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I asked this in an earlier page, but can we discuss the snake aliens for a minute?


Did anyone else think they would have a greater purpose? I am sure they are practical effects, which I love, but I honestly was bummed that they served such a small purpose
 
Actually, here's another question. The landing scene on the planet showed a bunch of facilities. Not just one. This is confirmed at the end when David says there are other ships. How is it that an outbreak in one ship area somehow doomed the entire planetary facility? Why was the entire place simply abandoned instead of being purged by a clean-up crew later? It's been 2000 years. Wouldn't someone care that there was still a guy alive in one of the ships?

This is a major problem with lots of scifi stories, where details are only developed to be important on the surface, and only if it is relevant to the immediate story of the now. But upon analysis it seems unconvincing when you consider the long spans of time they wanted to convey.

Long for us, maybe? For all we know the Engineers live 2000 years, or indefinitely, given their obvious prowess at genetic engineering.
 
So what's up with David viewing Shaw's dreams and seemingly only her dreams?

He's a creeper. It just makes him more interesting. I wonder if he was subconsciously developing feelings for her in some way he didn't understand, and if they influenced his decision to use her partner as his "experiment" with the black ooze thing.

Long for us, maybe? For all we know the Engineers live 2000 years, or indefinitely, given their obvious prowess at genetic engineering.

It doesn't matter how long they live. You would still want to check when some outpost doesn't check in for years. :P
 
I asked this in an earlier page, but can we discuss the snake aliens for a minute?


Did anyone else think they would have a greater purpose? I am sure they are pratical effects, which I love, but I honestly was bummed that they served such a small purpose

What about them? You're talking the one that shoved itself in the biologist's mouth? They seemed to be parasites that use the victim as a host. At least that's what I got out of it. They bleed acid when cut and regenerate right away. Were they mutated worms?

Wait, was the biologist's chest exploded?
 
I asked this in an earlier page, but can we discuss the snake aliens for a minute?


Did anyone else think they would have a greater purpose? I am sure they are practical effects, which I love, but I honestly was bummed that they served such a small purpose

I did think they would develop a bit more, but alas they were just fan service that made absolutely no sense in the grand evolution of aliens and face huggers. And yes, I loved them as well. Really good. Really brutal too. That arm breaking was the only time I was really take aback in the movie for some reason.
 
I assume everything he did until Weyland died was on Weyland's orders.

But Weyland issuing an order to view Shaw's dreams?

It'd be interesting if David acted on his own for that particular bit, like when he watches Lawrence of Arabia and changes his hair to match O'Toole's. I think some things he did of his own accord. It makes his character more interesting, that's for sure. He has to follow orders, but he can find... loopholes.
 
So they were afraid of organic lifeforms making biological weapons so they made biological weapons to kill the organic lifeforms to stop them from making biological weapons?

Or, they are afraid of other organic lifeforms creating life so they set out to destroy any civilization that does, even if it means destroying your own creation.

Maybe they want to avoid a scenario where organic life starts creating synthetic life because they know what ultimately happens? The knowledge is used to create bio weapons or other things that ultimately get lose and cause havoc to planet/s.
 
Or, they are afraid of other organic lifeforms creating life so they set out to destroy any civilization that does, even if it means destroying your own creation.

Maybe they want to avoid a scenario where organic life starts creating synthetic life because they know what ultimately happens? The knowledge is used to create bio weapons or other things that ultimately get lose and cause havoc to planet/s.

They Have a Plan!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHD1uPVkyk0&feature=youtube_gdata
 
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Wish this made it in :/
 
What about them? You're talking the one that shoved itself in the biologist's mouth? They seemed to be parasites that use the victim as a host. At least that's what I got out of it. They bleed acid when cut and regenerate right away. Were they mutated worms?

Wait, was the biologist's chest exploded?

His chest wasn't burst open. When the team goes back to find the two guys, they don't find one, but the other is still there with the worm taking refuge in his face. when they get closer it just jumps out at them and just disappears in the goo. (Hopefully to evolve a bit more)
 
Actually, here's another question. The landing scene on the planet showed a bunch of facilities. Not just one. This is confirmed at the end when David says there are other ships. How is it that an outbreak in one ship area somehow doomed the entire planetary facility? Why was the entire place simply abandoned instead of being purged by a clean-up crew later? It's been 2000 years. Wouldn't someone care that there was still a guy alive in one of the ships?

