The that really jumps out at me is Shaw's closing line during the mission briefing. She was asked what proof she had. The logical answer was, "That's what we're here to find out." Instead she drops the blind faith line, at the start of a scientific mission. It made no sense.
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The that really jumps out at me is Shaw's closing line during the mission briefing. She was asked what proof she had. The logical answer was, "That's what we're here to find out." Instead she drops the blind faith line, at the start of a scientific mission. It made no sense.
That's.... very well put actually.
FreedomFrisbee
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Just gonna point out that Blade Runner opened to mixed reviews, and is only now regarded as great because of the general effect it had on Sci-Fi. A lot of people in this thread have seen striking parallels between Prometheus and Blade Runner.
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Blade Runner was good, but depending on which cut you watch it could be AWESOME or just good.
Shaw's dad.
Blade Runner and Alien had things about them that had never been seen before. This entire movie telegraphed itself. The kraken form LOTR even showed up. I doubt it'll have much of an impact on Sci-Fi
NathanMcMahon
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It's almost poetic that this movie maintains the disappointment that 3 and 4 generates as opposed to being on the same level as 1 and 2. Maybe the franchise should be put to rest. Of course Fox, in all of its infinite wisdom will keep shitting all over their beloved child. Can't wait for AvP 3...
Scifi has moved on and grown since Blade Runner or the original Alien for that matter. I don't see how Prometheus covers any new ground in scifi or does anything unique in the genre. I don't think it will have the same impact as Blade Runner had after its initial release period.
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symphonask
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Yeah, if anything, my main problem with the film is the dialogue. Some of it comes off as forced. That faith line you mentioned and Vickers dramatic 'Father' line come to mind. Then again we have some great exchanges like the one between David and Holloway before David spikes his drink.
Also, the editing felt off. Like scenes were shortened, and the movie just generally feeling rushed. I really hope we get a director's cut on home release.
Antiochus
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It is still scarcely believable that as recently as 2-3 months ago, considering the pedigree, anticipation, and promotional campaigns, if anyone had suggested that not only the Avengers will massively outgross Prometheus, but that it will do so with a 20% tomameter advantage in addition to near unanimous audience favorability, that person would have been laughed out of the room.
YES YES YES
I also thought the ship's captain popping into the scientists room and somehow explaining the back-story of the planet was like... WUT? HOW DOES HE KNOW THAT?
I liked the captain though.
I bet a director's cut would help.
naw, I thought it was a gfiven that avengers would make bank. I was suprised that people were lined out of the door for today's matinee
Now the critical and audeince acclaim on the other hand...
Sub_Level
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Because it's a dumb movie.
"What is this, martian piss?!"
"I just got an abortion and there's a foreign body in the ship but I'm not actually going to mention it."
"I'm black goo. If you fall into a puddle of me, I make you crazy. If you drink me, I decompose you and put worms in your eyelids. If you drink me and have sex with someone, I impregnate them with a squid."
"I'm a xenomorph. The engineers have seemingly seen me before as there is a giant mural of me in the urn room, but in order to create me you seemingly need to...impregnate a human being with a squid and have the squid impregnate an engineer...???"
"I love rocks. I really love rocks! Clearly you DON'T love rocks!"
"Okay, you have a 3D map of the area, you didn't go that far inside the area, and you left before everybody else but the two of you are totally gonna get lost. It's not like your captain will help you either, who also has a 3D map."
That fucking scene where that dude yells like a wolf or coyote or whatever. I don't even know, it was terribly dumb.
Alien and Aliens were good movies for many reasons, one of which being that even though the characters did dumb stuff (especially in the first movie whenever they SPLIT UP HURR DURR), they were pretty competent overall. They were scared and had to improvise and came up with different plans. Nobody in those two movies would try and pet a giant hissing alien cobra that's clearly hostile. The closest thing is Kane looking inside the egg, but an egg is pretty neutral as far as potential hostility is concerned.
