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I'm confused. So in Aliens versus Predators, they found them in a pyramid. Now in Prometheus, they were found as a "weapon" by some race we dont know almost anything about and dropped off by some mysterious circle in the sky??? In Aliens, we found them on another planet with this species no where to be seen??

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When we're first introduced to the Prometheus ship, it says the date is 12/21. It doesn't seem like the events of the movie took place over a ten day period (ending on new years day, as per Shaw's last recording).

Don't worry about it. Time consistency is the last thing you should be concerned about in this movie. The way the movie is framed, it took place over 2.
 
Don't worry about it. Time consistency is the last thing you should be concerned about in this movie. The way the movie is framed, it took place over 2.

Well seeing h ow she sends that recording from space on the Engineer ship we have no idea how much time passed from going to find another ship and getting it off the ground and on the way to the Engineer home world. Why wouldn't that take a few days?


I'm confused. So in Aliens versus Predators, they found them in a pyramid. Now in Prometheus, they were found as a "weapon" by some race we dont know almost anything about and dropped off by some mysterious circle in the sky??? In Aliens, we found them on another planet with this species no where to be seen??

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AVP is not canon. Ridley Scott made that clear in interviews. Aliens takes place on the same moon as Alien. Where the Engineer was found with the Engineer ship. Just like in Prometheus.

All the Aliens in Prometheus, Alien, Aliens come originally from the Engineers.
 
Well the details will always be scientificly inaccurate in these kind of movies no? The main thing is that somehow the engineer created human DNA from his own via the goo.

Yes... like saying "This is a galactic system, and in this system there is a sun! And close to that sun is what seems to be a planet, and it has a moon that supports life!!".

HOLY SHIT. Did the person who wrote that even have a slight comprehension of high-school-level astronomy?
 
I'm sure these points have been talked about in the thread but, PLOT HOLES AHOY!

- I'm a biologist who has ZERO interest in this dead engineer body here
- I'm the geologist who HATED the biologist, but hey, let's roll out together
- Oh fuck, we got lost somehow...even though we literally created an entire map of the place we're exploring minutes ago and everyone else got out OK...in the middle of a storm
- There's a blip on the scanner for a life form 1 click to the East?!?! FUCK DAT SHIT, we're going West, I ain't fuckin' with NO alien lifeforms...OH! A cute little snake! C'mere snake...OH GOD. Did I mention that earlier, I had NO interest even in the DEAD alien?
- Oh, I'm really sick and instead of even REMOTELY attempting to save myself, I volunteer to have Charlize Theron BURN me alive
- Oh that guy? He just had a GIANT SNAKE in his mouth, but we don't need to mention it again
- I ran away from two people and gave myself surgery on this MIND-BOGGLING male-only surgery capsule (btw, that thing is in Theron's character's emergency escape because you know...it makes sense for her to have a male-only surgery capsule)
- We spent over $1 trillion on this mission, and even though there were only 12 of these surgery capsules made...we could only afford this male-only one..even though the Weyland representative is a female and the main person who helped get the mission going is also female
- AWESOME, I cut the alien out, thank goodness NO one chased me even though David was SUPER adamant about me keeping the alien inside me and it's even BETTER that no one ask why the fuck I have 8 staples in my stomach
- Thank God I know the code to open this door here, OH Mr. Weyland is here!
- Oh yah, the geologist came back to life as a zombie and murdered 3 of the crew, but we don't need to talk about that either
- Stringer Bell instantly figured out what the aliens were doing (military base obviously) by just killing the zombie geologist
- You can escape from getting crushed by a huge alien ship by rolling to the left a couple of times, but don't run in a straight line like an idiot otherwise you WILL get crushed by a huge alien ship
- Hello, Elizabeth? This is David. I'm completely decapitated but no worries, I can still contact you via radio somehow? Also, don't worry, neither my body nor my head moved AT ALL during that HUGE crash I just went through
- Oh btw, that engineer is PISSED and is coming to kill you, but apparently door locks don't exist in this world and he's gonna roll up on you as soon as I finish this sentence

EDIT: Forgot to add this,

- Us? We're just the Captain's lackeys. Oh what? He literally said he could crash Prometheus into the alien ship himself and to save ourselves? NAH, we BOTH decided to become heroes and sacrifice our lives as if we were deciding what to eat for dinner, steak or ramen? EASY CHOICE. We're going down with the ship, HANDS UP!

Other thoughts:
Hey Ridley, remember that the space jockey (engineer) was fossilized and in the piloting seat in Alien 1 with its chest burst open, shouldn't we somehow get that into the movie as to maintain some sort of consistency between the films? Nah...

This movie pretty much further built my dislike for the Alien franchise due to it's utter lack of discipline to keep any sort of canon. They literally just make shit up from film-to-film. Yeah, I don't like the Alien movies. I said it. I was REALLY hopeful for Prometheus because even though I don't really like the franchise, the universe it attempts to create is still pretty interesting. It's too bad they don't care about their own universe.
I can relate to the desire to deconstruct a film that let you down, but there is a point where criticism goes sour and turns into overwrought derision. You've herked and jerked and fretted well beyond that point, and made a ridiculous spectacle of your myopia. Prometheus is a gorgeous, artfully constructed audiovisual experience whose design and cinematography rival genre-defining works of science fiction, including the original Alien. It's a sensory feast for anyone who gives half a damn about the imaginative and creative aspects of filmmaking. Yet all you can do is drench the movie in bile because it didn't meet your expectations (which I dare say might have been more than a little misaligned).

