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[Pinzer]

One of the best things about this experience was how many questions it left up to the viewer. I guarantee a lot of this was meant for us to think about after the fact, given the movie puts us in the same shoes as the characters almost the entire ride. We only knew what they knew.

Except the characters do a TERRIBLE job of trying to find answers to these questions, especially for so-called scientists.

 

[linkboy]

These pictures, these theories, these comparisons...

So crazy I can't even finish my sent

You people are losing me. Space Jesus, tombs, xenomorphs copying space suits, black goo, FLUTES

FLUTES

Here's my take on the whole Jesus thing.

We know from the paintings that the Engineers were looking after us and would check in on our progress from time to time.

They came down to check on us, the Romans flipped out and killed one of them (crucified him).

Obviously, that's going to royally piss the rest of the Engineers off, and would be a damn good reason for them wanting us dead.

As for tying it into Jesus, a myth was written about him and is spread from there.

 

[MattKeil]

So the Space Jockey was our protagonist right? She stole a ship with a more evolved version of Xenomorphs on board and crashed or landed wherever wearing the space suit.
Nostromo finds her on that desolate planet where she died?

Nope. The ship in Alien and the Space Jockey there are unrelated to Prometheus outside of being part of the same universe. The events of Prometheus simply indicate that the xenomorph of the Alien films is a likely/inevitable outcome of the weapon the Engineers were developing to wipe out humanity. The ship in Alien was another branch of the project, which evidently crash-landed on its way to kill us all.

Spoiler

Alternately you could just ignore this awful movie and leave Alien untarnished by the jet-stupid implications of Prometheus.

Sunshine is a much better film than Prometheus. It looks better, has a better story coupled with a better script, and has a far superior 3rd act.

While I will agree that Sunshine is better than Prometheus, which is certainly damning with faint praise, almost every film ever made has a better third act than Sunshine. The last third of Sunshine is one of the most spectacular crash-and-burn disasters I have ever seen in a movie. Prometheus hovered at a nice steady level of awful all the way through.

Here's my take on the whole Jesus thing.

We know from the paintings that the Engineers were looking after us and would check in on our progress from time to time.

They came down to check on us, the Romans flipped out and killed one of them (crucified him).

Obviously, that's going to royally piss the rest of the Engineers off, and would be a damn good reason for them wanting us dead.

As for tying it into Jesus, a myth was written about him and is spread from there.

No need to do such mental gymnastics when it's so simply laid out in the first place. The film clearly implies that Jesus was, in fact, an Engineer or a direct emissary of the Engineers. Christian imagery is all through the film from beginning to end, and Scott has even said it was the original idea behind the thematic choice.

 

[Horse Detective]

Those diagrams are very close to perfect, but I still think the sludge will affect anything organic.

 

[dustytruly]

That's pretty neat.



David is such a wonderful character. Fassbender played him beautifully.

i could not say this enough, whenever i mention prometheus irl i HAVE to give props to fassbender and his character in this movie

also i think that he was obviously plotting something with weyland, whether it was that he should infect holloway or not, or whether he had any clue as to what would happen or not seems to just go unsaid.

i did see their conversation as an invitation from holloway to get infected, but i was more wondering the motive behind it. with david being a robot i don't believe he's capable of wanting to kill holloway of his own free will, so i'm thinking that weyland had told him that the crew was expendable and that experimenting is just a means to figuring out what they were dealing with, exactly, if it was something that would benefit them.

 

[Erigu]

Based on movie-writing principle.

Sure, but we do agree it's far-fetched in this case though, right? Like for Janek's explanations regarding the moon's purpose, the characters had very little to base that conclusion on...

- "They are Bio weapons!" fact. (confirmed by Ridley)

Then again, I remember an interview (with Scott? Lindelof? can't find it at the moment) where they're a lot less affirmative and point out that Janek might have been wrong (d'oh!)...
EDIT: Found it:

Damon Lindelof: Now we see that that lots of this is headed to Earth. Now, you used the word “weapon” – you’re extrapolating that based on the theory Janek [Idris Elba] has, because it looks like a payload to him; all these ships are loaded with this stuff, and they’re headed for Earth. The intent has to be to wipe us out, or is it to evolve us, or is it for something else?

