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A lot of this movie reminded me of 2001, which I think was intentional.
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A lot of this movie reminded me of 2001, which I think was intentional.
talisayNon
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i hate that disgusting self abortion/goo shit..would rather they delve into the mythology than that gut wrenching crap
yeuch /pusha t
yeuch /pusha t
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I'm really feeling like this thing has literally major plot holes. If the jockeys wanted to kill all humans, are we to believe that they were ALL stopped by accidents with the black goo? Really? The whole damn race fucked up on the same day or what? Even those on their home planet? Or did they change their minds again and decided not to go wipe out mankind?
Oh, I wouldn't know. I only made it through half of 2001. I noticed a few connections here and there to it, Alien, and also Sunshine. Although I felt Sunshine had a lot of mechanics from Alien, so maybe that's why.
That does seem like a big pothole. Why you gotta bring that up? The fact is though, that we don't know if that was all of their weapons, how many more there or whatever. I don't see it as a plothole, it doesn't affect the actual events of the movie. Moreso the backstory.Joe Shlabotnik
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Net_Wrecker
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That was like the best scene of the movie. The one time I really felt some intensity jumping off the screen. Noomi really brought it.
The auto medlab thingy was introduced with the subtlety of a sledgehammer.
But then the little twist with it being programmed for a male was nice.
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Oh, I wouldn't know. I only made it through half of 2001. I noticed a few connections here and there to it, Alien, and also Sunshine. Although I felt Sunshine had a lot of mechanics from Alien, so maybe that's why.
The other weird thing is how the space jockeys leave for Earth, then the transmission cuts off. But there is no dead body or anything in the room, there is one sleeping in a pod. In the hologram, it shows a couple going to sleep, and one piloting some coordinates. But we never see one sit in the dentist chair, the transmission cuts off, and when David and Co. get there there is one sleeping in a pod, there others are presumably dead, and the ship looks like it never left. What was that hologram about then, other than to give an excuse for Dave to know how to pilot it and for us to understand they were leaving for Earth?
Makes no sense. What stopped them from leaving? And if something stopped them, why did it not kill the dude sleeping?
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This thread is why we cant have nice things.
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Come on, it didn't have to be such a mess of a movie. It made amateurish mistakes.
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I assume when they installed it they refused to purchase the female module DLC on principle given price obviously wasn't an issue.
Messypandas
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What is so frustrating is that the movie had the roadmap to be an absolute classic. Great cast, ideas, visual design but the script just pulled the rug from under its feet. It's annoying how needlessly bad it was when all it needed was a more competent writer
Oldschoolgamer
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Heh rewatching Aliens. I wonder how many androids it took before they started placing the behavioral inhibitor in them. Tho David turning into fucking Ultron by the end of the movie was ridiculous, him and Ash set it up so that the one in Aliens wasn't a total nutcase? Do they touch on that in the comics/side material any? I guess after Ash went haywire, they started taking precautions.
Also, I'm guessing Vickors hitting the pushups was more of a reference to Vasquez doing pullups right after Hyper Sleep. Kinda nice.
Also, I'm guessing Vickors hitting the pushups was more of a reference to Vasquez doing pullups right after Hyper Sleep. Kinda nice.
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Ash didn't malfunction though, he did what he was told to do.
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One thing that MIGHT have been cut from the movie in relation to David, would be to imply that him and Weyland already know a lot more about what they are going to find on the planet, including the black goo. They could, again with the "prometheus" myth thingy, have implied that Weyland did get in contact with some engineers, who could have filled them with the knowledge gap between the star map and the precise location of the moon, and what they would find there. Obviously engineers who want mankind to access the "fire". It could have been a bit of a back story about Weyland Industries having made contact way back when Weyland was still younger (pre-TED talk, the TED-talk implying what he has "found").
This would deepen Weyland's motivations, and David's actions, because it would imply that they are following a plan. When David finds the vial, it could have been something he was looking for. When Weyland tells him to try harder, it could have implied David did tests with the goo that were not conclusive because not tested on a human. When he tests its content on dude-bro, it could have been part of the plan to test it on a human subject. The impregnation thing could have been purposeful in that regard. We can ALMOST assume that this is what is happening (minus, maybe, the pre-contact part). The problem is the way things are handled post-abortion, and the fact that in general if the above was the intention it didn't come off clearly AT ALL, it's all up in the air in a way that negatively affects the characters and the overall plot.
