PROMETHEUS UNMARKED SPOILER THREAD!
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True true it's like lost all over again
He was spreading his seed, creating conditions for humans to arrive and evolve, but as even the actual movie points out, it makes no sense because of evolution. Their biotech is instant in every other scenario, but somehow millions of years long to make crappy little versions of themselves via a common ape vector. Which they then get mad at, for lord knows what. Maybe they are mad at people for inventing fire. Because we haven't actually done much else by the time they get mad.
AHappyPanda
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Probably the one time I'll come to the defense of this movie. The evolution argument is wholly separate and not really applicable. The movie goes out to create a different "creation" story completely for its own universe, not our reality.
I think that may be where the sequel is headed. The Engineers are the Titans, they are Prometheus, spreading knowledge and the gift of life. Not mankind. But then why did they want to kill us? And what went wrong on that ship?
umm I don't think the black goo had anything to do with the evolution, the engineer's DNA did, which traveled alone in the waters. Let's just say that the organism, which shared same acids just took many different paths, other animals and something as similar as the engineers, for the environment plays a big role in evolution. But yeah, that would also alter our DNA, so no matter the origin it can't be 100% match.
How in the world did it make no sense? It shows that the Engineers created humans. Which is the whole point of the movie. Finding humanity's creator.
Isn't Star Trek 2 out before them? The "first" Star Trek was probably the most enjoyable sci-fi movie in the last 5 years. Pure pulpy space opera fun.
I (finally?) watched Avatar a few days ago and thought the exact same thing.
symphonask
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Illustrated Xenomorph conception, drawn by H.R. Giger:
If the picture is considered canon, it kinda implies that there has to be female Engineers, right? Or did the Engineers experiment on human females.
The beginning of the film implies that they have no problem sacrificing themselves to create life.
If the picture is considered canon, it kinda implies that there has to be female Engineers, right? Or did the Engineers experiment on human females.
The beginning of the film implies that they have no problem sacrificing themselves to create life.
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Angry Fork
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There's also Gravity by the Children of Men guy but I hate Sandra Bullock so the movie is already partly ruined for me. edit - beaten
ViewtifulJC
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Ether_Snake
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Like I said, I think the mural and tomb demonstrate that the engineers are not the gods, they are the servants of the Xenomorphs.
The tomb has "black goo" in what looks like ceremonial vases that leads to the creation of Xenomorphs, it's seemingly very virulent. And in that same room, there is an altar, with a Jesus-posed Xenomorph above it, as if holding it in high esteem. On the side is a mural with an Engineer punching an alien creature.
So the whole room implies: xenomorphs = holy and god-like, engineers = fighters/servants.
It's like the engineers are actually working to "grow" humans, and then use them as hosts for the Xenomorphs. Not to use the Xenomorphs as a weapon, but rather to provide with Xenomorphs (gods) with a reproductive mean.
Gravity got delayed. Forgot about Pacific Rim, that is next summer. It has a ton of potential.
It is, but I'm wary of it due to the Lindelof factor.
Yep. It's cliched and formulaic, but it's still incredibly well constructed and executed.
Angry Fork
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If Lindelof writes Star Trek 2 most of the crew will be atheist except 1 character who 'has faith' and is 'strong against all odds' and he/she manages to overcome the other pessimistic, realistic assholes by turning out to be right. Then everyone will drop to their knees and say sorry you were right we shouldn't have ever doubted etc.
Also everyone on the ship will be revealed to be created by a superior power, and a main character will die in space, floating with arms extended in Christ imagery as he falls into the sun. Super metaphorical.
Also everyone on the ship will be revealed to be created by a superior power, and a main character will die in space, floating with arms extended in Christ imagery as he falls into the sun. Super metaphorical.
ViewtifulJC
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Abrams was ever to overcome a crummy screenplay from the peerless duo of Orci/Kurtzman, but if they combine with Lindelof, forming the unholy Hollywood Hackatron? I don't even think PTA can beat that shit.
