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[Erigu]

The machine was designed so that the patient needs nothing but the machine.

So that's the emergency you envision? Old man Weyland having to operate on himself?

If this was a flaw in the movie, then all sci-fi drama is inherently flawed.

Bullshit, naturally.

The crew being able breath in the dome, told us that indeed an artificial atmosphere mirroring EARTH was created there.

That doesn't make it okay for our crack team to remove their helmets. Again, there could be all kinds of unknown germs, in that atmosphere.

if you fuck someone while infected then they give birth to superfacehugger as we saw.

And thankfully, it doesn't actually infect said someone, 'cause, hey, that's our heroine... Back off, black goo.

 

[Tacitus_]

Does that bother her all that much, in the end? She still has faith. "Where's my cross?"

She's grasping at straws at the end. And as we know, humans like to take refuge in religion. We viewers can see how futile it is.

The xenomorph life cycle, however, is a fucking logistical mess.

It's always been a mess. First there's the egg where the facehuggers come from. These have to impregnate a large enough animal to sustain the chestburster. After its violent birth, it somehow manages to multiply its size and mass from nowhere.
It's all just sexual and rape allegories intertwined with gory horror imagery.

 

[Jarmel]

That doesn't make it okay for our crack team to remove their helmets. Again, there could be all kinds of unknown germs, in that atmosphere.

They're fucking idiots. I wouldn't worry too much about it. You have a fucking geologist with the map on his arm freaking out either because he's claustrophobic or xenophobic, I don't know because the plot is too lazy to explain, forgets HE HAS A MAP ON HIS ARM and gets lost. You then have a biologist who should know better than to try and pet some weird alien snake thing that he has no clue how it will respond to a foreign lifeform. You have scientists who have no contact procedure in general.

This was a field trip by a bunch of idiots that didn't plan jack if they were successful but just had insane amounts of money thrown at them so they looked professional.

 

[Erigu]

She's grasping at straws at the end. And as we know, humans like to take refuge in religion. We viewers can see how futile it is.

Well, I really doubt that was the idea, as far as the movie was concerned...

After its violent birth, it somehow manages to multiply its size and mass from nowhere.

The creature ate the crew's supplies, originally. That was omitted from the final movie.

 

[Chopper]

Right, they completely fucked everything up in this. You see a statue of a proper xenomorph as we see in the original Alien so the Engineers did have contact with our lovable and misunderstood beasts however we have no clue why or even how.

What we have here is some weird new octo-facehugger, possibly a larger version based on a concentrated dose of the magical black goo. We also know the black goo modifies your genetic material as seen by the worms. The effect on humans and Engineers is rather unclear which is absolutely bullshit due to its importance but we know four effects; it drives you mad, it gives you superhuman abilities, can make your head explode, and if you fuck someone while infected then they give birth to superfacehugger as we saw.

Lindeloff proving that he learned fucking nothing from LOST.

To be fair, I can even deal with the cycle.

Black goo -> Infected Host -> Impregnated host -> Facehugger birth -> Queen born -> Egg cycle begins

Makes enough sense. What doesn't make sense is how it's happened before. And yes, I know there are theories, but an origin story is much more fun than an ambiguous tie-in any day of the week.

 

[Mr. Sam]

What we have here is some weird new octo-facehugger, possibly a larger version based on a concentrated dose of the magical black goo. We also know the black goo modifies your genetic material as seen by the worms. The effect on humans and Engineers is rather unclear which is absolutely bullshit due to its importance but we know four effects; it drives you mad, it gives you superhuman abilities, can make your head explode, and if you fuck someone while infected then they give birth to superfacehugger as we saw.

Possible fifth - you crumble into ashes and birth humanity.

 

[Tacitus_]

Well, I really doubt that was the idea, as far as the movie was concerned...

It may have been or may not have been.

The creature ate the crew's supplies, originally. That was omitted from the final movie.