This would deepen Weyland's motivations, and David's actions, because it would imply that they are following a plan. When David finds the vial, it could have been something he was looking for. When Weyland tells him to try harder, it could have implied David did tests with the goo that were not conclusive because not tested on a human. When he tests its content on dude-bro, it could have been part of the plan to test it on a human subject. The impregnation thing could have been purposeful in that regard. We can ALMOST assume that this is what is happening (minus, maybe, the pre-contact part). The problem is the way things are handled post-abortion, and the fact that in general if the above was the intention it didn't come off clearly AT ALL, it's all up in the air in a way that negatively affects the characters and the overall plot.
Oldschoolgamer
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Well if the ones sleeping were already in stasis, it's possible that some kind of xenomorphs stopped the pilot from starting the ship (since we're shown a whole bunch of engineers were killed by xenomorphs at some point) and couldn't get inside the statis coffin? Still a bit contrived (and it doesn't explain what happened to the other engineers who put themselves in a stasis too...)
Speeking of the xenomorphs outbreak that killed all those engineers, what happened to those? They starved to death?
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It's weird, because the control room seems clean and devoid of bodies. Just like the tomb is devoid of bodies yet we saw some jockeys running inside it, but only the head was there. The pile of body is also weird. It feels a bit like another non-xenomorph species came by and cleaned up a bit before, or at least fiddled around with the place (including piling up bodies, removing the pilot, etc).
Did humans get there before for Weyland and co., but didn't wake up the sleeping jockey on orders from Weyland? Or maybe other Space Jockeys, but then why leave the sleeping dude in there?
Plot holes again.
Angry Fork
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The more I read this thread the more annoyed I get by this movie because you guys have ideas that could've been so much better than what we got. The fact that every 'stand off' or big moment is solved within 2 minutes hurts this movie so bad. I wish someone would tell Ridley or Lindelof this and help them analyze what went wrong, although I don't know if they look at their work like that once it's done.
I can only imagine how tense shit would've been if she was having the abortion while the engineer was looking for her or banging on the door etc. something like that. Instead we just got a shove and then squid. So fucking lame. There could've been awesome parallels between Alien + Ripley and Engineer + Shaw. It feels like this movie gives people 'satisfaction' with encounters but the satisfaction means nothing because there wasn't proper build up. The engineer was fucked up by the squid, okay cool, but it means nothing because the engineer/shaw dynamic barely lasted more than 1 minute.
This movie should've had the same feeling as the basement scene in Inglourious Basterds. Just a rubber band that keeps stretching, you know something is coming, it's getting closer and closer and then POP. I'm reminded of the velicoraptors in Jurassic Park although it isn't quite the same, they spend a lot of time building up the terror and making you realize how dominating they are, and the close calls. Then at the end a huge pay off comes and you feel immense relief and satisfaction. In Prometheus every encounter is resolved within seconds it's definitely frustrating in retrospect.
bggrthnjsus
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*female expansion pack downloading
...complete
*female expansion pack installing
...installing
*squid baby born
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Want another example of something simple that would have been better?
Fifield should have come back to the ship in crazy form BEFORE Holloway got killed, not AFTER! The scene could have played out the same way, he kills some people, they end up managing to kill him. LATER Holloway would have gotten really risk, and people would have gone "Oh shit not you too!", and now everyone would have understood the risk of letting him live, even if they wanted to save him, and it would have made more sense for Holloway to ask to be killed by then.
The zombie Fifield scene should have been a precursor to the significance and tension of Holloway's infection, not a pointless scene set AFTER Holloway's death.
But she never felt the need to mention what had happened to anyone. Not a very human way to act, given the circumstances. We could argue that these scenes were just cut for time, but if so that's still a fault of the film, because it hurts our empathy with this character and our suspension of disbelief.
In the scene where they confront the engineer, David acts as though he knows what caused Holloway's infection. There's a reaction shot that seems to imply Shaw is having a moment of realization. Maybe she wasn't, but then why didn't she later ask David exactly what had happened to Holloway, since he apparently knew so much about it?
