No it's not look closer. The thing on the right is clearly in one of the engineer space armors (see the neckline, and compare it to the living engineer's neckline of his suit)
If anything it's more like a civil war
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No it's not look closer. The thing on the right is clearly in one of the engineer space armors (see the neckline, and compare it to the living engineer's neckline of his suit)
If anything it's more like a civil war
I definitely agree with that.
I mean, I'm convinced Lindelof is a hack (among other things), and the nature of the issues with the script are eerily familiar indeed, but I don't know that it is fair to have him shoulder the entire blame, here. He wasn't running the show, and I find Scott's recent interviews a bit bewildering...
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In a related question, this origin destroys any connection that AvP could have to the Alien Universe now, right?
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Any way this movie tries to explain 'the origins of xenomorphs' makes no sense when paired with Alien.
The crashed ship in Alien is full of xenomorph eggs. Deliberately laid out in chambers, with a protective mist layer. The original space jockey was also killed by a chest burster.
Xenos cannot have been some kind of accident, they cannot have been created only at this point.
Irrespective of any merits in other departments, Prometheus is an awful prequel. The black goo is midichloreans basically.
The crashed ship in Alien is full of xenomorph eggs. Deliberately laid out in chambers, with a protective mist layer. The original space jockey was also killed by a chest burster.
Xenos cannot have been some kind of accident, they cannot have been created only at this point.
Irrespective of any merits in other departments, Prometheus is an awful prequel. The black goo is midichloreans basically.
They weren't created at this point. There was clearly a xenomorph on the door which contained the vases. I wish someone could get a picture of this. I feel like this was a very important part of the movie many people missed.
The Engineers are Predators obviously
Mutations and dire shit happened relatively quickly with humans exposed to goo. They traveled half a billion miles and didn't notice anything wrong along the way? They didn't have any quarantine protocols?
Under this theory, it seems unclear whether the goo simply reacts badly with humans, or whether human contamination ruins the goo (meaning that any being exposed to it after humans is gonna be screwed).
What else would he be going to Earth for? And if he wasn't going there to bio-nuke us, then the self-sacrifice of the captain and his ensigns is meaningless; it isn't a sacrifice at all. They just blew up some starship that could have been coming to save us or to observe. That's where the LiveJournal hypothesis falls apart.
To be fair, I guess you can't definitively say that he was headed for Earth anyway. Maybe that was the course they plotted 2000 years ago, but who knows where the surviving Space Jockey actually wanted to go?
Not sure what you mean here. David is an android, completely inorganic. Why should it react to him any more than it reacts to the stone walls or containers? Outside of the opening sequence, do we ever see Space Jockeys handling the goo "normally"?
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He has the classic "people whined about my answers now I don't try to answer things and people still whine" syndrome.
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Uh...that crashed ship they find in Alien is on LV-426.
The ship in this movie is on LV-223.
Different ships, brah.
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Prometheus is not a prequel and Ridley Scott told us time and time again to not try to tie it in directly with Alien. That was not his intent. The Xenomorph at the end of Prometheus wasn't even the same type that was in Alien.
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She was doubling over holding her abdomen several times during the sequence. They may have realized what occurs when humans contact the goo and he may have known it. As for David, i guess it might be because of his ability to speak their language? That or the feel of his head? I'm not sure.
Thinking about the murals and the chamber. I think the concept of Warlike humans = creates xenomorphs is something the the Engineers may have realized. As the room was used to store the goo, the murals may have been a warning to not let humans get close to it lest they create the monsters.
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This thread seriously needs a FAQ posted on every page, because seriously.
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But he runs INTO the room, not out of it. Why are they running inside the head-room? Where did the others go? It looked like a dead-end in there.
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It was a dead end, and it was obvious the room never opened again once they went in...except there was only that one body. and the head.
I believe that's called a "plot hole"
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I think, 3 or 4 ran into the room and that one tripped outside of it.
