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[Jackpot]

My top question: What made her think they "changed their minds" about destroying Earth? The space jockeys' mission was interrupted by the outbreak. And the one that survived tried to resume it as soon as possible.

What was the deal with the very first scene? Space jockey's kill their own people? The space jockey in question seemed surprised when he started dying. And then you see his DNA being attacked, and then somehow surviving in the water. Was that the origin of life? Was it intentional or an accident?

My take on the bioweapon family tree. Black goo escapes and infects space jockeys. Jockeys all birth those eel like facehuggers who attack people to make more facehuggers or superzombies. Human infected with black goo passes it to woman causing a mutation where it forms the baby squid. Squid grows to giant facehugger, impregnates space jockey who gives brith to a closer forerunner of the Alien we know. All of which is irrelevant as it's not the same planet or ship with the Space Jockey from Alien.

David infected someone to move things along. His primary objective was to help Weyland find his cure. Seeing how alien tech affected a human host was one way.

 

[TUROK]

I don't think the goo turns into facehuggers, but rather mutates the host. Holloway is mutated, so he impregnates Shaw with a mutated seed.

 

[Wilbur]

what the FUCK HAS RIDLEY DONE

Haha

I think any hatred is a little exaggerated because Alien/s are such sacred cows. There is a lot wrong with the film, but look how much debate it's fuelled.

I don't think the goo turns into facehuggers, but rather mutates the host. Holloway is mutated, so he impregnates Shaw with a mutated seed.

Makes sense

 

[Erigu]

I feel as though he has a hidden agenda as in not to just assit Weyland but also explore himself - which could explain why he did the goo thing - it was for testing and finding out because he was interested in what would happen.

It remains terribly risky and careless. Not what I'd expect from a super-smart android...

 

[Chopper]

I don't think the goo turns into facehuggers, but rather mutates the host. Holloway is mutated, so he impregnates Shaw with a mutated seed.

Did you think you would be writing "mutated seed" on the Internet today? I sure didn't. You're right though. Which is why the pile of dead Engineers with holes in their chests makes no sense.

It remains terribly risky and careless. Not what I'd expect from a super-smart android...

He is flawed though, like Ash. This much is clear.

 

[Wilbur]

Did you think you would be writing "mutated seed" on the Internet today? I sure didn't. You're right though. Which is why the pile of dead Engineers with holes in their chests makes no sense.

Unless they thought "PAH! PUNY GOO!", ate that shit up, thought they'd shit that right out but no, goo had other plans

 

[TUROK]

Unless they thought "PAH! PUNY GOO!", ate that shit up, thought they'd shit that right out but no, goo had other plans

Prometheus 2 will be Jackass in space with really tall aliens. A bunch of randomly cut scenes filled with Space Jockeys trying to do crazy shit for the sake of doing crazy shit.

Did you think you would be writing "mutated seed" on the Internet today? I sure didn't. You're right though. Which is why the pile of dead Engineers with holes in their chests makes no sense.

Haha, the internet always leads to weird stuff. We should just write the script to Prometheus 2.

 

[Jackpot]

It remains terribly risky and careless. Not what I'd expect from a super-smart android...

So much of the crew's decisions don't make sense. Why did David or the 2 doctors she knocked out not ask about what happened to the alien foetus that was inside of her? Why didn't they try to resume quarantine of the crazy person who attacked them? Why did no one follow-up on what happened to the crab-zombie? It's like they forgot him. Why did they leave the bridge unmanned when the 2 guys needed their help? Why blame a life sign reading on a glitch when they've seen the shit in the chamber?

 

[Wilbur]

Prometheus 2 will be Jackass in space with really tall aliens. A bunch of randomly cut scenes filled with Space Jockeys trying to do crazy shit for the sake of doing crazy shit.

Oh shit, Wee-Man Engineer is going to be brilliant. So fucking small at 6 foot.

So much of the crew's decisions don't make sense. Why did David or the 2 doctors she knocked out not ask about what happened to the alien foetus that was inside of her? Why didn't they try to resume quarantine of the crazy person who attacked them? Why did no one follow-up on what happened to the crab-zombie? It's like they forgot him. Why did they leave the bridge unmanned when the 2 guys needed their help? Why blame a life sign reading on a glitch when they've seen the shit in the chamber?

but it was pretty though right

God I can't believe I've spent all night hating on this film when I love it. I really am going to put it in the file marked flawed masterpiece along with Bad Boys II

 

[Erigu]

I think any hatred is a little exaggerated because Alien/s are such sacred cows.

