PROMETHEUS UNMARKED SPOILER THREAD!
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I agree it is bad writing. But I still think there was nothing unreasonable with janek making that assumption based on what he saw.
And as you point out, he could be wrong, in which case it wouldn't be an example of gross didactism, which this movie is certainly guilty of several other times. "I can't make life
*sad*"Pachterballs
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I had no idea the writer was also responsible for Lost. That explains so much.
Also, I've not seen a link in this thread to the Red Letter Media short video on the tubes. Their longer video (on their website) has actual back-and-forth between the two, but this video distills it right down to all the unanswered questions...
Also, I've not seen a link in this thread to the Red Letter Media short video on the tubes. Their longer video (on their website) has actual back-and-forth between the two, but this video distills it right down to all the unanswered questions...
Freshmaker
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Nothing wrong with it per se, but way too many otherwise intelligent people took that to be an official explanation of the planet's purpose and the Engineer's overall mission.
Imax 3D or regular 2D.
The movie will be incredibly dark in regular 3D theaters.
BigJonsson
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Just saw it.........lots of cool stuff but the story tries to do to much/doesn't explain enough
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
I read an interview with Lindelof where he was like 'Shaw makes this assumption that the ship is headed for earth, but she's not necessarily correct in that assumption'... but in the movie David tells her specifically that it's headed for Earth - is there meant to be some ambiguity about this even though David specifically said it to her? I wish I could find it right now...
Freshmaker
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I think the idea is, 2000 years ago, they were going to wipe out life on earth.
Then when Space Jockey wakes up, he boots them from the ship and tries to take off. They really have no idea what he's trying to do, or where he's actually going at that point. They assume earth since that was their own agenda.
2,000 years later with his crew all dead? He might have had other notions.
crazy monkey
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that was very well done scene. 3D was actuly better than prometheus in that scene. Fish came flying.
Freshmaker
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I flinched at one of the fish.
OTOH, the orbital insertion gave me vertigo. Promo wins. (Yes, I'm too cool to write out the full title.)
Harry Potter
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Why did the star map point to the planet where the Engineers just stored the black goo?
sneakypete
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Just saw it tonight in real 3D and it was great, wasn't too dark at all. In fact I thought it was kinda bright at first, but that was probably because I was ridiculously stoned.
Freshmaker
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There's no info from which to even build a theory.
Harry Potter
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Ok, just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything.
They also wrote Lost? Yeah, that explains a lot.
Tokubetsu
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Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Also - how did Shaw get into the ship to get David's head at the end if she needed a rope to get down afterwards? So many things bugging me now 
EUGH. This movie.
EUGH. This movie.http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0511541/board/nest/200320105
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0511541/board/nest/199747508
Anyone else think happyguy23 may be Damon
No, I don't know how I ended up reading the imdb boards. Don't judge me.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0511541/board/nest/199747508
happyguy23 said:
happyguy23 said:
Anyone else think happyguy23 may be Damon
No, I don't know how I ended up reading the imdb boards. Don't judge me.
That makes it even worse.
Not in terms of logic but in terms of writing.
"Stringer Bell sacrifices himself to save humanity" is better than "Stirnger Bell jumps to conclusions and kills himself", even with the extra plot holes/jumps in logic.
Also, if even that point is not revealed to us, that makes the whole story have even less of a point.
This shit isn't a teaser, you need to tell a story, you can continue it in the next film if you want, but I strongly believe that a film have to stand on its own legs.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Yeah, I was watching the second time for a bit more ambiguity as suggested but there's a specific shot of David saying "Earth.." so it's not vague at all. My memory of the interview might be wrong though.
That robot function as a stopgap to the limitations of the script.
Like, it cannot show or explain anything to us, so David just say it.
Think of the scene where he play with the staramp, couldn't they write it in a way that audience can also get it?
They can do some ominous animations going toward earth, the robot can even talk to himself.
But no, he fondles a globe for 30 seconds then say Earth, because he connected with the ancient computer through the flute or something.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Yeah, they even make it a dramatic moment. *zoom in* EARTH. *gasp*
There was a tangible moment towards the end where I just thought, behind all those stunning visuals and a good cast, there's just a fucking mess of a film. Hands up!
That scene with David going 'he's coming for you...' there's about 10 seconds between seeing the Engineer and Shaw finishing him off with the squid thing. NO buildup, no tension, nothing. He literally runs at her, she screams DIE! - conveniently right next to the button panel - and BANG! he's face raped. Scene over. Cut to her crying "I can't do it anymore!" out on the sand. WTF.
Also. That scottish woman was OUTRAGEOUSLY AWFUL.
Beddie byes.
Karma Kramer
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Prometheus > Avatar I think... not that they need to be compared... but when I hear stuff about Scott fucking up or that Cameron should have directed this I have to simply disagree.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Probably followed Engineer Bill's footprints to get in.Also - how did Shaw get into the ship to get David's head at the end if she needed a rope to get down afterwards? So many things bugging me now
As to getting down via the rope.. Perhaps the rope was faster?