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayl...there-wont-be-a-directors-cut-on-dvd-20120604
Ridley Scott Admits He Cut 'Prometheus' For Ratings, But Says There Won't Be A Director's Cut On DVD
weep with me.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I don't think those exchanges were good, unless Holloway is supposed to be seen by the audience as an unlikeable egotistical religious fanatic.
The way he talks with David, people probably wanted him to die. When David asks "Why did your kind create me?" "Because we could?" is a terribly stupid response from a scientist, which sounded like the equivalent of "Poison me please.".
Holloway was not likeable.
I highly doubt it.
Ancient Aliens colliding with The Bible colliding with the Alien franchise just creates a multiple pile-up no matter which way you cut it.
As long as there is a scene where David cuts everybody's IQ in half during stasis. That would probably explain a lot of the stupidity.
I agree with this guy.
They were panicking is the best explanation you can hope to get.
Oldschoolgamer
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Well, this thread has made me watch Sunshine for the first time. That movie is gdlk.
If there's one thing Prometheus has done, it's make me appreciate Sunshine more. 3rd act and all.
Has anyone yet suggested that perhaps Earth wasn't the only planet "seeded".... and that perhaps we weren't the first to visit that planet? That perhaps it was another of their "children" that led to the disaster at the facility?
I know that Scott has said that it's not necessarily Earth depicted in that opening scene (he also says it doesn't matter, which undermines my theory).
I know that Scott has said that it's not necessarily Earth depicted in that opening scene (he also says it doesn't matter, which undermines my theory).
Joe Shlabotnik
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It could clear up some editing and pacing issues and maybe fill in the nitpickier plot holes, but I don't think it will make the movie fundamentally more interesting.
But hoping for a director's cut is silly, anyway. What we got is what we got, and should be judged on its own merits.
Antiochus
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As an addendum, can anyone believe the general expectation some months ago that Prometheus will at minimum be a smarter, tighter, and generally more cohesively executed piece than the Avengers with its sprawling cast of type A superheroes of various shapes and sizes?
CartridgeBlower
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That Elba scene where he was like "It's a military instillation and here's all this other exposition that we screwed up relaying to the audience so I'll just spout it all off here!" REEKED OF BEING A RE-SHOOT. I'm almost positive that's what it was. Hence the huge exposition dump. "Uh, Ridley, the audience cards tell us they have no idea what's going on...ever..."
symphonask
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Holloway is not likeable, film makes that obvious. He's a bit of a yahoo. And he treats David like an object, because to him, he literally is one. Plus he was drunk.
I still thought that exchange was great. 'Because we could' is not a satisfactory answer but it may be the answer to the origins of human life. David was just pointing this out to Holloway.
"I haven't seen life on this planet and suddenly there's a weird looking snake creature staring at me. Let's talk to it like a kitten and try to pet it."
"Let's go explore this unknown structure with our helmets off. We'll even keep calling it a pyramid without remembering that various Egyptian sites had toxic air."
"We've come many light years on a scientific expedition looking for specific evidence of our creators. Let's cruise around the mountains and stare out the cockpit window for anything interesting."
"I'm pouting because I can't literally ask my creator what the meaning of my life is."
Thats some horse shit and i dont believe it for one minute. Hes going to release a theatrical cut only then double dip 6 months later.
David very eloquently pointed out why I didn't give a shit about the plight of the main characters to literally question an Engineer about their existence. Stupid insecure religious fanatics.
Zoramon089
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Uhh, because he's basically staring at the hologram all day and into the late hours of the night! Why is everyone always surprised by this? He was the first person to notice signs of life. He was the last living person to see the dead aliens with their chests burst open. He noticed the structure was concealing a ship. Why is him putting everything together such a leap in logic? He's not an idiot. He just took a hands off approach to all the exploration stuff but it was clear he thought more about things than he let on
Again how do we know that the SJs set a course for Earth 2,000 years ago. What information in the movie tells is that? If I recall correctly, the movie merely speculated that they died due to some accident 2,000 years ago but it does not indicate that they were heading to Earth.
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Hologram showed Earth, so either they were sending a message back to Earth, or were going back to Earth. And at the end Shaw says the dude is going back to Earth.
