night. I'd probably swap Fifield and Milburn, so Fifield gets attacked by the worm and it goes inside him, while Milburn falls into the black goo. Doing this gets rid of the shit dialogue of Milburn trying to fuck the worm or whatever he's speaking to it for.

David poisons Holloway, Janek bangs Meredith, and then Holloway and Shaw just have sex. No conversation about fertility or babies, they just have rampant sex because they've been in stasis for so long and the build up of sperm must be colossal.

So the morning after they go into the pyramid structure which Fifield and Milburn entered, and they find Milburn's dead body face down in the black goo, with no sign of Fifield. They also come across the dead bodies. Shocked, they retain some flesh/bone/parts of both the smaller human bodies and the large humanoids and return to the ship. David has gone off by himself and found the pilot room with its stacks of ampoules and then instead of the pristine one in the film, there is a ton of bodies. Lots of them. 5 of the 15 foot elephantine creatures, and 20 to 30 smallish dead white Xenomorphs. David then is witness to the hologram of the planets.

Returning to the ship Holloway collapses and Meredith torches him. Shaw wakes up and this is when you find out she's infertile. David's there first but later Ford and another doctor, who she knocks out and then goes and caesareans the squid out of herself.

Then when she encounters Weyland O'Toole, David enquiries as to the whereabouts of the squid, and the awakened Ford goes looking for it but can't find it. Everyone gets told to be on the lookout for it, and then Weyland explains he wants to live longer and then explains why it had to be Charlie. He was the easiest to get the parasite into, Shaw's pregnancy was a ' happy' accident, they would use any means possible to try and find some sort of life form that would be able to help Weyland and infecting someone to see the effects was the easiest way. He doesn't say this but the reasons he's put everyone on the ship in danger a) because he's selfish and b) because he didn't even stop to think it would be dangerous. They've also done DNA tests on the body parts they've found and discovered that the large humanoids and the regular sized ones have identical DNA.

David mentions the pilot room in one pyramid so suggests going to the other one, which they do and find no bodies... but a Cthulu figure in stasis with a facehugger attached. David does all the steps he saw in the hologram and awakes the 15 foot being, and the facehugger just falls off him, dead.

Now here, you'd either have some sort of dialogue scene between the being and David/Shaw, either through vocal communication somehow or a telepathic scene where it actuallly shows what happens, or you could show what happens through a hologram, or you could save the answers for a sequel. But my thinking behind it is that the elephantine Cthulus are the Engineers, a race of incredibly clever beings that always strive to improve upon their own achievements. They first created life in small forms, that of the first amoebas to be able to live on Earth as it was the only hospitable environment they could find. They kept on creating and creating (and this could be some sort of theory that debunks Darwinism; did they create monkeys, dinosaurs, fish etc?) and eventually made what are the Engineers in the film but are in this just proto-humans; immensely strong beings at the peak of physical prowess but without the intelligence to back it up. This did not sate their thirst and so they modified the goo they used to create the proto-humans and eventually humans as we know them today were born.

Every few hundred/thousand/whatever years, they would visit civilisations and take some for further experimentation, giving them directions to constellations so that when humans were evolved and intelligent enough to have the means to visit, they would first be feted by the Engineers as a sign of their intelligence and power - and then matched up against their newest and most advanced creation; that of early parasitic creatures leading to xenomorphs. However the goo reacted and became self-aware. The Engineers tried to control it and test it by abducting humans and using proto-humans, forcing them to breed but ended up being destroyed and killed by the xenomorphs that had resulted from facehuggers, that had resulted from sexual intercourse with someone with a parasite inside them; the same method as Shaw. This Engineer was in control of the military testing ground and was attacked by a facehugger, being put into stasis and missing the whole battle between his kind and the rebelling xenomorphs. What he now wants to do is get rid of the bioweapon on Earth, wiping out humans and leading to a xenomorph breeding ground while the Engineers back on their home planet think of a solution to destroy the xenos; a) to regain their pride, b) to avenge their fellow Engineers, c) to save bringing it back home, d) to test what they already know, that the xenos would wipe out the humans and e) because it did not sate their thirst for science and they had to keep on creating new things. Like I say I don't know whether this would be through dialogue or some form, or condensed and kept for a sequel. That's just my thinking behind the whole xenomorphs already existing and their motives for destroying humanity.