Well, there was a certain elegance to the Aliens and their weird/horrible lifecycles, in those first movies... Now, look at us trying to make some sense out of the new mess Prometheus introduced. Was something really gained?

He is flawed though, like Ash. This much is clear.

Like I said, I don't think that's the same thing...
Ash's behavior was horrible as far as the rest of the crew was concerned but made sense for Weyland-Yutani.
David's, on the other hand... Haphazardly infecting crewmembers with an unknown substance like that...

 

[raphier]

So much of the crew's decisions don't make sense. Why did David or the 2 doctors she knocked out not ask about what happened to the alien foetus that was inside of her? Why didn't they try to resume quarantine of the crazy person who attacked them? Why did no one follow-up on what happened to the crab-zombie? It's like they forgot him. Why did they leave the bridge unmanned when the 2 guys needed their help? Why blame a life sign reading on a glitch when they've seen the shit in the chamber?

simple. Weyland hired his crew via Suicide Hotline.

Spoiler

They all wanted to die

Also, they totally missed the opportunity to use the Space Jockey. He could've managed to fly away, but still be infected when the first Alien implodes him off-course towards the well known planet.

 

[Wilbur]

Well, there was a certain elegance to the Aliens and their weird/horrible lifecycles, in those first movies... Now, look at us trying to make some sense out of the new mess Prometheus introduced. Was something really gained?

Probably not, no. It was unnecessary in the grand scheme of things. But we're all trying to hard to clarify the fantastic ideas the film had hidden beneath the confusion. I really liked the film, I really did. At least it's generated a lot of discussion and makes enough money for a sequel; they have to do one for this, if not for Alien.

 

[Chopper]

Haha, the internet always leads to weird stuff. We should just write the script to Prometheus 2.

Act 1. Scene 1. External shot of an Engineer and his partner holding hands and skipping through the dusty landscape of LV-426.

Engineer 1: I'm really pleased we took this break together. Especially after that hectic episode back on LV-223 when that black goo start getting loose and infecting everyone.

Engineer 2: Ah, yes. About that, I've been meaning...

Engineer 1: Let's fuck.

*Engineer 1 lays out picnic blanket, produces a boom box, and plays I Like To Move It, Move It by Reel 2 Reel as they make sweet love*

10 minutes passes.

Engineer 1: Right. i'm just going to go sit in the pilot's seat for a bit.

Engineer 2: Okay. I'm off.

 

[Erigu]

Probably not, no. It was unnecessary in the grand scheme of things. But we're all trying to hard to clarify the fantastic ideas the film had hidden beneath the confusion.

Are there really fantastic ideas hidden in there somewhere though?

 

[TUROK]

Act 1. Scene 1. External shot of an Engineer and his partner holding hands and skipping through the dusty landscape of LV-426.

Engineer 1: I'm really pleased we took this break together. Especially after that hectic episode back on LV-223 when that black goo start getting loose and infecting everyone.

Engineer 2: Ah, yes. About that, I've been meaning...

Engineer 1: Let's fuck.

*Engineer 1 lays out picnic blanket, produces a boom box, and plays I Like To Move It, Move It by Reel 2 Reel as they make sweet love*

10 minutes passes.

Engineer 1: Right. i'm just going to go sit in the pilot's seat for a bit.

Engineer 2: Okay. I'm off.

I'll get Ridley on the phone.

 

[Wilbur]

Are there really fantastic ideas hidden in there somewhere though?

I think the juxtaposition of Engineer/human and human/android could potentially be interesting. So too could the Darwinism/creationism aspect, the origins of the Engineers and their motivations for creating human beings. The reasoning behind parasites as their biological weapons.

They're all alluded to in the script but there's so many of them that that's all they get, allusions.

 

[Wilbur]

I'll get Ridley on the phone.

Not Ridley, he won't look at the script.

How I think I'd like to see the second one go down is move away from it's Alien connections and explore some of the ideas I stated above. Have David question the theory of creationism and perhaps believe that despite his birth being of a method other than organic, the possibility that the humans are still exists. Have the Space Jockeys showcase why they're an intelligent and advanced race and why they want to destroy Earth without throwing everyone around a room. How scared they are of this parasitic race of xenos and goo because it is out of their control. They realise they aren't gods after all because they cannot control and oversee all.