People rightly expect a minimum standard of continuity in a story that takes place in an established fictional universe. Prometheus gives us that, despite its concessions to drama at the expense of logic. Great monsters are unfathomable. Darth Vader and Hannibal Lecter were diminished by their origin stories. Prometheus takes the lesson and hints at the answers to some mysteries, deepens others, and in great part restores the sinister aura of the xenomorphs which the Alien sequels so nearly stripped away. In my judgment Prometheus is the best thing to happen to Alien since Alien.
 
from a reviewer on rottentomatoes

Pattadol S said:
Ridley Scott has blown me away!!!! It's not epic as I expected before but it's still worth watching even though the script was not so good.
5/5 stars

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I can relate to the desire to deconstruct a film that let you down, but there is a point where criticism goes sour and turns into overwrought derision. You've herked and jerked and fretted well beyond that point, and made a ridiculous spectacle of your myopia. Prometheus is a gorgeous, artfully constructed audiovisual experience whose design and cinematography rival genre-defining works of science fiction, including the original Alien. It's a sensory feast for anyone who gives half a damn about the imaginative and creative aspects of filmmaking. Yet all you can do is drench the movie in bile because it didn't meet your expectations (which I dare say might have been more than a little misaligned).

People rightly expect a minimum standard of continuity in a story that takes place in an established fictional universe. Prometheus gives us that, despite its concessions to drama at the expense of logic. Great monsters are unfathomable. Darth Vader and Hannibal Lecter were diminished by their origin stories. Prometheus takes the lesson and hints at the answers to some mysteries, deepens others, and in great part restores the sinister aura of the xenomorphs which the Alien sequels so nearly stripped away. In my judgment Prometheus is the best thing to happen to Alien since Alien.

Yes, Monocle, it's very pretty, no one would deny that.

It's also dumb as a sack of shit and fails often at even the most basic elements of drama and storytelling.
 
Why do people assume because they stumbled on what "seemed" to be a military base, all of a sudden the whole planet is a base? That would be the equivalent of landing in a military test base in the middle of a dessert here on Earth and assume that the whole planet is one big testing ground.
It's still a leap, but seems like a fair enough guess if there aren't obvious signs of a worldwide civilization.
Chopper said:
If Prometheus was supposed give us a few answers about the origins of xenomorphs, they shouldn't have tied it so visually to the requirement of humans and impregnation.
If humans and Engineers are practically genetically identical, I don't know why you find it so hard to believe something similar couldn't have happened with an Engineer standing in for the parts we saw happen with humans.
Cheebo said:
It's why they look different in Alien 3 when they were birthed out of a dog (believe it was a dog, been a while since I seen it).
It's different in different cuts of the movie, but it's a dog or ox.
 
Let me dissect all the bullshit in this movie bit by bit:

First off we have the Engineer sacrificing himself to create life. There is nothing inherently wrong with this sequence except for a major visual error, mainly that of a (hopefully not the same one later on) black goo disintegrating the Engineer in order to spread life. The problem is two fold in this sequence. The first is that of the black goo breaks down his body in a similar manner, not necessarily as explosive as seen with the head, as the other black goo later on It's quite obvious the head exploded earlier because the two scientists were trying to trick the nervous system into thinking it was still alive via shocking it. The goo breaks people down, yes. It would have broken the head down eventually, but the scientists didn't know about it and tried to shock it. Electricity + goo = explosion. That really isn't that hard to put together, and my friend who has never seen any of the Alien movies and is not into sci-fi at all was easily able to put it together. Makes me wonder how much some people pay attention.

This raises issues of what exactly is the black goo, something I will address later on as that is a clusterfuck in of itself. The second problem is why is he doing this? This isn't an issue in of itself as the writers are entitled to a few mysteries. This is problematic because of the later scenes with the Engineers, mainly that they wanted to kill us. So we now have a race that created us and then wanted to destroy us with no explanation on either side and an apparent switch in behavior. As some posters detailed in earlier posts last night/this morning, something obviously happened 2000 years ago to switch the Engineers' minds. What this is? No one knows. That's why Shaw went to find them, because she wants to know. It's not going to be detailed in this movie, simply because they are aiming for a sequel. It's as simple as that.

This leads into the second issue mainly that humans were given directions to a military installation. Think about that for a second. Why of all places, a military installation instead of some remote colony to establish contact(they obviously didn't want to give humans directions to their home planet in case we as a race turned out to be evil or warlike)? There you have it. In case we turned out to be evil or warlike. The engineers did not plan for their own demise, that much is obvious. They were smart and planned for contingencies. If humanity showed up in force and were warlike/whatever, why not bring them to a military/storage planet where they would be met with hundreds of ships filled with weaponry that would theoretically destroy us easily? It was an invitation, but was also a cautionary measure. "Yeah sure, child who I gave birth to and then left behind in their infancy. I know you might be mad at us, or we really don't know how you were raised, so I'm going to keep my weapon within reach, just incase I need to protect myself. Okay?

Now before someone states that it could have been a diplomatic meeting point before they decided to kill us, remember that they had the alien mural there as well as the 'side-exploding mural' so they had been developing these chemical weapons long before 2000 years ago when they decided to kill us. Then another issue with both theories is that there is an xenomorph mural, one that doesn't look so much like a warning but rather religious in nature. They key factor there is the head down pose of the xenomorph and the way it could possibly be referencing the crucifixion of Jesus. Not sure what the problem is here. Obviously the mural showed what was an option when dealing with things. I'm not sure what the issue is here.

Also note that Davis with his magical ability to read and speak the language of the Engineers, even if they do share Sanskrit roots, does not, out loud anyway, read any sort of warning sign. Magical? You clearly see David learning as much as he can about languages on the journey to the planet. Obviously he had no idea what would be useful, but when they were mapping the temple and he found that one plaque/control panel, he figured out which language(s) would be useful and how he could communicate with the Engineers, extrapolating what he saw on the panel as written characters in a language and figuring out how to speak. There is nothing magical about it.