So understandably he's pissed, rips off David's head because he's aware he's an android; he's really trying to save Weyland and Shaw from their creation because he was unable to save his kind. So he pops into his ship, Janek and the two co-pilots without dialogue because they're shit go smashing into the Engineer ship, making it DERELICT........

Weyland and Shaw have escaped by now but Weyland can't run very fast and is killed by falling debris (in a better way than Vickers was, it just comes from nowhere and squashes him), so Shaw runs for the escape pod, meeting up with Meredith and going to the escape pod. As soon as they walk in they see a dead Ford on the floor, and then Meredith is decapitated or something by the revived Fifield. The white worms have become parasitic entities like the things in fucking Resident Evil 4 or something, and have turned Fifield into something with the proto-humanoid being's strength and a human's intelligence, making him an actual viable threat rather than just a weird monkey man for two seconds. After throwing Shaw around for a bit the colossal squid kills him the way it does in the film, and Shaw knows that something is going to pop out his chest, so she flamethrowers the prone body just as the xeno starts to burst out of him, killing both the xeno and Fifield. The squid is obviously dead because it dies after impregnation.

David contacts her, and Shaw goes back to the ship, seeing the Engineer lying almost dead in his suit of armour in the chair. She sets a distress beacon to warn people away from the planet (!!!!!!) and then leaves to go to the other ship with loads of dead bodies but no alive ones, star map from the Xeno mural in tow which must be the Engineer's home planet, begging someone to go get help. And then a Queen Xenomorph bursts from the Engineer's chest, thus starting the cycle of Alien queen on LV-426 for Aliens, and all the eggs for Alien.




And that's my Prometheus film, written up while I was in work and inevitably as shit as the real one.
 
Just got back from the cinema.
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I don't know - I quite like it. It's perhaps too neat in places, though I felt the actual film was needlessly complex and ambiguous.

Yeah I've come in with hindsight and tried to tie everything up so it makes sense in my head... but the writers should have done this anyway the fuckers.
 
Yeah I've come in with hindsight and tried to tie everything up so it makes sense in my head... but the writers should have done this anyway the fuckers.

After their explanation, I'm now expecting the writing in the sequel to be so bad that I can empathise with Shaw's desire to kill the Engineers.
 
That is the most amazing excuse for bad writing I have ever read.

You're confused? Troubled by the contradictions? Jumping to possibly the wrong conclusions? So were the characters lol!

Exactly, sounds to me they knew they messed up and are trying to salvage the movie by stating these are the type of questions the audience will be asking.

The actual story was rather interesting however, what made it a disappointing movie for me was the characters. There was no real connection between the characters, and there was no tie between the audience to understand or admire each of the characters expertise, passion or dedication in the exploration. Just seemed to be a lot of members on board this exploration which were used as filler, Which I personally think was a big flaw in the movie.
 
There was no real connection between the characters, and there was no tie between the audience to understand or admire each of the characters expertise, passion or dedication in the exploration. Just seemed to be a lot of members on board this exploration which were used as filler, Which I personally think was a big flaw in the movie.

Yes that's true. But it didn't bother me too much.
 
Really? That's weird. What makes you say that?

We see a ship hovering overhead - the other engineers. The DNA of the engineer disintegrates and then re-forms in the water. Later on, we learn via Shaw that - somehow - the engineers are an exact match for our DNA.

I don't understand.

Isaac Asimov invented the laws of robotics, the first of which is:

  1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

I've no idea why David did what he did. I would assume a biological experiment, but why he would take such a risk just to find out the effects of the goop is beyond me. He obviously had an admiration for Shaw and for his "father" Weyland, both of whom held Holloway in high regard. Jealously is a possible motive.
 
The actual story was rather interesting however, what made it a disappointing movie for me was the characters. There was no real connection between the characters, and there was no tie between the audience to understand or admire each of the characters expertise, passion or dedication in the exploration. Just seemed to be a lot of members on board this exploration which were used as filler, Which I personally think was a big flaw in the movie.

I think this is the weakest of the criticisms levelled at the film; the dialogue for the co-pilots and that one line fucking flamethrower man gets are worse crimes than lack of characterisation or anything.