Then some shit happens.

 

[berg ark]

For me, it was frustrating to not get the answers to the following questions:

1. Why did the engineers want to kill the humans

2. Where did the engineers come from?

3. Why did the engineers want the humans to find them?

4. Why did the engineers plant life on earth?

 

[Mr. Sam]

Wait, no - how did a geologist, who mapped out the cave and had equipment in his suit that told him his exact co-ordinates, get lost in a circular cave?

No, really. I know there are bigger questions to answer about goo and mutated sperm, but is this just me?

 

[Wilbur]

For me, it was frustrating to not get the answers to the following questions:

1. Why did the engineers want to kill the humans

2. Where did the engineers come from?

3. Why did the engineers want the humans to find them?

4. Why did the engineers plant life on earth?

Yes, yes, yes and yes. Nothing you or I will really be answered because the scriptwriters aren't good enough to sate it, but meh.

No, really. I know there are bigger questions to answer about goo and mutated sperm, but is this just me?

Obviously every time Elba thrusted inside Theron, there was such magnitude that it shook the whole of LV-223, messing with the compasses on Fifield's map things.

 

[Fallout-NL]

And wtf was up with the zombie?

 

[pringles]

So much of the crew's decisions don't make sense. Why did David or the 2 doctors she knocked out not ask about what happened to the alien foetus that was inside of her?

Yeah felt like there might have been a scene missing there with David asking "what happened?" and Shaw answering "It's dead.", or similar. This was nothing that bothered me however, there were a lot of crazy shit happening and I don't think it was a priority for David to find out what was going on with Shaw's "pregnancy".

Why didn't they try to resume quarantine of the crazy person who attacked them?

That "crazy person" was basically the person in charge of the mission. As far as I know they didn't have authority to "quarantine" her. David was more interested in waking up Weyland and the doctors, well, maybe they just lost her? Or didn't care know/care enough to chase her down and try to restrain her when she obviously didn't want to go to cryosleep. Could have added a short scene to clarify this stuff I guess.

Why did they leave the bridge unmanned when the 2 guys needed their help? Why blame a life sign reading on a glitch when they've seen the shit in the chamber?

The captain's actions there were somewhat hard to interpret, but 1st of all, they couldn't really help them. They had no way of getting to them, and making them panic by screaming "OMG THE PROBE IS PICKING UP WHAT IS PROBABLY A FUCKING DEADLY ALIEN OMG START RUNNING GUYS!" would not have been helpful. And in actuality, it wasn't really anything, right? Or was the probe picking up life signs from the cryotube? It was just stuck at a door.
Also, the captain had other things on his mind, and Charlize Theron on him.

 

[Chopper]

And wtf was up with the zombie?

Black goo infected him. Made him go psycho. My guess is, if the team hadn't killed him, he would have died anyway.

 

[Mr. Sam]

Obviously every time Elba thrusted inside Theron, there was such magnitude that it shook the whole of LV-223, messing with the compasses on Fifield's map things.

I'm more concerned with how they got lost in the first place, before Theron got the good ol' Elba lovin'.

FATHER!

 

[Erigu]

For me, it was frustrating to not get the answers to the following questions:
1. Why did the engineers want to kill the humans
2. Where did the engineers come from?
3. Why did the engineers want the humans to find them?
4. Why did the engineers plant life on earth?

I don't know about the second one (how do you answer that? they were created by yet another species? if we end up with abiogenesis at some point anyway, isn't that a bit of a wash?), but agreed about the rest... Basically, we don't know why pretty much anything happened, which is "a bit of a problem". Yes, they want to make sequels and they claim they'd address some of that stuff then, but c'mon...

 

[Vagabundo]

No, really. I know there are bigger questions to answer about goo and mutated sperm, but is this just me?

That was a WTF moment too. And him being an geologist mentions something about all the rocks looking the same - maybe it was his mate.

If they got lost why didn't they radio in and get directions. It really didn't make sense.

 

[The Xtortionist]

So on a scale of 1-10, how graphic is the alien face rape scene

 

[berg ark]

I don't know about the second one (how do you answer that? they were created by yet another species? if we end up with abiogenesis at some point anyway, isn't that a bit of a wash?), but agreed about the rest... Basically, we don't know why pretty much anything happened, which is "a bit of a problem". Yes, they want to make sequels and they claim they'd address some of that stuff then, but c'mon...