What a mess this movie is...

 

[Canuck76]

One of the best things about this experience was how many questions it left up to the viewer. I guarantee a lot of this was meant for us to think about after the fact, given the movie puts us in the same shoes as the characters almost the entire ride. We only knew what they knew.

At what point does that just get sloppy as hell and completely unsatisfying?

I mentioned 2001 earlier as a movie that's fun to speculate about. It has questions but not holes in the logic and editing that people have to piece together and see if it's even consistent.

I really do wonder if Scott has a frigging prometheus bible with all this crap in it or just made it this interpretive because it's all he's got.

 

[.GqueB.]

One of the best things about this experience was how many questions it left up to the viewer. I guarantee a lot of this was meant for us to think about after the fact, given the movie puts us in the same shoes as the characters almost the entire ride. We only knew what they knew.

That's not true. We knew substantially more than they did, which is why we're trying to figure out how it all relates to the alien movie.

 

[linkboy]

i could not say this enough, whenever i mention prometheus irl i HAVE to give props to fassbender and his character in this movie

also i think that he was obviously plotting something with weyland, whether it was that he should infect holloway or not, or whether he had any clue as to what would happen or not seems to just go unsaid.

i did see their conversation as an invitation from holloway to get infected, but i was more wondering the motive behind it. with david being a robot i don't believe he's capable of wanting to kill holloway of his own free will, so i'm thinking that weyland had told him that the crew was expendable and that experimenting is just a means to figuring out what they were dealing with, exactly, if it was something that would benefit them.

It wouldn't be the first time that Weyland (or Weyland Corp) has put their needs above the safety of the crew (hell, they've done it in damn near every movie).

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

i could not say this enough, whenever i mention prometheus irl i HAVE to give props to fassbender and his character in this movie

also i think that he was obviously plotting something with weyland, whether it was that he should infect holloway or not, or whether he had any clue as to what would happen or not seems to just go unsaid.

i did see their conversation as an invitation from holloway to get infected, but i was more wondering the motive behind it. with david being a robot i don't believe he's capable of wanting to kill holloway of his own free will, so i'm thinking that weyland had told him that the crew was expendable and that experimenting is just a means to figuring out what they were dealing with, exactly, if it was something that would benefit them.

Yeah, I think David has to do what Weyland says, even to the extremes, even if he doesn't like it. He could have easily cut the squid thing out of Shaw (and sort of seemed to have sympathy, if no tact), but decided to stasis her until they got back to Earth. I mean, Shaw cut that thing out herself while doped on painkillers and adrenaline while being scared shitless. Without Weyland, David is free, so I'm really curious as to what he will do now (if he gets his head stitched back on). The most villainous person, I think, was Peter Weyland. Vickers was rational, Janek was heroic, Shaw was curious, and when the shit hit the fan, they knew better. It was Weyland who seems to consider everyone expendable and wants immortality.

In fact, Shaw and David's relationship is pretty interesting on its own. Where do those two go from here and where do they stand? Will Shaw humanize David? Will he remain the same? Will they stay enemies bound together by the desire to survive? David does seem pretty... impressed by Shaw.

 

[Staccat0]

Nope. The ship in Alien and the Space Jockey there are unrelated to Prometheus outside of being part of the same universe. The events of Prometheus simply indicate that the xenomorph of the Alien films is a likely/inevitable outcome of the weapon the Engineers were developing to wipe out humanity. The ship in Alien was another branch of the project, which evidently crash-landed on its way to kill us all.

Spoiler

Alternately you could just ignore this awful movie and leave Alien untarnished by the jet-stupid implications of Prometheus.

Sure.

While I will agree that Sunshine is better than Prometheus, which is certainly damning with faint praise, almost every film ever made has a better third act than Sunshine. The last third of Sunshine is one of the most spectacular crash-and-burn disasters I have ever seen in a movie. Prometheus hovered at a nice steady level of awful all the way through.

Fuck yes. It was a damn fine film before that shit.