That only explains the mass increase. The xenomorphs still have an extremely convoluted life cycle that doesn't make any sense.

 

[Erigu]

The xenomorphs still have an extremely convoluted life cycle that doesn't make any sense.

I dunno, we have some pretty weird shit on Earth as well...

 

[Tacitus_]

I dunno, we have some pretty weird shit on Earth as well...

That we do, some parasites have extremely detailed life cycles. I'm just saying that the xenomorph lifecycle was already highly convoluted, so these additional steps don't 'completely fuck it up'.

 

[Chopper]

That we do, some parasites have extremely detailed life cycles. I'm just saying that the xenomorph lifecycle was already highly convoluted, so these additional steps don't 'completely fuck it up'.

Not so much "completely fuck it up", more complicate it to the point of nonsensincal gibberish.

"Despite the fact that we've just gone through great efforts to show you exactly how the life-cycle of a xenomorph begins, we are going to throw a spanner in the works by showing you that is has happened before, but in a different way, under different circumstances because the black goo is unpredictable and magic."

Fuck you. (Not you. The guy who thought it was cool.

 

[Erigu]

Besides, I'll wager that Space Jesus does not make an appearance in the sequel.

OH SH

Movies.com: You throw religion and spirituality into the equation for Prometheus, though, and it almost acts as a hand grenade. We had heard it was scripted that the Engineers were targeting our planet for destruction because we had crucified one of their representatives, and that Jesus Christ might have been an alien. Was that ever considered?

Ridley Scott: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose.

Naaah, why would you think that?

Ridley Scott: But if you look at it as an “our children are misbehaving down there” scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, “Lets’ send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it. Guess what? They crucified him.

'Kay...

 

[brandonh83]

My problems:

-Shaw giving birth to squidhugger and not telling anyone about it or the fact that it's still alive on the ship, this was the worst thing about the movie
-Theron's death was lame, should have saved her for one of the monsters at the end to give her the most fucked up going out party (also her character lacked that moment where you realize why she's in the movie)
-scene with Shaw on the crashed ship knowing she's being stalked should have played out for at least another 5 minutes, that was over way too fast and started out so promising
-as mentioned, the dumbass "scientists"
-the other two pilots who had no objections to the suicide run and even seemed happy about it
-running in the direction of the elongation of the crashing ship instead of to the side
-needed some downtime with character talk rather than rushing through events in the second half

So, definitely some issues but I really dug it overall and I think a director's cut could help out a lot, akin to Kingdom of Heaven. I really loved seeing the evolutionary process of the aliens occur and I'm really excited about future installments. Just hope a director's cut comes along and adds about 10-15 minutes to the movie that felt missing.

 

[Messypandas]

did the giant facehugger make anyone else think of Watchmen?

 

[Erigu]

-scene with Shaw on the crashed ship knowing she's being stalked should have played out for at least another 5 minutes, that was over way too fast

But then you might have started to wonder why she was being stalked...

 

[Jarmel]

-the other two pilots who had no objections to the suicide run and even seemed happy about it

HANDS UP!

But then you might have started to wonder why she was being stalked...

Because he's a petty organic.

 

[brandonh83]

But then you might have started to wonder why she was being stalked...

I just assumed that it was trying to kill everyone and Shaw was the only one left. Thing was super hostile when it woke up and Shaw was the only survivor of that scene so it knew about her and knew that she got away.

I guess you're right in that it didn't fully explain why it was hostile, but I didn't think too much on it as it was some kind of higher being that had been through hell and woke up to be met by other organics that it probably didn't trust. I just saw it as letting a lion out of a cage.

 

[watershed]

Oh so those religious implications about Christ are intentional? Does that mean Jesus didn't have a beard and was instead a hulking bald engineer?

Anyways, I just saw the movie and while I share many of the critiques about the plot that have already been stated, my biggest gripe just coming out of the theater is that it wasn't scary enough. There was some gross stuff but nothing frightening.