Going back to the narrative, the next horribly written sequence is the infodump aka the meeting on board the ship. Apparently we have the crew, of a 1 trillion dollar project, not being informed what the hell was going on before they left. They signed onto a multiyear voyage without knowing what was going on and Weyland decided to roll the dice with a crew who didn't know what was going on. It's pretty easily imaginable that he was trying to keep everything hush-hush and didn't want it getting out that this planet could possibly have the key to immortality. It is not hard to imagine that he or his representatives went to each member of the crew and gave them just enough information to get them onboard but wanted to keep the meat of the expedition until they were past the point of no return.

Now let's talk about the crew of the Prometheus. We have Janek, Holloway, Shaw, Vickers, Milburn, Fifield and David. I won't discuss the rest because they get essentially zero screentime and die without any fucks being given. Some people are simply in movies to die to move the plot. Not everyone has to be characterized and given a half hour of screen time. Sometimes there are throw away characters. It just so happened that most of the crew in this movie were said throw-aways. Would it have hurt the movie to show who they were? I think so, simply because it was painfully obvious early on in the movie that very few, if any, crewmembers would live to the end. It was obvious after the first half hour who would live and die, and it would have been wasting screen time trying to give random people their due and try to show who they are. It would have done nothing for the movie, because every member of the audience consciously or subconsciously knew that everyone was going to die.

Even among this core seven, there are inconsistent characterizations and the only two that really have any importance, or even an arc, are David and Shaw. Before I delve into those two, let me discuss the rest. I'll start with Holloway who in no way acts like a scientist. The first beyond idiotic thing he does is take off his helmet in the cave despite not knowing if there are pathogens or whether the atmosphere is consistent throughout the caves. Did you miss the part where he did a scanning of the air? I'm 99% certain he said the words "The air is clean" before he took his helmet off. Hell, he even asked David. He's supposed to come off as a Daredevil scientist who really goes with the flow and is a bit adventurous compared to most scientists. He took the initiative. It's easy to think that doing things like that were what was able to get him so far in his career. When most would take the cautious approach, Holloway went headlong and took risks. I had no problem with him taking off his helmet. Not sure how anyone could.

The second is later on when he throws a pissy fit that the Engineers are dead. Apparently the idea itself of establishing that there is indeed intelligent alien life, one of the biggest discoveries in human history, is not enough for him. He had it in his head, from both himself and Shaw, that they were the gods that created humanity. That they were waiting on this planet, eagerly anticipating Humanity's arrival and wanting to show them the stars and the meaning of life. That last part was explicitly said a few minutes earlier in the movie. His "pissy fit" is COMPLETELY understandable. You're told for probably 5-10 years that if you arrive in one area at one time you will have every question of life answered and will basically become a hero to all of humanity everywhere, only to find out that everything went wrong, everyone is dead, and nothing is going to happen but maybe being on TV and being put in a few books as the guy who found a few dead creatures on a faraway planet? Ha. Ha. Ha. Nah, that's okay. I wouldn't expect you to take a drink or two anyway.

Then there is Vickers who acts like the soulless corporate puppet. There's something to be said when people are suggesting that she actually is an android, even though that evidence is horribly unsound and contradicts multiple things. Her character is only there for the big twist at the end involving her father and even then doesn't really serve a purpose. I'm really not sure what you're saying here. She was obviously put in the movie to show the more corporate/company side of the agenda going to the planet. She was meant to be there to keep everyone on track.

Janek, moreso than any other character, is the heart of the movie. He is the one cracking the jokes and making the self-sacrificial play when needed. There's nothing wrong with this. Elba is a boss.

Milburn's character was fine up until the crew found the dead Engineer body. He then breaks down and runs away despite being a biologist and discovering an entire new organism, something that changes again later when the plot demands it. Come on, man. You show up on a planet as a biologist who was raised and trained on Earth, a guy who has gone his whole life knowing that 99% of all lifeforms on Earth(if not more, by the time the movie is set) have been found. You have been taught literally anything and everything related to the field, and there are no surprises anymore. You show up on this planet and find a new lifeform, but it's dead. The planet is dead, and obviously you just saw a recording of them running for their lives. You wouldn't be scared? All this new stuff and the obvious fact that they were more advanced than you and still died horrifically? Tell me you would not be scared. Death scares people more than life. Finding dead bodies in a cave is a whole lot different than finding a little snake. I see nothing wrong with his responses in this movie.

Finally there is Fifield. Oh boy. He first establishes himself as some sort of mercenary who is only in this for the movie who then turns out to be an actual scientist despite his whole wolf-howling bit. At first he seems claustrophobic when he enters the caves as he hesitates for a second and you can see a look of anxiety on his face, this of course makes no fucking sense for a geologist. His character just seems to be angry and crazy in general with no backstory to him at all. For a geologist who was again, born and raised on earth with nearly everything explored and detailed and was not expecting to learn anything new ever who was on a brand new planet and had absolutely no expectations on what was going to be in the cave. He was scared because for the first time in his life, things were going to be truly new and could possibly harm him.

Now for the star two, and there are problems inherent with them. David's character is broken down as the movie progresses and Shaw's character is built up. David, as we first see, is exploring the ship and wandering about in general. Despite his robotic movements, he acts in a rather human behavior. We see him eat, play sports, watch television, and study. All traits that are assigned more to a human being rather than a robot. He even has curiosity as we see with him investigating Shaw's dreams. This later leads to one of the great faults of the movie, we don't know whether Weyland gave him the order to poison Holloway or if he did it on his own. The reason this is crucial is that we don't know whether he took the initiative, which would enforce the curiosity aspect of his personality, or just was following orders, in that he was just acting like any other robot. But it's obvious that Weyland told him to do it? There is a scene minutes before where Theron stops him in the hallway and asks what "He"(Weyland) said. Eventually, David tells her, that Weyland told him, to "Try harder." What would be trying harder? Gee, I wonder. How about using some goo you found on a strange planet and putting it in someone's drink. That would be trying harder.