DKehoe
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Is he religious?
LowParry
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That does make a lot of sense with that room. That whole room is the most interesting thing about the movie. A shame we didn't get to fully explore its content and discover what it really meant. But that alien mural certainly tells us that the xenomorphs already exist or have for quite some time. I really wanted to know what that green stone was, and what the other mural with the engineer meant. I'm willing to bet there was more murals in that room that they didn't show.
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The green stone seemed to be on a coffin. It might even contain a Xenomorph, a "god", with the vases being much like the equivalent of the Chinese emperor's guards statues in China
edit: In fact, the coffin might symbolize an "egg", the giant head might symbolize the "host". The Xenomorph is above the head, is symbolizes what becomes of the union: the birth of the godly Xenomorphs.
I would tend to put more of ST2009's success on the shoulders of the great cast and their amazing chemistry than on Abrams, but you aren't wrong - he managed to turn what should have been a turd on paper into a fine piece of blockbuster filmmaking.
LowParry
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The green stone seemed to be on a coffin. It might even contain a Xenomorph, a "god", with the vases being much like the equivalent of the Chinese emperor's guards statues in China
Maaaaaaan, they should of just made the whole movie about that room. It's so far more interesting. Also, didn't we seen hologram engineers enter that room before we saw the last one fall and had its head decapitated? Where were they?
Lindelof was heavily involved in the first films script, he just wasn't credited as a writer.
I can't see how a sequel would work, to be honest. Especially if it revolves around David and Shaw going to the homeworld of the Engineers. Are we supposed to believe that despite all that's happened with the Engineers, they'll be able to even land on the home world, let alone be given time to sit down with a cup tea with Lord Engineerzo for a meaningful discussion?
And outside of that, what would the story possibly be if were something new within the universe?
And outside of that, what would the story possibly be if were something new within the universe?
Oh come on, I thought the briefing scene was one of the worst in the movie but you don't have to make up your own dialogue to make it worse than it is.
He said something along the line of "In our galaxy there is only one system that matches, and that system has one planet, and that planet has only one moon capable of supporting life."
Big deal.
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Yeah they went in, but they fell in a plot hole. Or they came back out later on, it's not clear.
ViewtifulJC
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Oh yeah, you're right, it's a combination of Abrams confident direction and the absolutely fantastic cast they turned a script with that many plot contrivances and weak-as-hell villain into one of the better blockbuster movies of the past few years. Those qualities all confirmed to be back makes me a little more confident.
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Everytime somebody doesn't get why the biologist and the other guy were trying to be friendly to the alien life form in the face of certain death, I slam a nail into my hand.
My hand is pulp now.
Wait, how is a glorified eel supposed to be "certain death"? Sure, we as the audience know that, but there is no reason at all the characters would or should know that.
I suspect he's mostly betting on the viewers loving that kind of stuff...
Plus it's kinda self-serving: "don't be like those skeptical, critical scientific guys (nerds!), don't question the plot: it's all about spirituality and feeling all warm and cozy inside as you watch the characters cry!"
Nope, Ether_Snake's version is a lot closer, actually.
radioheadrule83
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No, he's quite the opposite. What angry fork said about him there is absolute nonsense... Are we supposed to side with Shaw to such an extent we support her reckless pursuits and faith? No. The film rebukes faith. It marks it as misguided, irrelevant and dangerous in some cases.
symphonask
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Why would they worship something they created, and that was borne out of them? The only thing the movie didn't show was how they would go about creating the facehugger eggs. Presumably there are female engineers that birth them similar to Shaw? Or did they experiment on human females.
I don't think the mural portrays the engineer punching an Alien creature, that's ridiculous. It's more like the Engineer is looking down on the creature with benevolence.
I really don't know how you could interpret the movie that way...
LowParry
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Not to mention the pile of dead engineers.