 

[Jarmel]

my biggest gripe just coming out of the theater is that it wasn't scary enough. There was some gross stuff but nothing frightening.

I was literally laughing out loud during half of the scenes in the movie due to how stupid they were.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

HANDS UP!

That scene was truly WTF. It took me a moment to realise they were flying to their deaths after they were just casually joking about it like it was nothing! Bizarre.

 

[brandonh83]

The only reason I wasn't scared was because I had to piss sooooo bad through most of it, and finally got up and went to do so -- something I rarely ever do during a movie. I got up right after Holloway was torched and Shaw was being talked to by David after it (I think) and came back right when she was about to have the c-sec done.

Also I saw it at a Movie Tavern which was a huge mistake as the hosts kept waving "LAST CALL FOR ALCOHOL" signs through like at least 20 mins. of the movie. I really need to watch it again, this time knowing what to expect and not having to go to empty my bladder. I thought some of it was pretty intense, I wasn't really let down by the suspense or horror aspects, in fact I found them quite good, it was just a bad showing for me in a number of ways.

 

[Jarmel]

That scene was truly WTF. It took me a moment to realise they were flying to their deaths after they were just casually joking about it like it was nothing! Bizarre.

Best scene of the movie. I haven't laughed that hard in years.

 

[Erigu]

Oh so those religious implications about Christ are intentional? Does that mean Jesus didn't have a beard and was instead a hulking bald engineer?

Jesus's cousin. Didn't see that one coming, didja?

Well, my next viewing of Alien should be an interesting one...

 

[Truant]

Anyone have pictures of the protohugger?

 

[brandonh83]

I also felt that there should have been a stronger endgame, like having the giant squid chasing Shaw and Fasshead as they're trying to reach one of the other ships to take off. The squid was awesome but underused. When you have a giant facehugger squid thing you milk it for all its worth. And it was pretty grotesque, just under utilized.

 

[glaurung]

That scene was truly WTF. It took me a moment to realise they were flying to their deaths after they were just casually joking about it like it was nothing! Bizarre.

So to recap on the crew:

• The geologist and biologist panic, get left behind and get lost in the dome. The geologist cannot find his way out of a structure that his own devices are mapping. Both are freaked out by learning that there might be a life form somewhere around yet when meeting it, they decide to cuddle with it. Fatal consequences.
• Ford and the other medical officer try to put Shaw into stasis. She gets loose and goes to perform her little DIY abortion. Ford and the other medical officer are NEVER SEEN AGAIN.
• The two pilots agree that ramming the departing alien ship with their own ship in a kamikaze maneuver is totally reasonable and do not even try to talk with the captain. Fatal consequences.

Worst crew ever?

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

I wonder with a sequel how they'll work in other humans, only Shaw and Dave would be odd.

They could end up another place with a form of humanity seeded, though that would stil leave Shaw and David the only Earthlings.

I think my biggest question actually is the map/invitation at the start.

Why? That needs to be answered, you don't just leave around star maps or any sort of influence on people to create star maps unless you expect people to find it one day. And why would you send those who find the map to the military testing ground as opposed to their actual home planet?

There are too many possibilities to even consider, really. Plans, intentions, power structures can change a lot over a few dozen thousand years.

How smart is it for the bosses of Weyland (him and Vickers) to spend at least 4 years on a trip to the other side of the galaxy? You don't get on top of the Forbes 500 like that.

You don't stay on top of anything if you're dead. But coming to the end of his life, taking a gamble on the chance to make contact with humanity's progenitors and cheat death has got to sound better than hanging out in a hospice.

The exploded engineers suggests that they had given birth to Xenomorphs, but there was no evidence of facehuggers or that there were anything resembling female Engineers.

Maybe we saw them and they were just butch.