Irregardless the audience starts to see him becoming more inhuman as the movie progresses. We then have him getting his head ripped off and of course, there is no panic because he's a robot. Despite the fact that his 'life' might end there, he seems perfectly at peace with it. Until, as you can guess, the very end when he wants Shaw to save him. This is contradictory in that he is now showing a human response despite earlier scenes with a lack of an emotional response.Ridley, or Lidelof(whoever you care to blame), however then go back to his breakdown into a robot with the line by Shaw that he isn't anything more than a robot. The main character herself is driving this point home in another "smack-you-in-the-face-with-it" line. Do robots fear? Do they ever get scared? That is a very human emotion, and I really doubt that David can feel fear. Why wouldn't he be at peace with potentially dying? And when he wants to be saved, its simply to continue his mission. In his mind, it's either "Okay, I can die here and there is nothing I can do about it. Might as well be content. Oh wait? Shaw, you're still out there? Cool, come pick me up and I might be able to gain new knowledge. 'Sgo!"

Now as for Shaw, she suffers from the issues of consequential response in the narrative so her characterization really suffers from this as well. The main thing with her being a fundamentalist and having faith in the Engineers is obviously gone at the end, with her literally killing her god. She doesn't exhibit much of an emotional response to many of the traumatizing events in the movie such as giving birth to a squid, her boyfriend's death, seeing the Prometheus explode, nearly being flattened to death, killing an Engineer, or even helping David at the end despite there being the suggestion that she knows he killed her boyfriend or atleast she knows he was involved to a certain extent. The only consistent thing about her is the extremity of her belief, to the point that she is willing to work with David despite the fact that he tried to kill her less than a couple of hours ago. This of course deosn't make her relatable at all. Why should the audience attach themselves to a character that has shown themselves to be damn near idiotic? That's a question the movie doesn't answer and stands in stark contrast with Alien. She was obviously crying, puking, emotionally distressed and drained by the end of the movie. It's not hard to imagine that she was running on fumes, dehydrated, tired, and in shock towards the end. So many traumatic experiences so close together without time to stop and think about anything would obviously make her seem inhuman, simply because in those situations, in real life, are people rarely truly human. They run on instincts and without thinking. She was completely realistic in the last half of the movie and I expect no other reactions from her.

So back to the narrative, and the many issues found within. The crew land on the planet and magically in less than 10 minutes, find the structures. It's a movie so I'll give them the benefit of time but it does hurt the idea of scale and exploration in the movie. I give you this point if you missed the last 10 minutes of the movie. David said there were many ships(and many temples). If there were hundreds of those temples scattered around the planet, the crew would find one eventually.

Anyway the crew lands and take the vehicles. However before they do, they have an extremely, and I emphasize the word extremely, stupid sequence in which Shaw doesn't want weapons brought with them. She has no clue what is on this planet, it could be wild animals or any sort of environmental hazard, and doesn't want anything to protect herself with. Her gods were supposed to be there. She did not want to offend them. This is not hard to put together. Come on, man(or woman, if you are one. I don't mean to offend.), just think about some things before ranting about it, please?

So anyway they go inside the temple and in a very convenient bit of movie magic, they can breathe inside the temple itself. As to why they were possibly terraforming? My first assumption would be for the Engineers themselves however at the end we have the enraged Engineer come for Shaw without the ability of a suit so it implies he might be able to withstand the hostile outdoor environment. However let's just go with that being a technical error for the time being. It's said as they enter the atmosphere that "if you don't have your suit on, you're dead in two minutes. With how big the engineer was, it's not hard to think that he was able to escape the crashsite and get to the escape pod in less than two minutes. Granted, this is some wishful thinking and could, in fact, be a technical error.

So the air is breathable and Holloway and crew, as I already pointed, stupidly takes their helmets off. Also thank god for that security camera footage to help speed everything along. Whew. It recorded exactly what is needed for the plot to progress and is played at the exact right time. Although it apparently didn't record anyone coming out of that room and there wasn't any bodies in the room itself. Oops. Oh and let's not mention the stupidity of going into the room in which the outbreak possibly started from. The engineers went to the bridge to start their journey. They then went into their cryo-stasis. There were three or four engineers that ran into the bridge, and there were three or four stasis-pods. Only one of which was still functioning and housing a living Engineer. The others were dead because their systems failed. There is a minor(possibly major) plothole where you have to wonder why the ship never took off, but if you put pieces together and figure out that everybody but three or four Engineers on the ship died, the ship probably could not take off. However, it takes off later so I'm not really sure what happened between the point where they go to sleep and the ship never takes off. Plot hole, I give you, even if it wasn't the one you're talking about. And there is no evidence whatsoever to make you think that is where the outbreak began. Nada. They were obviously running from something behind them, down the hallway where no one really went. The outbreak presumably started down that-a-way.

Jumping now to the part where the geologist, I repeat the geologist, gets lost in the caves despite the rest of the crew easily able to get themselves out in a quick manner. The geologist who also is in radio contact with Prometheus. Then we have pickup scene by Janek created for the excuse for Fifield and Milburn to lose contact with the Prometheus.You're right, it was dumb. Nothing we can do about it.

Now right after Janek scares the everlasting daylights out of them, they head back to the headroom where they find a cute, and by cute I mean creepy, little snake thing. Of course right after being scared, Milburn wants to play with the thing coming out of black goo. This is a perfect example of events seemingly being written independent of each other. So both end up dead in a rather violent manner, which of course nobody notices, as everybody was getting laid while Fifield and Milburn get laid out, or the computer itself records. Like I said earlier. He was scared of dead things. He was excited by living things. Simple as that. The dead things looked semi-human and were massive. I would guess that he thought "They're more advanced, bigger, fast, stronger, and in every way better than me, yet they died here. Fuck this." and then, when finding the alien, "Oh, hey, you're small and look somewhat similar to things I have roots and knowledge about back on earth. Come here and I'll study you."