Also - how did Shaw get into the ship to get David's head at the end if she needed a rope to get down afterwards? So many things bugging me now
That bugged me on the first watch, but really got to me in subsequent viewings. There's no visible way for her to have gotten into the ship.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
That + the self-driving truck thing were really obvious on a second viewing. That and the Road-Runner escape from the rolling/crashing ship. Ah well, at least it looks good
Watching Alien again and there was some stupid moments too.
"We're putting him in quarantine and thats final!"
"Hes awake"
"Hey man how are you doing lets go eat"
"Shouldnt we scan him first, and what about that quarantine"
"We should go eat first."
But thats 1979, it can be forgiven.
"We're putting him in quarantine and thats final!"
"Hes awake"
"Hey man how are you doing lets go eat"
"Shouldnt we scan him first, and what about that quarantine"
"We should go eat first."
But thats 1979, it can be forgiven.
So I think I talked shit about this film earlier. Upon a less tired second viewing, I really think it is great.
It suffers from a lot of the same things that the original Alien suffers from. Why are you going in that room alone? Why are you standing around while fucked up shit happens? Why are you admiring the thing that is about to kill you instead of running away?
One thing that Aliens has on Alien is suspension of desbelief. Yes the dialogue is cheesy at times, but the action of those characters in Aliens are much more realistic then in Alien.
Sorry, not to attack Alien because it is one of my favorite films ever, but Prometheus does the same thing that Alien does when it comes down to logical reactions to a situation. It ignores logic, and this guy runs that way and this girl runs the other way because it serves the action of the film.
Despite a dozen holes in the film, the second time around I came to really love it. Easilly my 3rd favorite Alien film.
It suffers from a lot of the same things that the original Alien suffers from. Why are you going in that room alone? Why are you standing around while fucked up shit happens? Why are you admiring the thing that is about to kill you instead of running away?
One thing that Aliens has on Alien is suspension of desbelief. Yes the dialogue is cheesy at times, but the action of those characters in Aliens are much more realistic then in Alien.
Sorry, not to attack Alien because it is one of my favorite films ever, but Prometheus does the same thing that Alien does when it comes down to logical reactions to a situation. It ignores logic, and this guy runs that way and this girl runs the other way because it serves the action of the film.
Despite a dozen holes in the film, the second time around I came to really love it. Easilly my 3rd favorite Alien film.
Thats 1 moment. Again, Prometheus has 30... and the script is horrible. And the characters don't react to one another. Ever.
Space truckers knew to quarantine.
Scientists didn't.
But, feel free to continue the "BUH BUH BUH Alien had a stupid moment too! So that means its ok for Prometheus to be 2 hours of them." argument.
"Why does shaw have staples in her gut?"
- Never came up.
I thought promethues was stupid, so Im definitely not in that camp.
Also the black guy kept telling everyone 'Why dont we just freeze him' at least twice. But no one listened to him. Instead they were content just leaving the face hugger on him all night.
You're using the same played out logic that camp uses.
And again, more lines with characters relating to the story. Basic writing which Prometheus didn't have.
You know the arguments from the crew, why they didn't freeze him. It came up at least, again, basic writing. None of that happened in Prometheus. I'm sure it was edited out, and the directors cut will have characters that make sense, but it wasn't in Prometheus's theatrical release. Thats for sure.
cut to: any other character
"who gives a fuck"
I think we should just leave it really. I dont understand how commedieu and others have some kind of agenda to make everyone who liked the movie do a 180 and start hating it. Let us enjoy the film and go watch something you like. Pretty much everything has been discussed, I just dont see the point.
He said a disease's name. As in "(disease's name).. was it?" Cant remember wich.
also this is the unmarked spoilers thread mang
Ebola.
would have been better than nothing.
I Don't have a single thing against anyone enjoying the movie. Just the dumbass logic train of trying to highlight SINGLE moments in Alien and Aliens that were just as stupid, as if it proves that people are making a big deal about nothing. No, Prometheus was an entire film of them, which is the reason for criticism. People stumble in here saying that the criticism isn't valid, because of one instance in Alien, and recently, Avatar... ;-). People that enjoy the movie try to push some kind of agenda that you aren't allowed to talk about how fucking stupid every single character was, and the lack of a story/script in Prometheus. Since you're callling me out, I've already said the movie was decent. But it had horrible, beyond horrible writing.
This isn't the thread for sheep to put on blinders on to people with opposing opinions. Why counter argue an opinion that the writing was bad, if you truly feel like that is the persons opinion? When you get shut down, as everyone pointing out alien/aliens/avatar had a handful of mistakes vs an entire movie full of them, you default to the "Buh buh why are you trying to convince me it was bad!" As if that was the argument to begin with.