No need to do such mental gymnastics when it's so simply laid out in the first place. The film clearly implies that Jesus was, in fact, an Engineer or a direct emissary of the Engineers. Christian imagery is all through the film from beginning to end, and Scott has even said it was the original idea behind the thematic choice.

clearly?

Without meta-textual info, why would you say this?

 

[linkboy]

Yeah, I think David has to do what Weyland says, even to the extremes, even if he doesn't like it. He could have easily cut the squid thing out of Shaw (and sort of seemed to have sympathy, if no tact), but decided to stasis her until they got back to Earth. I mean, Shaw cut that thing out herself while doped on painkillers and adrenaline while being scared shitless. Without Weyland, David is free, so I'm really curious as to what he will do now (if he gets his head stitched back on).

In fact, Shaw and David's relationship is pretty interesting on its own. Where do those two go from here and where do they stand? Will Shaw humanize David? Will he remain the same? Will they stay enemies bound together by the desire to survive? David does seem pretty... impressed by Shaw.

If David's smart, he won't tell Shaw that he's responsible for Holloway's death and her pregnancy.

 

[Horse Detective]

I think it should be rather clear, what is happening to this man. Nsfw? Let me know.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

If David's smart, he won't tell Shaw that he's responsible for Holloway's death and her pregnancy.

I think she knows. She asks about the air near the ending, saying Charlie was infected, but David tells her he wasn't infected by air.

The pregnancy was out of David's control. Unforeseen consequences, which is probably why Weyland wanted her in cryo-stasis to be studied back on Earth. I think Shaw knows that David is responsible, especially given how he acts throughout their trip.

But will she care that he was responsible? Could go either way. One way or another, they need each other now.

 

[dustytruly]

Yeah, I think David has to do what Weyland says, even to the extremes, even if he doesn't like it. He could have easily cut the squid thing out of Shaw (and sort of seemed to have sympathy, if no tact), but decided to stasis her until they got back to Earth. I mean, Shaw cut that thing out herself while doped on painkillers and adrenaline while being scared shitless. Without Weyland, David is free, so I'm really curious as to what he will do now (if he gets his head stitched back on). The most villainous person, I think, was Peter Weyland. Vickers was rational, Janek was heroic, Shaw was curious, and when the shit hit the fan, they knew better. It was Weyland who seems to consider everyone expendable and wants immortality.

In fact, Shaw and David's relationship is pretty interesting on its own. Where do those two go from here and where do they stand? Will Shaw humanize David? Will he remain the same? Will they stay enemies bound together by the desire to survive? David does seem pretty... impressed by Shaw.

yes i love his reaction when shaw wanted to continue to explore. i definitely would love to know what happens next, i think the reaction is his surprise to really being "free" of the corporation and weyland and everything back on earth. in that instance he realizes he is never returning and is no longer serving the same people, OR he is putting a plan in motion to get them back home or something and still has the corporations motives

but yeah david is just a super interesting character and so NOT human, you never know what's happening in his head lol

 

[Horse Detective]

I find it incredibly interesting that traditional Xeno's are more reminiscent of Engineer suits, rather than their skin/texture.

Calls into question that final Alien, though.

 

[Staccat0]

Now I'm wondering if the dot matrix engineers in the security footage weren't running from the last one whose head was cut off? Maybe he was a black ooze zombie? Or he had a xeno in his belly?

 

[dustytruly]

Now I'm wondering if the dot matrix engineers in the security footage weren't running from the last one whose head was cut off? Maybe he was a black ooze zombie? Or he had a xeno in his belly?

oh yes, i had forgot about this but was wondering too!

that's a very good explanation... like why would they run to the "tomb" (or ceremonial room, or whatever you want to think it is lol), and what formed the black ooze vases, like if they WERE running from him then i think they'd avoid those chemical warfare vases. and since the head and body remained untouched for 2000 years, i imagine the engineers who ran in there didn't come out at all, and no one touched the room from that point on

edit: so they ran in there, didn't touch any of the vases, didn't leave, and just died in that room

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I find it incredibly interesting that traditional Xeno's are more reminiscent of Engineer suits, rather than their skin/texture.

Calls into question that final Alien, though.