So we now come upon the issue of the black goo(excluding the opening bit). *Long paragraph about the goo* I've got nothing to say about this, mainly because this was my main issue with the movie as well.

Jumping forward to after Shaw's abortion, we see her stumble into Weyland. Nobody mentions her physical state or where the squid baby is. David doesn't ask and the people who trying to put her into stasis, don't even look at her. I would also like to mention how they didn't bother to chase her after she hit the both of them. Everyone is pre-occupied with Weyland, a genius, playboy, billionaire philanthropist, who was thought to be dead but instead was there with them. Makes senes.

David also has a nice chat with Shaw in which he states that he wants to kill his parents, a piece of foreshadowing or so I thought, however nothing comes of it except to give the whole bit about Shaw's father being dead. So Weyland being the evil atheist wants to cheat death as there is nothing, and ends up getting killed. So what was the purpose of his character again except to waste time? Was it to expand Vickers in a shallow and obvious sequence? It's not like David had much of a chance to do his powerplay or even attempted to do so. I assumed,when watching the movie, that David did not follow Weyland's direct orders and translate as he told him. Instead, I would guess that he attempted to offer something or create a truce/flatter the engineer. Hence the head-pat. He could have potentially tried his power-play, but failed. Meh. And Weyland's inclusion was to move the plot along. To get everyone back to the ship and to wake the Engineer up.

Now we have the captain deciding to kamikaze the alien ship in order to stop it from reaching Earth. He already telegraphed this in a very obvious line prior so no surprise there. The real surprise was how cavalier he was about it and his copilots as well. Hands up everybody! He seriously makes a joke right before crashing his ship which ruins all tension and the seriousness of the moment. Why should we take his actions seriously if he didn't take it seriously himself? My buddy said it best as we were walking out. "I would have rather have gone down with the ship, yeah. I mean, the planet killed literally EVERYONE on the ship except for me and my buddies, I wouldn't want to chance it down on the ground, where I would probably be beaten to death or starved to death, or whatever else. A quick, painless death would be better than that." It makes sense that the two others went with him. The hands-up was to alleviate the pressure/knowledge of coming doom. Might as well go out having a last bit of fun, no?

Next we have the squid thing all grown up and enormous in a matter of hours. The speed is pretty incredulous and obviously done for the sole sequence dealing with the Engineer, even though it could have been handled in a different and probably better manner. It was said from the beginning that it would have a quick incubation/growth to adulthood, as said by David. She was in cryo three months ago, yet somehow she was three months pregnant. The thing crew quickly.

As to who played the flute? Let's wait till the sequel. I hope this was a joke. Do you really have to be told who played the Flute? Come on.

Post was too long so I had to edit some of it.

Yes, there are some plot holes that brought the movie down, but to me it seems like 90% of the complaints are simply because people couldn't figure anything out themselves and wanted to be spoonfed, even though they complain about being spoon-fed. Whatever. I liked the movie and want another.
 
Yes, Monocle, it's very pretty, no one would deny that.

It's also dumb as a sack of shit and fails often at even the most basic elements of drama and storytelling.
That's a splendid way to simplify my point beyond coherence. For what it's worth, the audience I saw the movie with was spellbound. We were practically buzzing as we left the theater. The storytelling is adequate at worst, and if anything the drama is just behind the art design as the strongest aspect of the film.

B-bu-but creating new questions is more rewarding for storytelling. :qq :qq
Agreed, the movie should have ended with a powerpoint presentation on the alien life cycle, along with diagrams of the engineers' reproductive anatomy, concluding with a chemical breakdown of their stool. Questions want answering!
 
The worst thing this movie did imo was 1. extremely weak 'characters' and 2. giving voice to creationism as if it's a valid alternative theory. I know it's just fiction but it made me roll my eyes so hard when this SCIENTIST is going on about believing things are fact without evidence.

It's going to make every half-religious twerp in the audience doubt evolution and think it's controversial or something. I did not like how the movie shit on Darwinism so easily. And I have to believe it's the fault of lindelof because he had the christian bullshit in Lost as well he seems to have a hard on for those 'themes' which aren't deep of philosophical at all.
 
Why was this movie R.

Also, there weren't any stand out set pieces in this movie. Shit, I hate to say it, but Avatar was better than this movie. It actually had a satisfying story with well-defined characters whose motivations made sense.

James Cameron should have wrote this movie. In fact, back in the 80s he had some ideas about the origins of the Space Jockeys, which very close mirror Prometheus. I guess where Damon Lindenlof came in was taking the story further and making these Space Jockeys the engineers of mankind, which is the hook that brought Ridley back on board to shoot the movie. : http://www.alienscollection.com/jamescameron.html

Don't ask me where it was from... there are some things man was not meant to know. Presumably, the derelict pilot (space jockey, big dental patient, etc.) became infected en route to somewhere and set down on the barren planetoid to isolate the dangerous creatures, setting up the warning beacon as his last act. What happened to the creature that emerged from him? Ask Ridley. As to the purpose of the Alien... I think that's clear. They're just trying to make a living, same as us. It's not their fault that they happen to be disgusting parasitical predators, any more than a black widow spider or a cobra can be blamed for its biological nature.


Daniel Line asks more questions about the derelict which, as a writer, I could provide plausible answers for, but they're no more valid than anyone else's. Clearly, the dental patient was a sole crew member on a one-man ship. Perhaps his homeworld did know of his demise, but felt it was pointless to rescue a doomed person. Perhaps he was a volunteer or a draftee on the hazardous mission of bio-isolating these organisms.