This is a major problem with lots of scifi stories, where details are only developed to be important on the surface, and only if it is relevant to the immediate story of the now. But upon analysis it seems unconvincing when you consider the long spans of time they wanted to convey.

Maybe all the facilities weren't staffed? There were a lot of bodies in the facility they visited, perhaps they were all working in that facility and were killed by a proto - whatever.
 
What about them? You're talking the one that shoved itself in the biologist's mouth? They seemed to be parasites that use the victim as a host. At least that's what I got out of it. They bleed acid when cut and regenerate right away. Were they mutated worms?

Wait, was the biologist's chest exploded?


I did think they would develop a bit more, but alas they were just fan service that made absolutely no sense in the grand evolution of aliens and face huggers. And yes, I loved them as well. Really good. Really brutal too. That arm breaking was the only time I was really take aback in the movie for some reason.

It just seemed like they built these things to have a similar color, somewhat similar behavior, and even the same sexual tones as the original faceuggers. I genuinely thought they were going to be a key component in the first Alien we see.

This confused me so much. I need to watch it again


Edit: on top of that, I need to gripe a bit about all the pointless teeth/ flanges on that massive squid face hugger. They should have used these snake things instead, or at least maintained the look of the squid when it is born.
 
Maybe all the facilities weren't staffed? There were a lot of bodies in the facility they visited, perhaps they were all working in that facility and were killed by a proto - whatever.

Can you think of any good reason how such a situation could exist for thousands of years in a logical way without saying things like "we're not meant to understand their ways" or "it's mysterious because it is meant to be this way" and so on? Because that's sort of my point. A lot of it is just strange and mysterious for the sake of being that, instead of serving a narrative which feels concise and as intelligent as it wants to pretend it is.
 
Friend still hasn't seen the movie yet. Looking for a spoiler free summary of why people didn't enjoy the film. I liked it quite a lot, sooooo...
 
It just seemed like they built these things to have a similar color, somewhat similar behavior, and even the same sexual tones as the original faceuggers. I genuinely thought they were going to be a key component in the first Alien we see.

This confused me so much. I need to watch it again


Edit: on top of that, I need to gripe a bit about all the pointless teeth/ flanges on that massive squid face hugger. They should have used these snake things instead, or at least maintained the look of the squid when it is born.

Maybe the squid and the worms get it on in he sequel and give birth to glorious facehuggers. Last I checked the squid wasn't exactly dead was it?
 
DEVASTATED when Logan Marshall-Green was alienified. My eyes enjoyed every second of him. *.*
Knew you'd share my sentiments Koodo. Taste in men, unsurpassed.

Going to see this again tomorrow - interested to see how it holds up on a second viewing.
 
No, I'm talking about them leaving the star map in past civilizations. It makes no sense.

If I recall correctly, the oldest star-map was left 30,000 years ago in the British Isles. They obviously didn't want to destroy the human race back then, it was a decision they came to at a later date. Most likely, the site wouldn't have been a death-trap of dangerous bioweapons and terraforming shit had they not intended to kill us 2000 years ago. We would have eventually found our way there, and there would have been living Engineers to greet us.

The larger questions are about why they changed their minds, why they wanted to destroy in the first place, and why they didn't clean their fucking mess up. They need only activate the same ship after everything on-board was dead (wait 6 months until all the monsters starve to death?) and the mission could have been completed. Unless there was literally a civilization wide cataclysm that took place, there would have been others out there who knew about the mission, and could have continued it with only a slight delay. That's assuming they don't have other weapon stockpiles laying about to send in its stead, and different ways to engineer an apocalypse.

As I stated previously, we don't have to assume that all decisions were made by a unitary alien government that controls all the engineers. They can have private initiatives too, they can have multiple independent political bodies too, they can have individuals acting on their own too. This applies both for the creation of humans on Earth and also the destruction. One of those things, or both, could have been the actions of governments, individuals or private enterprise on the part of the aliens. The same aliens who made us aren't necessarily the same that wanted to destoy us, and so on.