I just hate the inconsistencies and overcomplication of the Xenomorph birth process and how it ties into what we know from the previous films. I hate the fact that having discussed the matter here afterwards, it is evident that Shaw's offspring was not the first Alien, which dilutes the impact of that scene and sub-plot entirely. The abortion and the giant hugger attack were visually awesome scenes, but what point do they serve other than to have an excuse to have an Alien appear at the end if this is not an origin story?

It's like a parallel origin story. It tells us where xenomorphs come from in general. I for one don't really care that it's probably not specifically the ancestor xenomorph of those we've seen before.

 

[WJD]

I was literally laughing out loud during half of the scenes in the movie due to how stupid they were.

I hope someone slapped you round the head.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

So to recap on the crew:

• The geologist and biologist panic, get left behind and get lost in the dome. The geologist cannot find his way out of a structure that his own devices are mapping. Both are freaked out by learning that there might be a life form somewhere around yet when meeting it, they decide to cuddle with it. Fatal consequences.
• Ford and the other medical officer try to put Shaw into stasis. She gets loose and goes to perform her little DIY abortion. Ford and the other medical officer are NEVER SEEN AGAIN.
• The two pilots agree that ramming the departing alien ship with their own ship in a kamikaze maneuver is totally reasonable and do not even try to talk with the captain. Fatal consequences.

Worst crew ever?

Maybe they were all just a bit unhinged. You'd have to be to abort the squid baby and carry on like it was nothing. I didn't even think about how the guy who got lost was the mapping one... they really all were idiots! Whoever suggested just using the storm as a reason for breakdown of communication was right on - would have made far more sense.
Did Lindelof do a "Whedon" on this series?

 

[Confidence Man]

Right, they completely fucked everything up in this. You see a statue of a proper xenomorph as we see in the original Alien so the Engineers did have contact with our lovable and misunderstood beasts however we have no clue why or even how.

What we have here is some weird new octo-facehugger, possibly a larger version based on a concentrated dose of the magical black goo. We also know the black goo modifies your genetic material as seen by the worms. The effect on humans and Engineers is rather unclear which is absolutely bullshit due to its importance but we know four effects; it drives you mad, it gives you superhuman abilities, can make your head explode, and if you fuck someone while infected then they give birth to superfacehugger as we saw.

Lindeloff proving that he learned fucking nothing from LOST.

I doubt he ever had any intentions of it making sense. It was just "hey it'd be cool if a giant worm attacked them in the room and went down the guy's throat, let's make the black goo mutate it", "oh and lets have another guy fall into it and turn into a supermutant and attack everyone else", "and don't forget we have to have the squid monster, so let's make it that one guy ingests it and impregnates the girl with mutant sperm so she gives birth to it." But won't sharing bodily fluids turn her into a mutant too? "Eh don't worry about it, only crazy fan-nerds are going to think about that stuff."

He just didn't give enough of a shit to have sat there and worked out exactly what the black goo is and what it does.

 

[ThanksVision]

Question. In Alien they discover the Space Jockey's suit with an extrusion from the chest. This wasn't explained in Prometheus though, was it? The "Engineer" simply got out of its suit and went after Shaw.

 

[watershed]

The two murals, especially the xeno one, were pretty cool as well as that green stone thing. Those elements reminded me most of the mystery of the space jockey from the first alien. They were tantalizing but unexplained.

Plot wise I think the worst element for me was the crew being stupid as bricks. Every crew has one idiot but here they were all idiots, and they're supposed to be top line talents in their fields.

 

[RS4-]

Enjoyed the film quite a bit.

And re: the green stone that Holloway was looking at, he mentions that the place is just another tomb or something.

 

[brandonh83]

Question. In Alien they discover the Space Jockey's suit with an extrusion from the chest. This wasn't explained in Prometheus though, was it? The "Engineer" simply got out of its suit and went after Shaw.

Different planet and different engineer.

 

[JonnyBrad]

Question. In Alien they discover the Space Jockey's suit with an extrusion from the chest. This wasn't explained in Prometheus though, was it? The "Engineer" simply got out of its suit and went after Shaw.