But the bodies found on the site had their chest exploded from inside out. And so did the cryochambers with the dead engineers inside. Some of them were zombified I guess, but xenos were definately present there 2000 years ago from Prometheus.
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Yes, and David makes it clear they are all dead except Rage Engineer.
Other ships + the xeno right at the end. If you want to make it fit there's enough gaps in the story to do it.
Way I see it, the creation of life on earth is an accident. So the xeno being another accident is pretty ironic.
-Engineer guy at the start creates bio-weapon, gets sentenced to die by his own weapons on lifeless planet -> Life on earth gets kickstarted
-Maybe other Engineers realised what happened and came for observation -> archeological finds
-Engineer governement tries to decomission the bio-weapon facilities of the Engineer baddie from the start of the move and shit goes down -> what Prometheus finds on the planet
Yeah, him trying not to answer things sure is a very recent development.
Oh, SpeedingUptoStop, you card!
Basically, Lindelof comes up with half-cooked (and even that's a euphemism) sophomoric "wouldn't it be wicked cool if...?" ideas, and whenever he bothers to make explanations up for some of that crazy shit, they're terrible.
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lol. Clumsy engineer is clumsy.
My take was, the outbreak was going on elsewhere, and the place was going into lockdown. The room they were heading into was not yet compromised.
They're only human. What's her name gets squished for the same reason. :lol
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That's a big one, along with the "taking off" hologram that ends up with the jockey sleeping in his pod.
That's another place. We're talking about the head-room. It's a dead-end, yet three aliens ran in before the door closed. Yet there was only a head inside........
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Looks like he couldn't engineer himself a way to not trip.
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Yep, it was in no way intentional.
Definitely did not just cover my desk in gushing forehead blood btw.
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They also couldn't engineer themselves a door that would sense there was a physical body in its way. We have those today.
Engineers. The fuck ups of the galaxy. Shaw is going to get to the planet and find them all dead due to their own stupidity. Humans win.
Mind elaborating before you get more brain damage?
I need to see it again, because I want to see the hologram recordings a second time.
But I had a random thought: maybe the Engineers running into the room were running away from the last Engineer - the one that got decapitated. He was already infected.
If the place was going onto lockdown, perhaps they were emergency doors sealing to prevent further spread. Given what the place housed, doors that are designed to shut no matter what in the event of an outbreak would make sense.
But I had a random thought: maybe the Engineers running into the room were running away from the last Engineer - the one that got decapitated. He was already infected.
If the place was going onto lockdown, perhaps they were emergency doors sealing to prevent further spread. Given what the place housed, doors that are designed to shut no matter what in the event of an outbreak would make sense.
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The travel speed of the engineer ships could be much faster than that of humans so they may not have realized anything was wrong until they got back. They may not known of this outcome but I guess the mural theory I just posted would disprove this. Or not depending on how we could work the details. Still a lot of odd questions that we can't really answer.
The self-sacrifice of the captain may as well have been meaningless if the intentions of the engineer weren't to kill humans at all. The sacrifice only carries meaning to the viewers because of the viewpoint we're watching it from, but it could've just been a stupid act because of a misunderstanding.
But yeah, it's hard to really judge where he was going to head after being woken up. In fact, I think the log that was aiming for Earth may have been prior to their visit 2000 years ago but I really don't know. I'd have to look at the sequence again. All we know is that Earth is on the map but we don't know the timeline of the recording.
What i'm getting at is that if it reacts to the beings around it. Since it doesn't react to inorganic material and it didn't seem to create creatures from Engineers normally (going by the first seen), then it has to be something with humans, I believe.
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Since we're on this crazy topic. Ridley, the villain, is named after Ridley Scott.
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Oh I can tell. I can feel Ridley's presence.
hahahahah I actually did like the movie a lot, and I just felt it was brought down by Lindelof's involvment. The things I had problems with were key things that tend to pop up in his writing.