Yes I understand it begs the questions - who created the creators which created the humans. It's a endless chain which cannot be answered.

 

[Chopper]

So on a scale of 1-10, how graphic is the alien face rape scene

8/10 I guess. There's full penetration, but it's not gory. Just...horrible. It's the abortion scene that took me by surprise.

 

[Erigu]

No, really. I know there are bigger questions to answer about goo and mutated sperm, but is this just me?

It's not just you. Like I said over in that other topic, I think it's funny how the movie actually went through the trouble of introducing the idea of those neat laser-balls right before having those characters stupidly get lost. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[Vagabundo]

For all intents and purposes this is very loosely a prequel, very, and then you say “But how did that ship evolve in the first Alien?” Then I would say “Actually he’s one of the group that had gone off and his cargo had gotten out of control,” because he was heading somewhere else and it got out of control and actually he had died in the process and that would be the story there. That ship happened to be a brother to the ship that you see that comes out of the ground at the end. They are roughly of the same period give or take a couple hundred years, right?

I guess that explains the ship.

no real link except it explains, I think, who may have had these capabilities, which are dreadful weapons way beyond anything we could possibly conceive, bacteriological drums of shit that you can drop on a planet and the planet…

 

[Wilbur]

I guess that explains the ship.

Well there you go. Now answer more questions.

Just seems to me like natural evolution led the bio-organic weapons to overcome their masters; the real Prometheus(eseseses) of the title.

 

[Chopper]

I guess that explains the ship.

Sort of. There's still that little impregnation issue.

 

[RedStep]

So my question to those that have seen it:

Was it (US) PG-13+, or was the film always going to get an R rating? I'm curious how far over that line the content was.

 

[Mr. Sam]

It might come across as if I disliked the film - I'm thinking I can throw it on the "deeply flawed but very enjoyable" pile - but something else that bothered me was the old cliché of running away in a straight line from something falling on you, when it would be much easier to just run to the side. That Shaw and Vickers were slipping over as if running on custard just drove the point home.

So my question to those that have seen it:

Was it (US) PG-13+, or was the film always going to get an R rating? I'm curious how far over that line the content was.

There's some pretty graphic gore and grossness. It could have been edited out, I suppose, but the movie would have been worse off for it.

 

[Erigu]

They are roughly of the same period give or take a couple hundred years, right?

So the Engineers kept getting killed by their own mankind-slaughtering weapons for hundreds of years, and none of them ever reached Earth in the end?
Dude.

 

[TUROK]

So the Engineers kept getting killed by their own mankind-slaughtering weapons for hundreds of years, and none of them ever reached Earth in the end?
Dude.

Stupidest supreme lifeforms ever.

Oh well.

 

[Vagabundo]

Any more questions for ridley? I'll just ring him again on the bat phone.

 

[Wilbur]

Any more questions for ridley? I'll just ring him again on the bat phone.

how big is ur peens

 

[pringles]

For me, it was frustrating to not get the answers to the following questions:

1. Why did the engineers want to kill the humans

2. Where did the engineers come from?

3. Why did the engineers want the humans to find them?

4. Why did the engineers plant life on earth?

1. Maybe humans were just test subjects for their biological weapons, weapons they meant to use for their own wars. Or something completely different. I mean, this is the question that they are basing the whole idea of a sequel on, and the question didn't arise until well into the movie, so why'd you expect an answer to it in this movie is beyond me. Shaw is basically like a deeply religious person that has just found out God hates her and all other humans and wants us dead.

2. Endless cycle. "What existed before the universe?"

3. I don't know if we can say for sure that they did. Something went wrong when they were on their way to exterminate the humans, supposedly many thousands of years ago. Maybe humans were never meant to live long enough to master space flight etc. If it was an invitation, it should have been to the engineers home-planet, right? Not to some military planet. A warning? A failsafe? If humans live long enough to master spaceflight, this will make sure they come here and get infected and bring ruin to their race?

4. Who the hell knows. Maybe they were thinking something in line of "create race genetically similar to us, and test all manner of weapons and shit on them instead of us".

Imo not having clear answers to any of these question doesn't reduce my immense enjoyement of the movie. When watching Alien you don't know where the Space Jockey or the ship and eggs come from. You don't know what they are for. Still awesome movie. Not everything needs to be spelled out, some things are MORE fun if they are kept mysterious. Although I'm sure if there is a Prometheus 2 that it will definitely give a lot more answers to the Engineers motivations.