Correct. In other words. Its a different Jockey and ship.

 

[Chopper]

I doubt he ever had any intentions of it making sense. It was just "hey it'd be cool if a giant worm attacked them in the room and went down the guy's throat, let's make the black goo mutate it", "oh and lets have another guy fall into it and turn into a supermutant and attack everyone else", "and don't forget we have to have the squid monster, so let's make it that one guy ingests it and impregnates the girl with mutant sperm so she gives birth to it." But won't sharing bodily fluids turn her into a mutant too? "Eh don't worry about it, only crazy fan-nerds are going to think about that stuff."

He just didn't give enough of a shit to have sat there and worked out exactly what the black goo is and what it does.

Nicely put. Unfortunately you are totally right.

 

[ThanksVision]

Different planet and different engineer.

This whole time I believed it to be the same planet. I mean the tie in was very strong: the space jockey ship falling and landing just like it looked in Alien. The message Shaw leaves that warns people to stay away. Weird.

 

[Chopper]

This whole time I believed it to be the same planet. I mean the tie in was very strong: the space jockey ship falling and landing just like it looked in Alien. The message Shaw leaves that warns people to stay away. Weird.

It's not just you mate. The film woud have been more fun if they were on the same planet. *shrugs*

 

[Messypandas]

This whole time I believed it to be the same planet. I mean the tie in was very strong: the space jockey ship falling and landing just like it looked in Alien. The message Shaw leaves that warns people to stay away. Weird.

Apparently Prom takes place on LV 223 and Alien LV 426(?)

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

I figured the planet not looking like the one from Alien/Aliens was kind of a giveaway. Also, even if they don't get the full information of what happened in this movie, we know the Weyland company would know about this planet, what they hoped to find there, and that something mysterious happened. So for it to be considered a good choice for plunking down a colony would seem weird. If anything it would be someplace they'd be checking for the alien biotech they lusted after, rather than being caught flatfooted 100 years later.

 

[Jarmel]

I hope someone slapped you round the head.

It's not my fault the movie is a comedy.

 

[Pachterballs]

amazing movie. I can't read over the 11 pages prior but I gotta say; I love that they killed hardy relatively early on; theronz was amazing in this; in fact; I can't fault the movie much. I will be rewatching this. Its a 10/10 from me.

I'm assuming it was already discussed but why do you guys think the space marine in the prologue killed himself via goo? That was the only thing about the movie that they leave sort of unanswered.

Also love that the movie hints at a sequel; where she goes after the SM; now; that is going be an amazing movie.

Fucking love fassbender in this.

 

[heliosRAzi]

I think the big question is how Aliens vs. Predator fits into all of this.

 

[Speedymanic]

Maybe it is the same planet? Maybe the engineers come across the signal, land to investigate but are set upon by the proto-queen?

Although I suspect the ship she left in is the one that features in Alien, but it's not outside the realm of possibility that the ship in Prome is the one in Alien, we just don't see the events unfold in P1. Maybe it's something they'll show in the sequel.

Shaw and David find the engineer planet, crash land/are shot dow, the goo infects the planet, one or two escape who are then drawn to the planet where it all started and are set upon by the proto-queen/proto face huggers, end Prome 2 with the chestburster we all know bursting out of the engineer.

Yeah, I'm not great at coming up with stories, but something along those lines (but much better written and fleshed out) would be cool.

 

[DarkKyo]

I think the big question is how Aliens vs. Predator fits into all of this.

It makes me wonder if the predators know about the engineers and how by long do the engineers pre-date the advanced predator civilization.

 

[Elvin Atombender]

Although I suspect the ship she left in is the one that features in Alien, but it's not outside the realm of possibility that the ship in Prome is the one in Alien, we just don't see the events unfold in P1. Maybe it's something they'll show in the sequel.