Perhaps he was a military pilot, delivering the alien eggs as a bio-weapon in some ancient interstellar war humans know nothing of, and got infected inadvertently. "How could the man who went onto the derelict not know something was wrong when he saw the dead gunner?" Well, Dallas, Kane and Lambert saw the dead gunner and that didn't stop them. Human curiosity is a powerful force. As for the equipment left behind by the Nostromo crew being a deterrent, this requires that Jorden and the other colonists enter the derelict through the Freudian main door. In ALIENS gong version), they enter through a large rent in the hull caused by damage from the lava flow, going directly into the egg chamber level.

I mean, even if Shaw and David discover the Engineers' homeworld, what else are they going to learn? Do you think these guys would be able to come up with an interesting story? I would have felt better if this movie would have ended with a To Be Continued fade to black at the end ...
 
For all those complaining about the Med Chamber being configured/designed for a male, it's my belief that the reason that it was even there in the first place is so that Weyland could be tended for, should the pod be separated from Prometheus.

It was never intended for Vickers.

EDIT: BEATEN!

Jesus, does this even have to be explained to people? This is why I take the griping about this film with a huge grain of salt. It seems like a lot of viewers weren't paying very close attention.
 
2. giving voice to creationism as if it's a valid alternative theory. I know it's just fiction but it made me roll my eyes so hard when this SCIENTIST is going on about believing things are fact without evidence.

It's going to make every half-religious twerp in the audience doubt evolution and think it's controversial or something. I did not like how the movie shit on Darwinism so easily. And I have to believe it's the fault of lindelof because he had the christian bullshit in Lost as well he seems to have a hard on for those 'themes' which aren't deep of philosophical at all.

Really? This bothers you that much?
 
Jesus, does this even have to be explained to people? This is why I take the griping about this film with a huge grain of salt. It seems like a lot of viewers weren't paying very close attention.
Don't worry, I was told the movie was a pile of shit by someone who didn't get what was going on, it's cool. It's a fact now.
 
Really? This bothers you that much?

Yes there is no way a real scientist is going to go on about faith without evidence. You can hope something is true but flat out saying 'yup there are aliens because of cave paintings' is so dumb. And then the movie proves her right and it gives credit to anyone that believes in things 'on faith' as saying they'll be right in the future if they just keep hoping and so on. It's just annoying and stupid.
 
If humans and Engineers are practically genetically identical, I don't know why you find it so hard to believe something similar couldn't have happened with an Engineer standing in for the parts we saw happen with humans.
It's just messy. There is a distinct lack of credible evidence. No dead facehuggers, no trace of any xenomorphs, let alone an egg chamber, abandoned or otherwise, no evidence of female Engineers (all the dead Engineers were male. Wouldn't there be a load of dead females who bore heinous squid spawn?). They show us bits and bobs that suggest something happened, and then produce evidence that also suggests that what you first thought can't be true. As I say, messy. And it affected my enjoyment of the film.
 
So the massive room with the stacked cylinders was full of the black goo right? This was what was going to destroy mankind?
 
Don't worry, I was told the movie was a pile of shit by someone who didn't get what was going on, it's cool. It's a fact now.

It's got a lot of flaws but some of the complaints are due to not having paid attention or having drawn conclusions from some fairly ambiguous material.

The whole argument about the geologist and biologist, am I the only one who thought he did that for humor and nothing more?

The geologist getting lost didn't bother me because the guy was really flustered and a dipshit to begin with, but the biologist's behavior was stupid. That scene could have been fixed by having him back up into the reach of a second, unseen worm while trying to observe the first one from a safe distance.
 
I haven't seen this divisive a reaction of "disappointing mess" and "amazing, Tour-De-Force" in a long time. It's interesting to witness and to be part of.

Anyway, I was thinking about how this movie is just packed to the gills with terrible clunky dialog or characters making exposition declarations with little rhyme or reason. I think, "......Father" may be a particular favorite in the audience intelligence-insulting category to present such an obvious/cliche reveal.
 
I haven't seen this divisive a reaction of "disappointing mess" and "amazing, Tour-De-Force" in a long time. It's interesting to witness and to be part of.

Anyway, I was thinking about how this movie is just packed to the gills with terrible clunky dialog or characters making exposition declarations with little rhyme or reason. I think, "......Father" may be a particular favorite in the audience intelligence-insulting category to present such an obvious/cliche reveal.

I thought they were implying that he created her and she was the second android on the ship. She certainly acted/behaved android-esque.
 
You know what's really hilarious about all of this? GAF's favorite whipping boy, Avatar, is a much, much, much better written film than Prometheus. Yes, Cameron uses a lot of cliche and cheeseball lines, and the story is one we've seen recycled for a century, but the plot and the characters actually make sense, even if they are a bit shallow, and the movie has a sense of structure and pace completely absent in this.

It actually kind of destroys Prometheus on every level.
 
You know what's really hilarious about all of this? GAF's favorite whipping boy, Avatar, is a much, much, much better written film than Prometheus. Yes, Cameron uses a lot of cliche and cheeseball lines, and the story is one we've seen recycled for a century, but the plot and the characters actually make sense, even if they are a bit shallow, and the movie has a sense of structure and pace completely absent in this.

It actually kind of destroys Prometheus on every level.

I don't think anyone will deny that Cameron knows how to build a movie. It's just the subject matter in Prometheus is inherently more interesting.
 
So the massive room with the stacked cylinders was full of the black goo right? This was what was going to destroy mankind?