The fact that they never bothered to "clean up" the site to get rid of the dangerous stuff lying about points towards either that base being secretive (only the people that lived there knew about it), or there was an aforementioned cataclysm that destroyed much or all of the space-jockey civilization.
 
Can you think of any good reason how such a situation could exist for thousands of years in a logical way without saying things like "we're not meant to understand their ways" or "it's mysterious because it is meant to be this way" and so on? Because that's sort of my point. A lot of it is just strange and mysterious for the sake of being that, instead of serving a narrative which feels concise and as intelligent as it wants to pretend it is.

The Engineers abandoned the facility completely after it was compromised. They decided the place was so contaminated they simply abandoned did not attempt a rescue, and left it a tomb. Their Chernobyl.
 
Maybe the squid and the worms get it on in he sequel and give birth to glorious facehuggers. Last I checked the squid wasn't exactly dead was it?

The squid was the first generation or proto-facehugger. I guess they evolved to become the smaller type seen in Alien.

Either that OR the Alien facehuggers are off the same species but different kind.


If I recall correctly, the oldest star-map was left 30,000 years ago in the British Isles. They obviously didn't want to destroy the human race back then, it was a decision they came to at a later date. Most likely, the site wouldn't have been a death-trap of dangerous bioweapons and terraforming shit had they not intended to kill us 2000 years ago. We would have eventually found our way there, and there would have been living Engineers to greet us.

The larger questions are about why they changed their minds, why they wanted to destroy in the first place, and why they didn't clean their fucking mess up. They need only activate the same ship after everything on-board was dead (wait 6 months until all the monsters starve to death?) and the mission could have been completed. Unless there was literally a civilization wide cataclysm that took place, there would have been others out there who knew about the mission, and could have continued it with only a slight delay. That's assuming they don't have other weapon stockpiles laying about to send in its stead, and different ways to engineer an apocalypse.

As I stated previously, we don't have to assume that all decisions were made by a unitary alien government that controls all the engineers. They can have private initiatives too, they can have multiple independent political bodies too, they can have individuals acting on their own too. This applies both for the creation of humans on Earth and also the destruction. One of those things, or both, could have been the actions of governments, individuals or private enterprise on the part of the aliens. The same aliens who made us aren't necessarily the same that wanted to destoy us, and so on.

The fact that they never bothered to "clean up" the site to get rid of the dangerous stuff lying about points towards either that base being secretive (only the people that lived their knew about it), or there was an aforementioned cataclysm that destroyed much or all of the space-jockey civilization.

Also when is the sleeping one in the film supposed to wake up?
 
Woah. This thread got big. Did someone uncover some stuff that helped explain all the stuff that doesn't make sense?

So then, what exactly was Weyland after? I thought his leap in logic that led him to believe the Engineers could provide some sort of everlasting life was completely jarring and stupid. I'm pleased he got his head smashed in.
 
Woah. This thread got big. Did someone uncover some stuff that helped explain all the stuff that doesn't make sense?

So then, what exactly was Weyland after? I thought his leap in logic that led him to believe the Engineers could provide some sort of everlasting life was completely jarring and stupid. I'm pleased he got his head smashed in.

Better bet would've been to just stay frozen for a few more centuries.
 
The Engineers abandoned the facility completely after it was compromised. They decided the place was so contaminated they simply abandoned did not attempt a rescue, and left it a tomb. Their Chernobyl.

If they felt it was so dangerous, they would have returned to destroy it, or at least sealed it off better. Neither is the case here. But I'm sure you're right. The poor motivations of the Enginners would line up with the poor writing for all the other characters in the movie in general.
 
The squid was the first generation or proto-facehugger. I guess they evolved to become the smaller type seen in Alien.

Either that OR the Alien facehuggers are off the same species but different kind.

That snake probably burrowed into the dudes arm and broke off. The fingers became elongated and thats our face hugger.


That gargantuan thing is so weird
 
Speaking of David, when his head gets ripped off and whenever they return to him talking, his neck just throws me off horribly. So due to this... 2/5 overall for the film.
 