Not very human.
Like everything else in the film, it feels rushed. Surely we should see some sort of reaction to the fact that there is an extra member of the crew on board, and not only that, but it's the eccentric trillionaire Peter Weyland, and not only that, but he's not dead as he had implied? If it's a cut in the interest of time, it's a dumb one.
I assumed she had confirmed her unspoken suspicions, then, but she continued to wear her helmet while everyone else went without. Maybe it only confirmed that she didn't trust what David says one way or another.
BuckRobotron
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This felt rather straightforward to me. Shaw already suspected David was bad news before she fell "asleep" on the hospital bed, which at least for a little while she feigned to wait for an advantage to escape and remove the "10 hours ago I was with Charlie and now I'm equivalent to three-months pregnant with something David won't show me" problem.
Then to the specific moment you mentioned, it felt simply like a concrete affirmation from the near-smirking robot.
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Yeah, the look Shaw gives David when David says "It wasn't" when Shaw mentions that they don't know how Charlie got infected seemed pretty clear at very least that she knew that David knew how Charlie was infected, even if perhaps she didn't know David was directly responsible. But even then, the look was more of shock, indication that she knew he WAS responsible.
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Heck I'm pretty sure the TED talk was supposed to imply that Weyland made contact with "Prometheus" or at least got information about their existence.
This should really have been part of the movie to make more sense of his intentions as well as David's: pre-knowledge of what they were looking for on that expedition.
This should really have been part of the movie to make more sense of his intentions as well as David's: pre-knowledge of what they were looking for on that expedition.
freenudemacusers
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I have a feeling a director cut will help this film. A lot of scenes felt truncated.
So we all agree that Shaw did indeed know that David was responsible for Holloway's death.
Great. So why the hell didn't she even mention his involvement in the death of her significant other? Guess she wasn't too torn up about it after all.
Solo's right, the entire crew are robots. That's the solution to the deep mystery of Prometheus.
Great. So why the hell didn't she even mention his involvement in the death of her significant other? Guess she wasn't too torn up about it after all.
Solo's right, the entire crew are robots. That's the solution to the deep mystery of Prometheus.
Angry Fork
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I googled directors cut and 4-5 days ago Ridley said no?
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayl...there-wont-be-a-directors-cut-on-dvd-20120604
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayl...there-wont-be-a-directors-cut-on-dvd-20120604
BuckRobotron
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I saw her being upset about it but also spending a lot of time just trying to keep from bending over sick as she almost does several times post-op... plus it was only a few minutes after she fully recognized David for what he/it was that the Engineer tears David and the rest a new one. Not much prosecution to be done at that point. Just get the hell out of there.
You'd think she'd mention it when she's agreeing to take David to the other Engineer ships at the end. It's kind of a big deal. Her 'why should I trust you' is way too muted a response, and could be interpreted as only referring to his trying to keep the alien inside her. I mean, some people here were arguing that she didn't know at that point.
I dont think all the Engineers wanted to kill us. I mean it wouldnt make sense for them to somehow show major ancient civilizations where they were going, yet want to come back and clean up the planet.
And for that one guy in a robe to sacrifice himself to create the human race (at least I think thats what he was doing), maybe there were rival factions within the engineer community as a whole? Some wanted to protect mankind, while others just saw them as a failed experiment/future danger to them?
Not sure why SHaw was so gung ho to go to the Engineer's home world though. I mean sure, she has a ship full of bioweapons, but one average sized human trying to pry evidence from other lifeforms 2-3 times as big as her, let alone an entire planet of them, that just might have it in for her?
And for that one guy in a robe to sacrifice himself to create the human race (at least I think thats what he was doing), maybe there were rival factions within the engineer community as a whole? Some wanted to protect mankind, while others just saw them as a failed experiment/future danger to them?
Not sure why SHaw was so gung ho to go to the Engineer's home world though. I mean sure, she has a ship full of bioweapons, but one average sized human trying to pry evidence from other lifeforms 2-3 times as big as her, let alone an entire planet of them, that just might have it in for her?
starchild excalibur
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Anyone else think, "Fuck, I need to get in shape" when the engineer at the beginning took off his robe?