Things we can assume are "true" from what is explicitly said in the movie:

1- Engineers created humans, then changed their minds and decided to destroy them.
2- The moon is a military installation, their home planet is somewhere else.
3- It contains bioweapons that ended up turning back on the engineers.
4- There are three rooms visited in the titty-base: one is a cargo hold full of stacked jars, containing the bio-weapons, these are placed in an orderly fashion horizontally on top of one another. One is the control deck which also contains sleeping beds. One is specifically a tomb, which has a giant humanoid-head, murals of an engineer punching a creature in the head, an altar with a green stone, and a mural of a xenomorph in what looks like a religiously-significant pose, right in the center of the room, above the altar.

For some reason the tomb appears to contain the same kind of jars as those found in the cargo hold, but placed on the floor vertically. It's a bit weird for them to be there in the tomb when there are countless others stacked in the cargo hold. If this has any significance, I don't know.

The script is really poorly written, so either these things mean something, or they don't.

edit: Thinking about it, I think the xenomorph mural is basically shown as a "savior" for the engineers, as if the Xenomorph is something they hold in high regard, so its position in the room with the engineer-punching-an-alien on the side is meaningful. It means the engineers battle and defeat the other aliens under the guidance or the power of the Xenomorphs, who would be actually above them. So maybe the engineers are the worker-species of the Xenomorphs? They create life to help the Xenomorphs eventually reproduce.

That would be pretty sinister: the Xenomorphs are actually the gods? The Zergs!
 
I really wish Cameron can go back to this kind of movie. Why can't directors be faster and more hungry? You have the largest resources in the world just fucking go out and make stuff why sit around and talk about only doing Avatar from now on, as if he doesn't have enough money.
 
I don't think anyone will deny that Cameron knows how to build a movie. It's just the subject matter in Prometheus is inherently more interesting.

No disagreement there, and I'm 100% certain now that Cameron should have done Prometheus instead of Scott. Would have been just as pretty to look at and a lot more coherent as he would have flushed Lindelof out the airlock day one.
 
I don't think anyone will deny that Cameron knows how to build a movie. It's just the subject matter in Prometheus is inherently more interesting.

I'm a big bitch against Cameron's scripts. Even if the material is more interesting, the film is just such a fucking mess. Avatar is leagues above it just because it plays out... well, not in the most idiotic fashion possible. Nothing like dropping plot points with no consequences.

Sculli said it earlier, John Carter is better too.

*It burns*
 
My take on the story of Prometheus and why it worked for me.. My thoughts are a little rough and disjointed, but here are some of the big issues that came to mind.

Black Goop- It seems to be an organic life-form that attacks and mutates cells, possibly part of a multi-stage life cycle. If I had to guess, the Engineers did not create it but rather found it and began to modify it to their needs. Black Goop in large amounts when ingested causes the body to break down via the mutation process, rather than mutate into something like Fiefield. Alternatively, the Engineers experimented with the goop to create something that will modify life and evolve in a similar way as the host DNA (Prologue). I never had trouble accepting the black goop because no exact context was given other than it was a bio-weapon that attacks, mutates, modifies and or breaks down life forms.

“Proto-Alien” - It is clearly not the first “Alien” as a Xenomorph is seen on the Mural in the Ample room. If I had to guess, Xenos are likely created by the black goop further in its life cycle or by Engineer tampering. One way or another, this movie shows that the goop modifies life, and seems to follow a similar Xeno life cycle with its ‘pure born forms’. Also, it is clearly not a true Xeno as it was not born from a true facehugger it is different than the Xenos we know and love yet related. This brings me back to the black goop..maybe the black goop was created, and created by reverse engineering the Xenos we know? The fact that these thing are left open is not a plot hole but rather a purposeful mystery. It has room to expand and grow and while it leaves big questions, I feel none of them contradict the story.

David- I believe Davids actions throughout the film made sense as he way directly obeying Weyland. Further, I believe he was beginning to go ‘rampant’ as he was constantly belittled for what he was, told he has no soul, etc. Clearly David wanted to be something more, and as such he began to view humans in a very negative fashion. As for how he knew to put the black goop in Charlies drink? It could have been simple experimentation or he very well could have been aware of its effects as he seemed to understand the language of the Engineers. As for Shaw getting pregnant? It was a ‘lucky’ side effect.

Why was the operating table only calibrated for men? This one bugged me, but I think I have the answer. That special section of the ship wasn't truly for Vickers, it was for Weyland.. She simply pretended it was hers and used it while Weyland was in Cryo. If this is the case the movie should have probably said something of it, as it did bug me in the film.

Overall the story of Humanities origin was hinted at but never fully spelled out. Did the Engineers purposely create us? Did they all agree with it or was it done in secret? What happened roughly 2000 years prior to cause the Engineers to want to destroy humanity? (Does it have anything to do with Jesus? Is it possible they chose to destroy us as we ‘betrayed’ and forgot them and found another ‘God’?) Further, what happened to the Engineers as they readied to destroy humanity and why? Was it self sabotage or something else? One way or another while this movie had a simple plot and script the back story is filled with depth and mystery, and honestly opens a whole new realm of story and opportunities to explore.

The movie needed some script revisions when it came to character interactions as some things were incredibly dumbed down or just not explained and handled properly, but I also wonder if that is the by product of cutting footage. I assume Shaw was in fact pursued after she escaped and had the c-section performed, but after it was clear than the alien was removed and Weyland had woken up I believe she was on the bottom of the priority list. David choose to let her be free as he was likely impressed by her actions.. That is only speculation, and that part clearly had some cut footage and very much needed some explanation, but not to the point where it ruined the film.

The movies plot had some rough edges that really needed some work, but the ‘big picture’ of the movie was fantastic, and painted an incredibly fascinating universe that is filled with unexplored territory. This movie left me wanting more, a lot more, sometimes in a bad way but mostly in a good way. Ill be curious if Scott does create a directors cut and if he does if it will fix the bigger flaws of the film.
 