That snake probably burrowed into the dudes arm and broke off. The fingers became elongated and thats our face hugger

The snake borrowed into the guy's suit from the hole in his elbow after breaking his arm off. It then went into his helmet and got into his mouth. Later when they found the body, the snake came out of the mouth and disappeared back into the chamber.
 
The squid was the first generation or proto-facehugger. I guess they evolved to become the smaller type seen in Alien.

Either that OR the Alien facehuggers are off the same species but different kind.

I think it's just a general lifecycle of goop -> infection -> facehugger -> xenomorph. With Geiger's original ideas about the xenomorph taking on characteristics of its host (both infected and facehugged).

The snakes came from the worms in the tomb (there was a shot of worms scurrying around under their shoes). The squid facehugger in Shaw's womb came from the infection of douchey mcscientist.

The odd thing out in all this is the zombie/Incredible Hulk guy, really. I feel like that was completely out of place.
 
The snake borrowed into the guy's suit from the hole in his elbow after breaking his arm off. It then went into his helmet and got into his mouth. Later when they found the body, the snake came out of the mouth and disappeared back into the chamber.

I bet it came back for the arm and a DNA snack when the explorers left
 
That was such a stupid moment, made all the worse by the characters' playful banter. The whole scene felt like a joke.

Yeah, it was hard to take it seriously. Can't believe there wasn't a better take to choose from.

Incredible. I adored the tension. But I think a lot of the lustre wears off once you realize that the movie doesn't really care about that scene at all. After she saves herself, the movie brushes it off and abruptly moves to the next plot point.

That's a bigger problem with the movie in general though. Threats and dangerous situations develop and are quickly disposed of the moment they come up. Zombie Fifeld, the c-section, Holloway's infection, the Engineer ship heading for earth. Almost every single one of those strands are wrapped up minutes after they're introduced. There's no build-up so it's hard to feel any catharsis for when they're eventually resolved.
 
I think it's just a general lifecycle of goop -> infection -> facehugger -> xenomorph. With Geiger's original ideas about the xenomorph taking on characteristics of its host (both infected and facehugged).

The snakes came from the worms in the tomb (there was a shot of worms scurrying around under their shoes). The squid facehugger in Shaw's womb came from the infection of douchey mcscientist.

The odd thing out in all this is the zombie/Incredible Hulk guy, really. I feel like that was completely out of place.

I just had a thought about something. Could it be possible that the squid-thing came out of Shaw's womb instead of a more humanoid form because of her infertility? That's the only explanation I can think of because otherwise, it's pretty weird that if it takes on properties of the hosts, a squid thing would come out of a human womb.
 
I just had a thought about something. Could it be possible that the squid-thing came out of Shaw's womb instead of a more humanoid form because of her infertility? That's the only explanation I can think of because otherwise, it's pretty weird that if it takes on properties of the hosts, a squid thing would come out of a human womb.

Someone at least sort of suggested that it was basically just a giant sperm cell. I kind of like that idea, as insane as it is.
 
The Engineers abandoned the facility completely after it was compromised. They decided the place was so contaminated they simply abandoned did not attempt a rescue, and left it a tomb. Their Chernobyl.

That would be a better analogy if Chernobyl was stocked full of active, self-replciating WMDs on hair-triggers and they had previously sent out invitations to a party that would take place at Chernobyl to a third world country, an invitation they forgot to cancel. And Chernobyl was on an isolated island far away from the USSR's contiguous territory.
 
I just had a thought about something. Could it be possible that the squid-thing came out of Shaw's womb instead of a more humanoid form because of her infertility? That's the only explanation I can think of because otherwise, it's pretty weird that if it takes on properties of the hosts, a squid thing would come out of a human womb.

Wow, didn't think of this. This clears up a question I was about to ask here.

Pregnancy was an odd word to describe a human giving birth to a cephalopod
 
I just had a thought about something. Could it be possible that the squid-thing came out of Shaw's womb instead of a more humanoid form because of her infertility? That's the only explanation I can think of because otherwise, it's pretty weird that if it takes on properties of the hosts, a squid thing would come out of a human womb.