In Aliens you have there or thereabouts the same amount of characters. Who gets any sort of development? Ripley, Burke, Bishop, Hudson, Vasquez, Hicks, Newt, Spunkmeyer, Gorman and Apone. Prometheus has the same amount of characters, and ones you find out about are Shaw, Holloway, Vickers, Janek, Milburn, Fifield, David and to an extent Weyland. In Alien it's... the cast of Alien.

Now I think they're well rounded characters in Alien; you've got Parker whose just in it for the money, Kane and Lambert who don't really get much character development at all, Brett who's there just to back up Parker, and Dallas who is your everyday good guy stuck in shit. Even Ripley is just a tough woman in it really, none of her maternal instincts come out until she's fucking around with the cat. Ash is definitely the most interesting character.

In Aliens, you know Hudson is a fucking asshole, Vasquez is a macho gun lover, Spunkmeyer's got a stupid fucking name, Apone is a bit of a hard arse, Burke is a slimy tool, Hicks is just Dallas with a gun, Newt is a whiny kid... Ripley is definitely much better, but even Bishop is a bit of a dull character compared to Ash.

David is certainly more interesting than Bishop. Janek is no different than Parker really. Vickers is a less slimy Burke. Fifield and Milburn get the same character development as Brett does. Holloway gets short changed and is the most bland character of the whole lot, but Shaw shows more personality in this than Ripley does in the first.

It's poorly written in terms of dialogue and action, but the characterisation is no worse than the first two really.

Isaac Asimov invented the laws of robotics, the first of which is:

  1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

I've no idea why David did what he did. I would assume a biological experiment, but why he would take such a risk just to find out the effects of the goop is beyond me. He obviously had an admiration for Shaw and for his "father" Weyland, both of whom held Holloway in high regard. Jealously is a possible motive.

Ash does the same, doesn't he? So I think they're imperfect models, as Bishop says, as well as being company men. I think David takes the risk because that's all Weyland can work on; the only lifeform still around, and he's powerful and selfish enough to take that risk and put everyone else in danger.
 
We see a ship hovering overhead - the other engineers. The DNA of the engineer disintegrates and then re-forms in the water. Later on, we learn via Shaw that - somehow - the engineers are an exact match for our DNA.

I see. Interesting! It's a bit strange they have to sacrifice themselves to seed a planet.
We still don't know why they are doing that. What about the paintings? Where they made by the engineers?


Isaac Asimov invented the laws of robotics, the first of which is:

  1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

I've no idea why David did what he did. I would assume a biological experiment, but why he would take such a risk just to find out the effects of the goop is beyond me. He obviously had an admiration for Shaw and for his "father" Weyland, both of whom held Holloway in high regard. Jealously is a possible motive.

Yeah it's not explained. I thought of jealousy or an experiment too.

The scene were Shaw enters to room with Weyland was strangely introduced. No-one is surprised and Shaw isn't chased anymore?
 
We see a ship hovering overhead - the other engineers. The DNA of the engineer disintegrates and then re-forms in the water. Later on, we learn via Shaw that - somehow - the engineers are an exact match for our DNA.

The first scene seemed to have been filmed somewhere in Scotland. Not usually seen as the cradle of life.

Also the ship was very different than the other engineer ships we have seen - not sure if that is important- but it seems like a silly thing to change unless there is a reason.

Also is that engineer supposed seed the whole planet or just humans? If it is just humans how does that jive with gene similarities with other earth animals. If it the whole planet they seed how does that work with evolution, live began long before humans arrive on the scene. The DNA woouldn;t match anymore.

EDIT do we even know if the first scene WAS earth?
 
Shit hair.
That's kinda sad really. Given how much time and effort David obviously put into making his hair look nice :/

One thing I remembered wondering about in the cinema was that the soundtrack felt too upbeat and optimistic during a couple of scenes. Felt a bit distracting when you're expecting epic and brooding.
 
Also is that engineer supposed seed the whole planet or just humans? If it is just humans how does that jive with gene similarities with other earth animals. If it the whole planet they seed how does that work with evolution, live began long before humans arrive on the scene. The DNA woouldn;t match anymore.

For me, they probably seed the whole planet. You could say they "programmed" the whole evolution to get to the final result: humans.
What about dinosaurs? I don't know lol.
And more importantly why did they create us?
 
So, uh, why did the engineer decapitate David?