Those two guys were characterised as wimps when they tried to leave (as well as incompetent when they got lost), why would they be all friendly with a snake alien when they were scared of a dead humanoid one in front of a door?
Not a Jellyfish
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Haven't read all of this thread yet, but has this writeup been posted. It's quite long but here's a small bit. This movie is insane,
http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1
I have found a problem with his explanation of one scene so far....
She didn't call it an abortion because the machine was only set up to operate on male (assuming the old man), if she had the option to select "abortion" I am sure she would have done that.
Edit: The writer does go on to say that they do not want to begin to examine the thought of pro choice in the film, still I am pretty sure she just wanted it out. She was in pain, it was not human, pretty sure it was at the point of get it out any means necessary.
Angry Fork
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It's kind of hilarious because the writer seems to have missed the scene before that where she's like GET IT OUT OF MEEEEEE.
Not a Jellyfish
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Yeah, I understand the symbolism to the god Prometheus via the way she has it cut out of her abdomen but in no way was there any concern for the health of the squid baby. haha
radioheadrule83
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Erigu, I came to that interpretation easily, by simply watching the film.
radioheadrule83
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Oldschoolgamer
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I really don't buy into anything that deep in that particular scene. She had an alien inside of her that was on the way to busting out through her abdomen. The only choice she had was to override the device and get a C-section. It was the fastest and "safest" option. It wasn't called an abortion, because it wasn't one. They're two different types of procedures.
It's probably likely that she would have died if she tried any other means of getting it out of her.
It's probably likely that she would have died if she tried any other means of getting it out of her.
So maybe the Engineers are at war adn the gods are their creators. Life making life making life and so on. Going back to the Blade Runner conflict of created killing creator. Maybe the Engineers are at war with their creators. Gods vs Titans like humans vs Engineers. Perhaps in the beginning they were just putting their DNA in fertile worlds. Not to make humans but to make sure if they get wiped out by the Gods that the titan DNA will survive and evolve.
Edit: my ramblings make no sense since they want to kill us.
Edit: my ramblings make no sense since they want to kill us.
The Elite
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I still say it's the natives of the planet who may have put it there. They may have built the entire temple above the ship below. The big head room looked like a place of worship.
I could sit down and wax poetic about the mysterious Engineers and their plans and what really happened and all the religious symbols and mythological references, but what would the point be? That's like looking at a dented, rusted out, beat up Chevy from the 80's and wondering what kind of awesome engine is under the hood. Chances are that the car's innards are as shitty and neglected as its exterior. So much logic and care has been thrown out the window in constructing the story of the Prometheus's crew, why should I expect them to have any logic and care with the Engineer backstory? Chances are that it is as dumb, muddled, and full of holes as the main plot. Which makes it useless guessing at it and trying to construct a narrative with logic.
No, I am saying that there is a difference between a movie that is meant to be open to interpretation and a movie that simply defies interpretation due to the screenwriter's incompetence or inability to get across all his big ideas and back story. And that Prometheus is the latter of those two.
David Lynch has movies where it's possible to construct a mostly-sensible story and sequence of events with some ambiguities and mysteries. But he also has movies where there is no possible explanation because either there's no exposition or every possible theory is contradicted by some aspect of the film.
No, I am saying that there is a difference between a movie that is meant to be open to interpretation and a movie that simply defies interpretation due to the screenwriter's incompetence or inability to get across all his big ideas and back story. And that Prometheus is the latter of those two.
David Lynch has movies where it's possible to construct a mostly-sensible story and sequence of events with some ambiguities and mysteries. But he also has movies where there is no possible explanation because either there's no exposition or every possible theory is contradicted by some aspect of the film.
Then again, Lindelof is full of shit.
(that's also the interview where he calls the movie "hard scifi")
radioheadrule83
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So you are attempting to speak for his intentions and dismissing not only other people but the writer in question himself to suit your agenda. Got it.
Maybe you're full of shit.
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