BuckRobotron
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Indeed. We agree on the incomplete nature of what happens between them after the Engineer attack. Hard not to. While she treated David as no more than a necessary evil at this point, the script should still have had a more Charlie-specific confrontation. But it still felt to me like she grudgingly--for now--moved on at this point to expedite getting off the planet...and importantly, David is essentially helpless right now anyway and can be dealt with later.
I took it as intentional. That they would try and impregnate someone, maybe even his daughter so they didnt want anyone removing the embryo.
LOL, that's how I felt after watching this movie. I mean, I enjoyed it but I kept going, "Ummmm......WHAT?"
Like when the woman woke up and smacked the lady and ran to the room to get her abortion. They didn't chase her to see where she went? I couldn't believe that.
What was worse is after she didnt even tell anyone. I mean wtf. Totally bizarre.
Saw the movie. Loved it. My interpretations:
The engineers worship the giger alien species. They serve it, for whatever reasons, either under its control, or admiration of its primal, survivalist 'perfection' (a notion echoed throughout the series).
The mural is a clear sign that the engineers worship the giger alien, and are themselves a form of evil incarnate. It's a safe bet that anything that flies a giger ship is pure evil. Their plans are basically terraformation, to spread the presence of the alien race.
The engineer in the intro is one of the few 'prometheus' figures that resist this plan, and bring humanity a warning of impending danger. This knowledge is lost over time. The protagonists misinterpret the warning as an invitation to 'meet their makers'. The entire premise of their journey is under misunderstood pretense.
The shared DNA is likely the result of inter-spcecies breeding at the time that the warning was being delivered. I don't believe the engineers actually created humanity - as there is nothing that actually supports this idea directly.
And that's basically it. The story that plays out is a series of events of characters who don't fully grasp the actuality of the situation, misled by their own convictions or assumptions.
The engineers worship the giger alien species. They serve it, for whatever reasons, either under its control, or admiration of its primal, survivalist 'perfection' (a notion echoed throughout the series).
The mural is a clear sign that the engineers worship the giger alien, and are themselves a form of evil incarnate. It's a safe bet that anything that flies a giger ship is pure evil. Their plans are basically terraformation, to spread the presence of the alien race.
The engineer in the intro is one of the few 'prometheus' figures that resist this plan, and bring humanity a warning of impending danger. This knowledge is lost over time. The protagonists misinterpret the warning as an invitation to 'meet their makers'. The entire premise of their journey is under misunderstood pretense.
The shared DNA is likely the result of inter-spcecies breeding at the time that the warning was being delivered. I don't believe the engineers actually created humanity - as there is nothing that actually supports this idea directly.
And that's basically it. The story that plays out is a series of events of characters who don't fully grasp the actuality of the situation, misled by their own convictions or assumptions.
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They do this to create life. But then when it is advanced enough they use that life as xenomorph hosts.
The engineers could basically be, like Scott said, gardeners.
Except they are the gardeners of the Xenomorphs.
The message to go to a specific star/planet/moon is so that the creatures they create will automatically end up in contact with the black goo when advanced enough.
The only question this would leave is why the jockeys, after screwing up, wanted to go back to Earth, and why it seems they were not able to and no other jockeys ever followed with the plan.
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Forget a directors cut, more footage will only do so much. A couple more Weyland or Shaw scenes aren't going to make the black goo more consistent. They won't fix the terrible banter of Fifield and Milburn, or them going from "OMG IS THE LIFEFORM MOVING?!" to "come here you cute little cobra snake thing ^_^". And they sure as hell won't fix Vickers getting crushed by a giant rolling shoehorn (if they wanted to kill her at that point, they should've had debris fall on her, there was plenty of it to go around).
This needs a sequel sans Lindeldorf and with more Giger. This movie had two gigantic cliffhangers with the xeno and the trip to the engineer homeworld. It was written with a sequel in mind.
This needs a sequel sans Lindeldorf and with more Giger. This movie had two gigantic cliffhangers with the xeno and the trip to the engineer homeworld. It was written with a sequel in mind.
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