Perhaps it's part of the bio-mechanical theme. A fusion of the organic and cybernetic? Who knows what other purposes the Engineers can use the black ooze for.

 

[Dan]

Yep, and I think the *story* is good. What's bad is the execution of the script.

Ah. I could not be so generous. The overall story and structure is nearly as problematic as the specific execution.

 

[Staccat0]

oh yes, i had forgot about this but was wondering too!

that's a very good explanation... like why would they run to the "tomb" (or ceremonial room, or whatever you want to think it is lol), and what formed the black ooze vases, like if they WERE running from him, then i think they'd avoid those chemical warfare vases. and since the head and body remained untouched for 2000 years, i imagine the engineers who ran in there didn't come out at all, and no one touched the room from that point on

Yeah, I don't know. weird stuff.

 

[Horse Detective]

Perhaps it's part of the bio-mechanical theme. A fusion of the organic and cybernetic? Who knows what other purposes the Engineers can use the black ooze for.

This has always been the theme of the franchise that is most important to me. It is probably why I "like" Aliens, and love "Alien". The rest is just horrible.

Its sort of why I quoted that speculation on the human space suits, as if that ooze is such a perfect blend of organic material and tech, that it can't really decide between the human and the tech.

 

[TUROK]

I find it incredibly interesting that traditional Xeno's are more reminiscent of Engineer suits, rather than their skin/texture.

Calls into question that final Alien, though.

This is just attributed to H.R. Giger's involvement in creating these two things. That's his art style.

 

[Bob White]

Ok, just saw it haven't read the thread yet.

-Whole story is about sex.
-Engineers have no females/worship death.
-Engineers live for a long time.
-With no women, there's no way for them to procreate except in death.
-They use seeding planets as some sort of weird ritual outlet for sex.
-Since they worship death, the process of wiping out the planet they seeded is an honor for them.
-Explains why the one engineer that killed Wayland smiled at David.
-The xenos are the enginner's DNA manipulation/process of the yin to their yang.
-All aliens are female, the exact opposite of their race.
-And the engineers worship the alien because it's everything they want all wrapped up in a living entity. A death dealing female organism.

Basically, I think the whole Alien story is a just a fucked up way for a group of sexually repressed higher beings to get off. Explains a ton of the sexual imagery.

Might be wrong, gonna read other theories now. Love the movie. Fuck Damon Littleoff.

 

[Horse Detective]

This is just attributed to H.R. Giger's involvement in creating these two things. That's his art style.

I genuinely feel as though it was lost after "Alien"

Prometheus revived that amazing variable in the story to me.

 

[dustytruly]

Yeah, I don't know. weird stuff.

i can't remember, did they find the other engineers bodies in that room? or just the one guy and his head?

because the head didn't decompose so i'm assuming the other engineers' bodies wouldn't have either.

i dunno, i don't feel like this one has an answer

 

[Staccat0]

i can't remember, did they find the other engineers bodies in that room? or just the one guy and his head?

because the head didn't decompose so i'm assuming the other engineers' bodies wouldn't have either.

i dunno, i don't feel like this one has an answer

Maybe a worm crawled down their esophagus and turned them into black ooze.

They found a bunch of chest-bursted engineers, but they weren't in the "tomb" I don't think....

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Maybe a worm crawled down their esophagus and turned them into black ooze.

They found a bunch of chest-bursted engineers, but they weren't in the "tomb" I don't think....

Well, whatever creatures burst out of the Engineers, it was hundreds, if not thousands, of years ago. They would have been long dead as well.

 

[dustytruly]

Ok, just saw it haven't read the thread yet.

-Whole story is about sex.
-Engineers have no females/worship death.
-Engineers live for a long time.
-With no women, there's no way for them to procreate except in death.
-They use seeding planets as some sort of weird ritual outlet for sex.
-Since they worship death, the process of wiping out the planet they seeded is an honor for them.
-Explains why the one engineer that killed Wayland smiled at David.
-The xenos are the enginner's DNA manipulation/process of the yin to their yang.
-All aliens are female, the exact opposite of their race.
-And the engineers worship the alien because it's everything they want all wrapped up in a living entity. A death dealing female organism.