Stay on target. Feel free to defend its horrible writing, by highlighting movies that didn't have horrible writing and characters that interacted with the film we were watching. The characters in Prometheus are stupid as dog food. As an audience member, I simply can't relate enough to get drawn into the film. As every single choice makes you think "what the hell?"
and another edit;
Evidence for Prometheus being horrible is in Prometheus.
Evidence for it being good, is in Alien and Aliens.
Black Mamba
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We are assuming that he's telling the truth. But David showed motives to want to see the crew people killed.
I understand Lidelof's claim, if that's it (I think I read that interview, too). Remember, the Engineers came back 1300 years ago and destroyed nothing. We don't even know if they were intending on doing that at any point. This is all from David's point of view. A robot who used the goo to kill someone to see what it would do. Who got a faux seal of approval to take that step, too.
There's a good chance it's more about David trying to destroy humans (start a war) than anything else.
The fact that the Engineers came back in 680 AD makes everything fucked up, as far as theorizing goes.
We're just going in circles. Some people think that Alien/s and Avatar had some silly moments as well. Many of the stuff that people dont make sense of in Prometheus has been backed by other people on why it does for them (like Shaw not telling about the alien baby when she's actually in a ship full of crazy people), if it doesnt for you great, but there's no one way to go about it.
Sculli thinks the no-tracking thing in Avatar is a minor thing that cant compare to even the smalles mistake in Prometheus, I think that's BS, but you know what? that's fine, there's no real objectivity in it, it's just opinions. A lot of stuff in Prometheus made sense for me and I enjoyed the film a lot more than many other sci-fi films. I think most responses when comparing to other greats is because people get to the point of claiming some films as PERFECT, wich they are not.
Either way, im not mad at you or anything, but it just seems like some people (not necesarelly you) get physically hurt or something every time someone says "I thought it was great".
you are doing the same thing in reverse.
that's your fucking opinion man. It's not written in stone and it sure as hell isn't an objective statement. Just respect the fact that other people might find enjoyment and fullfilment out of what you dont without you necesarelly being the smarter man for noticing ALL THESE OBJECTIVE FLAWS OMG. People.Like.Different.Things. Deal with it, and dont try to convince people otherwise where there's no need for it. Did I go on a rant about how shitty I think Avatar is when I was discussing it with sculli? no, I tried to have a normal conversation without going "AHAHAH THIS IS DOG SHIT"
No one has said the previous films were perfect. They said they told a story, and had good characters, the story was told, and it was off to the next film. Then people try to point out that Alien once did something once.
Keyword in your post, is SOME. Not an entire movie full. I know for a fact you can't highlight any moment in Prometheus that was great character interaction. Because it had none.
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No. I say the movie has bad writing. People will then try to sway the opinion by pointing out isolated incidences in Alien. Is this not true? Is this not what this thread has devolved into..? I bring up the bad writing. People then translate that to mean Alien & Aliens were perfect and had no flaws.
I thought the Holloway/David conversation at the pool table was great.
I thought the whole secret agenda with Vickers and David was well presented and enjoyed their dialogues.
You didnt. Great. The movie didnt have any great character interaction moments for you.
And btw, your reasoning is pretty pointless since basically no one here is saying Prometheus is better than Alien or Aliens.
You made up some idea that people claim Alien and Aliens were perfect. Thats what I was responding to. I know no one is saying Prometheus is better than Alien, Aliens, or Howard the Duck.
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I plain don't like your avatar.
You're not saying anything, you are directly responding to people who express their opinion by going out of your way to say how bad you thought this movie was.
There was no reason for the babbling or calling out Loofy with a "feel free to continue but" speech as if his opinion was immediatly invalid.
You respond to Alien complains by saying "that was 1 moment, Prometheus has thousands!" as if that person was claiming alien was at the same level of prometheus or something
too bad about the mole, people seem to like it
I respond to the reason that people compare to aliens, and avatar. To point out a plot hole. It is a comparison. Else it wouldn't be mentioned.
I thought it was a badger. I'm fine with moles. You think I'm crapping on the movie. I am, as the writing is bad. You think I'm attacking people that liked it. That I disagree with. **I feel that comparing the two is futile, as Aliens mistakes don't have any relation to Prometheus as a film**.
I'm glad you enjoyed it. I look forward to a directors cut.
Loofy, I meant no offense to you. But that argument** happens often in the thread.
Well I doubt you'd do that since there's no point, but as I said before it just seems that way from some people in this thread.
I know people had high hopes for this and some might be angry that it didnt live up to your expectations, but it's getting silly trying to counter every single opinion.
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Its pointless to argue about this. I agree with that..
I see where you're coming from.
What? I missed this.
Black Mamba
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Well, the image is gone now that I originally posted. Stupid me not saving it.
The star maps in the beginning had dates on them. Hawaii was 680AD and the Mayans were 620 AD. The others were BC.
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