 

[MMaRsu]

So much of the crew's decisions don't make sense. Why did David or the 2 doctors she knocked out not ask about what happened to the alien foetus that was inside of her? Why didn't they try to resume quarantine of the crazy person who attacked them? Why did no one follow-up on what happened to the crab-zombie? It's like they forgot him. Why did they leave the bridge unmanned when the 2 guys needed their help? Why blame a life sign reading on a glitch when they've seen the shit in the chamber?

The bridge was unmanned cause idris was tappin dat ass

 

[Chopper]

Any more questions for ridley? I'll just ring him again on the bat phone.

Does the creation of a Xenomorph require a facehugger impregnation or not? Prometheus suggests not in order to validate the origin story, but that goes against everything we've actually seen, including the birth of the queen at the end.

If Shaw's beautiful baby was the first facehugger and the queen was the first Xenomorph, which is how I perceived it in the cinema, then his explanation doesn't stack up. If they weren't, then the whole thing is kind of pointless.

Whilst I'm having a hard time with the logistics of this movie, I agree with pringles whole-heartedly. I really, really enjoyed it. I don't need answers to the "bigger" questions. But the basic rules of how Xenomorphs are created, magic goo or no magic goo, should be a lot more consistent. It's bothering the shit out of me.

 

[Erigu]

When watching Alien you don't know where the Space Jockey or the ship and eggs come from. You don't know what they are for. Still awesome movie.

Alien is about a space ship having to deal with a freaky, dangerous extra-terrestrial animal. There's not much in the way of obscure motivations and grand agendas.
Prometheus, on the other hand...

 

[Vagabundo]

Ridley claims to "know where it is going":

Have you already opened those doors in terms of you already know where these answers are and it’s just a matter of making it or are you sort of like “We will think about that a little bit assuming the movie is a hit. Let’s talk later.”

It’s a bit of each. You do a bit of each and I’ve opened the doors. I know where it’s going.

That’s a pretty open door and then rather than going to that, I don’t see landing in a place that looks like paradise, that’s not how it’s going to be. There is a plan, yeah.

how big is ur peens

lol.

 

[TUROK]

Any more questions for ridley? I'll just ring him again on the bat phone.

Can he hooks it up with that Noomi Rapace or Charlize Theron?

 

[Vagabundo]

Can he hooks it up with that Noomi Rapace or Charlize Theron?

lol maybe..

anyway here is the full interview:

http://collider.com/ridley-scott-prometheus-2-sequel-interview/170207/

I'm off to try get the baby to bed.

 

[pringles]

Alien is about a space ship having to deal with a freaky, dangerous extra-terrestrial animal. There's not much in the way of obscure motivations and grand agendas.
Prometheus, on the other hand...

Yeah I know, but you could also look at Prometheus as being about the crew of a spaceship having to deal with all sorts of alien infections and organisms and whatnot. Alien had Ash with fairly obscure motivations, Prometheus has David and to some extent Vickers. Yes Prometheus is more complex, asks more and bigger questions, but it doesn't all have to be answered in order for it to work as one hell of an awesome sci-fi monster movie.

 

[Mr. Sam]

I'm off to try get the baby to bed.

Tentacles or no?

 

[Erigu]

Yeah I know, but you could also look at Prometheus as being about the crew of a spaceship having to deal with all sorts of alien infections and organisms and whatnot.

Except them going there was no accident. They were invited.
Why though?

And it turns out the "weapons" were specifically meant to destroy them (mankind, that is).
Why though?

And those guys who want to destroy mankind? They also created mankind.
Why though?

Basically, that's all we have about the Engineers' motivations: at some point, it was important to create mankind, then it was important to invite mankind, then it was important to destroy mankind (man, we're so important after all!). That's it. Pretty flimsy.

Alien had Ash with fairly obscure motivations

But that one was clearly answered within the movie.

 

[Chopper]

Except them going there was no accident. They were invited.
Why though?

Only Shaw suggsted they were invited. Their origins were merely depicted in cave paintings.

And it turns out the "weapons" were specifically meant to destroy them (mankind, that is).
Why though?

Not just specifically humans. Just a weapon. The Engineers are clearly assholes.

And those guys who want to destroy mankind? They also created mankind.
Why though?

You got me. Sequel!