At this stage I'm saying badly written, he just turned into an angry generic monster when they had the opportunity to at least make him speak for a few seconds to justify what he was going to do if they wanted to carry on with killing David like how they did.
 
It seems that not much of H.R. Giger ideas made into the movie. Creature design was very ... uninspired.
 
For me, they probably seed the whole planet. You could say they "programmed" the whole evolution to get to the final result: humans.
What about dinosaurs? I don't know lol.
And more importantly why did they create us?

You are ten pages behind on the speculation :)

I still don't get it, why did they want to kill off all the humans?

To harvest an army of xenomorphs.
To test the goo on a global scale.
To end an experiment.

Pick your poison. All of the above might be true also.
 
For me, they probably seed the whole planet. You could say they "programmed" the whole evolution to get to the final result: humans.
What about dinosaurs? I don't know lol.
And more importantly why did they create us?

Yeah, it doesn't fit with evolution - unless they faked the fossil record.

So it has to be something else. Unless it is just a gigantic plot hole, throwaway scene.

I'll have to watch it again.

Hopefully the Blu-Ray has extra scenes.
 
Yeah, it doesn't fit with evolution - unless they faked the fossil record.

So it has to be something else. Unless it is just a gigantic plot hole, throwaway scene.

I'll have to watch it again.

Hopefully the Blu-Ray has extra scenes.

But it does fit with evolution. Evolution is a biological computer program (the goo) made by the engineers. Somehow all the possible outcomes concludes at humans.
 
I see. Interesting! It's a bit strange they have to sacrifice themselves to seed a planet.
We still don't know why they are doing that. What about the paintings? Where they made by the engineers?




Yeah it's not explained. I thought of jealousy or an experiment too.

The scene were Shaw enters to room with Weyland was strangely introduced. No-one is surprised and Shaw isn't chased anymore?

I assumed that it was another case of an Alien universe android going a bit mental

Like he was receiving orders from Weyland through the neural link helmet thing

and also its pretty clear that he hates humans for the most part
 
I thought the xenomorph design at the end was hilarious

Looked like a dolphin on a reptilian body

I thought it was cool like an early stage xeno

That scene where she enters the room with weyland is very stupid especially on a rewatch because that one English or kinda weird accent talking woman who she knocks and the other guy out..later shes suiting up with weyland and her..nobody mentions shaw knocking her out not 15 minutes ago. I really hope the directors cut adds about 30+ minutes of footage..

Its an amazing movie still.
 
I thought it was cool like an early stage xeno

Oh yeah I could see that

But it looked as menacing as Flipper

Especially when it pushed out it's second mouth where it looked like some bizarre troll face.

I mean it was only a throw away scene to reinforce the connection but when we see the mural of the Xenomorph earlier it didn't really look like that
 
That is the most amazing excuse for bad writing I have ever read.

You're confused? Troubled by the contradictions? Jumping to possibly the wrong conclusions? So were the characters lol!

Yep. The "we foresaw [insert general audience reaction here] happening, that was the point" is one of the oldest excuses for sloppy writing.
 
Why colonise an entire planet so that you can make an unstable weapon that is uncontrollable to destroy it ?
This film is a mess and is trying to be to smart for it's own good.
If they are aiming for a trilogy then fair enough but are we really expected to believe that the next one will only have David and the Doctor against a planet of CGI engineers ?
 
Why colonise an entire planet so that you can make an unstable weapon that is uncontrollable to destroy it ?
This film is a mess and is trying to be to smart for it's own good.
If they are aiming for a trilogy then fair enough but are we really expected to believe that the next one will only have David and the Doctor against a planet of CGI engineers ?

I disagree and I don't like how that's an excuse for whenever a movie is disappointing, that the next one will be better.

A film shouldn't be an advertisement for the next one. You have two and a half hours: tell a story, wrap it up, and don't presume you'll get a second chance to get it right.
 
I disagree and I don't like how that's an excuse for whenever a movie is disappointing, that the next one will be better.

A film shouldn't be an advertisement for the next one. You have two and a half hours: tell a story, wrap it up, and don't presume you'll get a second chance to get it right.

I agree totally, I should have explained that differently, apologies.
Personally I think Ridley and Lindelof have seriously lost the plot as much as this film has.
Without a doubt this will definately be my most disappointing film of 2012.
 
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