The thing with the geologist going Superman on everyone is, I'm pretty sure he killed, what, five guys? And I don't recall who a single one of them was. Just random dudes in suits he tossed around. The only reason the crew was 17 instead of 10 was so he had some fodder for that scene.

A scene that is unexplained and quickly forgotten. I still don't understand what was happening to him.
 
Yes... like saying "This is a galactic system, and in this system there is a sun! And close to that sun is what seems to be a planet, and it has a moon that supports life!!".

HOLY SHIT. Did the person who wrote that even have a slight comprehension of high-school-level astronomy?
Don't forget LONG RANGE SCANS
 
The thing with the geologist going Superman on everyone is, I'm pretty sure he killed, what, five guys? And I don't recall who a single one of them was. Just random dudes in suits he tossed around. The only reason the crew was 17 instead of 10 was so he had some fodder for that scene.

A scene that is unexplained and quickly forgotten. I still don't understand what was happening to him.

So he got black goo in his face, same as the presumably local worms - when they got exposed to it they turned in to Hulk worms, before morphing into something more complex. Maybe there is a hulk stage from consuming goo. At first I thought he was becoming an engineer. But I also have no idea why there was green goo on the first glyph, or why David thought that was 'excellent'

It really was a complete mess, like an amazing gourmet buffet that someone had simply reorganized into a disaster of pâté and pudding, bisque and brioche.

When the movie started leaking a year or more ago, we were terrified about some of the coincidental similarities, including the name, with something we are working on, so in some ways, this was a relief, but mostly I am sad.
 
Some of the points you make are not really strong, like the operation pod was CONFIGURED for males it was not a 'male' version. Also the fossilized engineer was on another planet another ship....

like someone posted before, it seems like that people have forgotten certain stuff from the film that in fact are explained.

I acknowledged the fact that I was wrong about my assumption about it being the same planet in a different post, I should probably edit my original post to reflect this, but I've yet to see anyone take my other points to task like some other people have done to other posters. I'm also fine with the explanation of the operation pod. Everything else though?
 
The thing with the geologist going Superman on everyone is, I'm pretty sure he killed, what, five guys? And I don't recall who a single one of them was. Just random dudes in suits he tossed around. The only reason the crew was 17 instead of 10 was so he had some fodder for that scene.

A scene that is unexplained and quickly forgotten. I still don't understand what was happening to him.

Yeah I had a similar problem when Weyland woke up and he had some assistants. My first thought was who the fuck are these guys.
 
I can relate to the desire to deconstruct a film that let you down, but there is a point where criticism goes sour and turns into overwrought derision. You've herked and jerked and fretted well beyond that point, and made a ridiculous spectacle of your myopia. Prometheus is a gorgeous, artfully constructed audiovisual experience whose design and cinematography rival genre-defining works of science fiction, including the original Alien. It's a sensory feast for anyone who gives half a damn about the imaginative and creative aspects of filmmaking. Yet all you can do is drench the movie in bile because it didn't meet your expectations (which I dare say might have been more than a little misaligned).

People rightly expect a minimum standard of continuity in a story that takes place in an established fictional universe. Prometheus gives us that, despite its concessions to drama at the expense of logic. Great monsters are unfathomable. Darth Vader and Hannibal Lecter were diminished by their origin stories. Prometheus takes the lesson and hints at the answers to some mysteries, deepens others, and in great part restores the sinister aura of the xenomorphs which the Alien sequels so nearly stripped away. In my judgment Prometheus is the best thing to happen to Alien since Alien.

Now to this I concur. It had many rough edges, but it remains gorgeous, intense and fascinating in its implications, both for its own narrative and for Alien.

Yeah I had a similar problem when Weyland woke up and he had some assistants. My first thought was who the fuck are these guys.

The ship just seemed to be over populated for the story. Did the captain really need two co-pilots? If it were just the captain making the decision to sacrifice himself, would the scene have been diminished? A core cast of around 10, not 17, would have served the film better.
 
So he got black goo in his face, same as the presumably local worms - when they got exposed to it they turned in to Hulk worms, before morphing into something more complex. Maybe there is a hulk stage from consuming goo. At first I thought he was becoming an engineer. But I also have no idea why there was green goo on the first glyph, or why David thought that was 'excellent'

It really was a complete mess, like an amazing gourmet buffet that someone had simply reorganized into a disaster of pâté and pudding, bisque and brioche.

When the movie started leaking a year or more ago, we were terrified about some of the coincidental similarities, including the name, with something we are working on, so in some ways, this was a relief, but mostly I am sad.

Well for the Green Goo I assumed it was a bio-electronic that allowed him to interact with the buttons/glyphs.

The movie assumed that you will accept too much without at least trying to acknowledge some of these issues, and it is a big flaw. Still, I enjoyed it.
 
This has probably been answered but the first scene of the movie where the white guy disintegrates, is that supposed to happen on planet earth and his DNA spreads and starts humans?
 
Well for the Green Goo I assumed it was a bio-electronic that allowed him to interact with the buttons/glyphs.

The movie assumed that you will accept too much without at least trying to acknowledge some of these issues, and it is a big flaw. Still, I enjoyed it.

Space Lo Pan should also go down as one of the most needlessly expensive and counterproductive casting exercises of all time. Any older actor would have saved much of that mess.
 
This has probably been answered but the first scene of the movie where the white guy disintegrates, is that supposed to happen on planet earth and his DNA spreads and starts humans?

Yeah, I think it was panspermia or something. Makes no sense like the entire movie.
 
The movie is never un-interesting, I'll give it that. Never boring. It has big ideas coming out the ass, big questions, and it looks absolutely incredible. It's these big, broad strokes that keep your attention as so many, many of the smaller things fall apart and discarded just like so much tissue paper.
 
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