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Kinda sucks that androids can't make it to the end without the milky fluid flowing.
Poor Ash, Bishop, David
Poor Ash, Bishop, David
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I like this theory.
Have you been drawing any crazy parallels in your head to the Halo prequel books?
I saw this, too. A figure on the horizon toward the left side of the screen. Cut away just as I took notice of it. Wasn't sure if it was really a figure or not, but had immediate flashbacks to missing the background detail in the Ferris Wheel scene of Cloverfield.
Or maybe it happened the same way Shaw got infected. Engineer gets unknowingly infected, gets frisky with his girl BAM XENO.
Come on son. The engineers have developed past our flimsy culture of fear. All their equipment are deadly/made of stone/ballsacks just because.
Or if you go by my theory, the stuff in the opening scene isn't 100% same stuff seen in the vases.
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Ghaleon, I had a similar theory to you, but also quite different.
I think that the cave paintings were left so that when humanity had advanced far enough and sought out the Engineers, the Engineers could reset them to scratch. It's a method of controlling potential threats in the universe.
They reset them and once they become advanced enough for interstellar travel and thus a potential threat to the Engineers' dominance in the universe, they're pointed toward their destruction. At which point the Engineers would be awoken and sent to Earth to commence the bombing run of the black goo.
I think that the cave paintings were left so that when humanity had advanced far enough and sought out the Engineers, the Engineers could reset them to scratch. It's a method of controlling potential threats in the universe.
They reset them and once they become advanced enough for interstellar travel and thus a potential threat to the Engineers' dominance in the universe, they're pointed toward their destruction. At which point the Engineers would be awoken and sent to Earth to commence the bombing run of the black goo.
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Seemed like he stumbled because he was sick. I don't know the full nature of the holograms, but I don't assume they tell the whole story - perhaps the ones that ran into the room were also ones that tried to take off in the ship and the hologram just didn't show them opening the door back up and walking out or whatever.
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I think a lot of the explanations actually present themselves once you start thinking about it. There are a few key questions I want answered. But those are the same questions Shaw wants answered at the end of the film.
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So Jesus Christ was an alien, we killed him, and that's why they want to kill us? Sounds silly, but I can understand it. Still, this kind of information SHOULD HAVE been in the movie, or should be in the sequel.
Nice little write-up, but it's way too presumptuous. Like the idea of the black goo adapting itself to the mental state of the host. What's the mental state of the worms?
We KNOW that they were killed by things bursting from their chests.
So yeah, it does bring up a few good points, but it also incorrectly assumes too much about the film.
I'm just throwing stuff out here, but....
Is it possible that the emergency situation we see in the holo-recording actually happened on Earth? Bad shit goes down, everyone gets murdered by mutants, the survivors attempt to escape and all but one survivor dies in the process before he makes it into stasis at the last second. That's essentially what happens in Alien. Then the surviving ship makes it to the homeworld and the remaining monsters aboard wipe out the planet's population (a variation on Alien 3).
Is it possible that the emergency situation we see in the holo-recording actually happened on Earth? Bad shit goes down, everyone gets murdered by mutants, the survivors attempt to escape and all but one survivor dies in the process before he makes it into stasis at the last second. That's essentially what happens in Alien. Then the surviving ship makes it to the homeworld and the remaining monsters aboard wipe out the planet's population (a variation on Alien 3).
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Why create us in the first place if you're simply going to destroy us when we develop interstellar travel?
I think there was something about us specifically that led to them wanting to "reset" Earth. Maybe it's our warlike nature or maybe it's something we did specifically, like crucifying space jockey Jesus 2000 years ago.
It was probably an emergency blast door in order to keep those things in.
You guys just can't accept that we were labrats meant for testing and finally harvesting of dat xenomorph army.
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I don't think Ridley has the balls to make a sequel where he tells everyone Jesus was an alien we murdered, so we can probably set that theory on the back burner.
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