I didn't get how something that could be transmitted via sexual intercourse wouldn't just completely infect her in the same way that it infected Holloway. Unless it has already manifested itself as a worm and arrived inside Shaw as something akin to a parasite.
 
Someone at least sort of suggested that it was basically just a giant sperm cell. I kind of like that idea, as insane as it is.

Hey, now that you mention that, when it first came out of her, it WAS a giant sperm thing, with a single tail. Then the tail split open into tentacles right? That was pretty fucking cool actually.
 
I just had a thought about something. Could it be possible that the squid-thing came out of Shaw's womb instead of a more humanoid form because of her infertility? That's the only explanation I can think of because otherwise, it's pretty weird that if it takes on properties of the hosts, a squid thing would come out of a human womb.

Aren't we all just squids at the end of the day? Or the one dude is like.. 1/16 squid.

The black goo is probably the problem and will probably be the answer to most questions asked about why "so and so is a certain way when it came out".
 
There's absolutely nothing to support it other than assumptions and interpretations, which seems to not be an intentional part of the script, but kind of a side effect.

I feel like this is the case for virtually everything people are saying in their attempts at forcing the script to make sense.

How does everyone feel about the C-section scene?

I'd say it's the only sequence I care to ever watch again. Of course, her getting up and running around the ship again was pretty ridiculous.

Incredible. I adored the tension. But I think a lot of the lustre wears off once you realize that the movie doesn't really care about that scene at all. After she saves herself, the movie brushes it off and abruptly moves to the next plot point.

But taken out of context, the scene is marvelous, imo.

Agreed.
 

Heh, it is a rip but it's a somewhat plausible theory. I think we're focusing too much on the dates or what the engineer does after he wakes up. There's nothing prior to his waking up that suggests they had plans to kill humans.Even after he wakes up, he doesn't seem hostile until after he touches David and realizes he's synthetic.

Although the delay in attacking could be contributing to his being asleep for 2000 years.

As for the ship, it could just be that the ship we see is a war ship/a more advanced seed ship to the saucer one we see at the beginning of the movie.

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Wish this made it in :/

Where is this from? Are there any more scenes like this that didn't make it into the movie?

Can you think of any good reason how such a situation could exist for thousands of years in a logical way without saying things like "we're not meant to understand their ways" or "it's mysterious because it is meant to be this way" and so on? Because that's sort of my point. A lot of it is just strange and mysterious for the sake of being that, instead of serving a narrative which feels concise and as intelligent as it wants to pretend it is.

It could be they deserted the facility after the outbreak? Maybe they decided to abandon the planet and all those were left alive as the outbreak was too severe for them to try and contain?

Yanek says pretty much the same thing to Shaw, they were creating weapons (in his opinion) of mass destruction on a random planet, it makes sense that they would cut their losses and run if anything like an outbreak were to happen.

I think that's why we got that scene at the beginning, we're not supposed to view the goo as a weapon, it's a synthetic way of seeding life but it mutates into something that could be used as a weapon if it's not used in the correct way?
 
There are way too many pages in here, so it's probably been discussed before, but what are the current thoughts on the xenomorph altar in the vase chamber, and what was that thing on it?
 
How does everyone feel about the C-section scene?

One of my favorite scenes of the movie, it easily had the most tension.

Felt like it fit with the tone of Alien. That, and the dust storm reminding me of LV-426. Most of the ruins exploration felt more in tune with AvP's exploration of the Predator temple.

My only gripe with the C-section scene is the design of the squid baby. I was hoping for something a little more Giger-inspired, even if it wasn't a chestburster.

I think the sound of the squid thumping against the medpod's glass was one of my most nerve-wracking moments. Very creepy.
 
There are way too many pages in here, so it's probably been discussed before, but what are the current thoughts on the xenomorph altar in the vase chamber, and what was that thing on it?

Was going to ask this.

What was that green ruby thing on the table? I took my glasses off at this scene, so I might have not been seeing things


the xeno sculpture proves they have seen the first alien form before, and given the head shape, have seen an engineer die from it
 
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