I think it's more likely that the ship we see in Alien was piloted by someone who managed to escape from the planet in Prometheus 2000 years ago when something (xenomorphs) happened. The pilot might have been impregnated before he/she took off or something happened with the cargo of facehugger-eggs.

 

[FreedomFrisbee]

This guy is pretty spot on:

*insert guy complaining about science in a sci-fi film*

This guy too

*insert guy complaining about things in the story happening to move the story along*

People have done the head thing with dogs. In russia. They just simplified the process. Technology being unbelievable in a sci-fi film, what a crazy concept.

The Zombie guy, Rapace going down the hall and Weyland getting woken up all seemed to happen close enough to be overlapping. Each specific event was occurring to allow Rapace to get down that hall. Gee what a coincidence! That's just the crux of any story tho, things happen to make things happen. Calling the movie a mess because you can ask 'why' about everything is stupid because you can do that with EVERYTHING. Why didn't the xeno in Alien just kill evereyone to begin with? Why is it's blood conveniently acid? Why these things that a clearly plot devices to justify the premise of the movie?

I can't tell if you're trolling or what. Is today opposite day and no one told me?

Do you not find the concept of Noomi and David in space inherently cool or something? What's so wrong with that setup? The dynamic of their relationship alone would be enough to make an interesting movie. Then they're also searching space for the answers to the deepest questions you can imagine, with the means to find those answers. How is that not an exciting plot concept?

It is evident that this is not true. Unfortunately.

And I say "unfortunately" because if it had been the first facehugger, and the resulting alien had been the first queen, it would have made so much more sense. Oh yeah, and to set it on the same planet as Alien(s).

I can deal with the other ambiguous stuff, more or less, but am getting bored of theories that people are just plucking out of the air. The film should have done a better job of clarifying some ideas. But mostly I can deal with it.

The xenomorph life cycle, however, is a fucking logistical mess.

Ya, mincing my words at 3 in the morning. I meant that in the grand scheme of things, it would be what spawns a hive of xenomorphs or whatever. It's clearly not the VERY FIRST one. I don't really findthe xeno lifecycle to be that much of a mess tho. It's just more of a straight line than a cycle at this point. Certainly it isn't super clear how it works, but beyond Alien it never really was.

Maybe it is the same planet? Maybe the engineers come across the signal, land to investigate but are set upon by the proto-queen?

It isn't the same planet, but it's implied that the situation has occurred before, so it's easy to say that the planet in alien had a similar thing happen to it.

 

[Jarmel]

I think it's more likely that the ship we see in Alien was piloted by someone who managed to escape from the planet in Prometheus 2000 years ago when something (xenomorphs) happened. The pilot might have been impregnated before he/she took off or something happened with the cargo of facehugger-eggs.

That reminds me, if the Engineers were running away from whatever; why would they run into the room where a good chunk of the containers are being held?

 

[watershed]

That reminds me, if the Engineers were running away from whatever; why would they run into the room where a good chunk of the containers are being held?

The closer you are to danger the further you are from harm?

 

[Chopper]

Ya, mincing my words at 3 in the morning. I meant that in the grand scheme of things, it would be what spawns a hive of xenomorphs or whatever. It's clearly not the VERY FIRST one.

Fair enough. Still, it doesn't explain how its happened before.

The sequel needs to be a prequel.

 

[Speedymanic]

I think it's more likely that the ship we see in Alien was piloted by someone who managed to escape from the planet in Prometheus 2000 years ago when something (xenomorphs) happened. The pilot might have been impregnated before he/she took off or something happened with the cargo of facehugger-eggs.

I guess that's possible. Good catch.

That reminds me, if the Engineers were running away from whatever; why would they run into the room where a good chunk of the containers are being held?

I assume there was no threat in that room as the containers were all sealed? They only started to leak after the crew altered the atmosphere and David opened one to retrieve the contents.

It's possible the worms which mutated attacked the other containers out of curiosity which made those ones leak? Probably not though.