What I don't understand about movies like this is, how do the people involved not SEE what the audience sees? How are they not able to identify the problem areas and then attempt to correct them? Aren't movies focus tested out the ass? Aren't rewrites and reshoots/pick ups done to clarify certain scenes or information? Don't screenwriters go through several drafts on a big budget picture like this?
How do you spend years making a movie and become blinded to its very obvious faults, especially a filmmaker who has been in the game as long as Ridley has?
How do you spend years making a movie and become blinded to its very obvious faults, especially a filmmaker who has been in the game as long as Ridley has?
Indeed, it's the wasted opportunity here that is the most crushing thing.
But like Shaw it was flawed from conception.
CartridgeBlower
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It's a 'yes, man' problem.
FOX badly wants him to make an Alien prequel, hence all the buzz. They will not say no to an idea he has because they want him to make it.
Lindeloff says yes to everything Scott wanted. He literally said he just transcribed what Scott wanted, without questioning much if any of it. Read the interviews, he admits this.
Certainly none of the actors on set would question the great Ridley Scott. He is the director at that point, playing God.
So it's all from him. His ideas. No one telling him no for fear he'll either a) fire them or b) decide it's not worth his trouble and stop making the film.
This film falls on Scott's shoulders. Lindeloff is a hack, that's confirmed after watching this film. But Scott could have done anything he wanted...and he chose this.
He was "the engineer."
Net_Wrecker
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I really hope Scott gets to do a sequel like he says he wants to. At least the overarching plot can be saved and retroactively make this one a little bit better.
Unless they mess it up some more....
Oh God...
Unless they mess it up some more....
Oh God...
Messypandas
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Yeah tbh that scene came out of nowhere, and somehow he had all the facts about this place having not really done anything up to that point
Aquavelvaman
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I don't really like the whole Jesus-was-a-space-jockey idea so I'm not going to think about it. Most of the theories that go down that line of thinking make me cringe but I wouldn't put it past them.
I really think the crab-man hulkout was just 1% off from being super awesome. It seems like a lot of people here (and me) thought that it was Holloway after being burned up. It's way cooler to know that it was the other dude who crab walked all the way back to the ship and then freaked out but the film didn't really make that obvious. That scene would have been so awesome if they had played it up just a little bit more. Instead it was like 'what's that oh it's a guy oh he's fighting people'.
It's really amazing how awesome a lot of the action was but how little impact it had for me. The encounter between the engineer and the squid should have been so cool, but by that point in the movie I was just like 'okay whatever'. I want to see the movie again but the whole thing is such a missed opportunity. Even though they say they won't, I really think we need an extended/directors cut that has the runtime to execute just a touch better.
I really think the crab-man hulkout was just 1% off from being super awesome. It seems like a lot of people here (and me) thought that it was Holloway after being burned up. It's way cooler to know that it was the other dude who crab walked all the way back to the ship and then freaked out but the film didn't really make that obvious. That scene would have been so awesome if they had played it up just a little bit more. Instead it was like 'what's that oh it's a guy oh he's fighting people'.
It's really amazing how awesome a lot of the action was but how little impact it had for me. The encounter between the engineer and the squid should have been so cool, but by that point in the movie I was just like 'okay whatever'. I want to see the movie again but the whole thing is such a missed opportunity. Even though they say they won't, I really think we need an extended/directors cut that has the runtime to execute just a touch better.
Even that scene is easily fixable by having Idris Elba stating that he thought it was an installation based on what he's seen, rather than making definitive statements about what the installation actually is. I mean, he could have just had a conversation with her about how bad shit has gone and how maybe they should all just go the fuck home and never should have went there.
Of course Shaw, being naturally curious, would want to plug along but the scene was so easy to rewrite in such a way that it delivered some explanation about what they found without Elba seeming so certain. Meanwhile, Elba's two co-pilots are hanging out making bets and joking around while almost half the crew has died. Fucking stupid ass movie.
FullMetalx
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Just saw the movie in IMAX! I really enjoyed the film. I brought some cousins along who never watched Alien, and they claimed it was best movie of the year so far. My brother went so far into saying it was even more entertaining than Alien.
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