Basically, I think the whole Alien story is a just a fucked up way for a group of sexually repressed higher beings to get off. Explains a ton of the sexual imagery.

Might be wrong, gonna read other theories now. Love the movie. Fuck Damon Littleoff.

LOVE this theory, wow, i need to read more books haha none of this crossed my mind

 

[Horse Detective]

Well, whatever creatures burst out of the Engineers, it was hundreds, if not thousands, of years ago. They would have been long dead as well.

Maybe the Hammerpedes were chest bursters or something to that effect lol

 

[Staccat0]

Well, whatever creatures burst out of the Engineers, it was hundreds, if not thousands, of years ago. They would have been long dead as well.

Sure, I'm just saying I don't think they were in that room that "perfectly preserved" the head. I'm not commenting on the fact that something bursted them.

 

[dustytruly]

Maybe a worm crawled down their esophagus and turned them into black ooze.

They found a bunch of chest-bursted engineers, but they weren't in the "tomb" I don't think....

lol nah those weren't in the tomb, they were along one of the hallways iirc

 

[Staccat0]

If they made a good, legit cthulu movie, it would make the internet fucking furious with their theories

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Ok, just saw it haven't read the thread yet.

-Whole story is about sex.
-Engineers have no females/worship death.
-Engineers live for a long time.
-With no women, there's no way for them to procreate except in death.
-They use seeding planets as some sort of weird ritual outlet for sex.
-Since they worship death, the process of wiping out the planet they seeded is an honor for them.
-Explains why the one engineer that killed Wayland smiled at David.
-The xenos are the enginner's DNA manipulation/process of the yin to their yang.
-All aliens are female, the exact opposite of their race.
-And the engineers worship the alien because it's everything they want all wrapped up in a living entity. A death dealing female organism.

Basically, I think the whole Alien story is a just a fucked up way for a group of sexually repressed higher beings to get off. Explains a ton of the sexual imagery.

Might be wrong, gonna read other theories now. Love the movie. Fuck Damon Littleoff.

That's pretty interesting, actually. But if the Engineers have no way to procreate other than the black ooze, where do the Engineers come from? Who created them? What is their ancestry?

But that's seriously a very intriguing theory.

 

[Horse Detective]

lol nah those weren't in the tomb, they were along one of the hallways iirc

I still wonder why they were all piled together. Who the hell wants to die on another dying person.

 

[Staccat0]

I still wonder why they were all piled together. Who the hell wants to die on another dying person.

They died the way they lived, trying in vain to fuck each other

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I still wonder why they were all piled together. Who the hell wants to die on another dying person.

Were they all cornered? Did something move them there afterwards? Perhaps the surviving Engineer before going into stasis? Did they all choose to die together? Hm.

 

[Horse Detective]

They died the way they lived, trying in vain to fuck each other

When Engineers have butt sex, chestbursters occur.


Orgy= death for everyone. The running engineer didn't want to do this

Spoiler

lol

 

[Staccat0]

Same engineer reliving the same scene over and over again like that one movie with the boat
LOST

Spoiler

triangle

 

[duckroll]

Were they all cornered? Did something move them there afterwards? Perhaps the surviving Engineer before going into stasis? Did they all choose to die together? Hm.

Live together or die alone.

 

[Anuson.Phan]

they skip the part where the worms on the ground that came in contact with the black goo turned into the snake like creature. imo the black goo is a genetic mutation liquid that mixes Xenomorph DNA with any organic creatures DNA turning them into a hybrid creature. That's why there are so many variations of creatures.

Worms + goo = worm/ snake like creature with a hint of Xenomorph ( Acid plus looks like face hugger ).
Scottish guy + goo ( he fell face first into goo) = a partially mutated ( still mutating )creature.
Holloway's sperm (Human developmental stage DNA) + goo = a hybrid Xenomorph slash human creature.

 

[Dresden]

They died the way they lived, trying in vain to fuck each other

I wonder how big an engineer penis is.

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

they skip the part where the worms on the ground that came in contact with the black goo turned into the snake like creature. imo the black goo is a genetic mutation liquid that mixes Xenomorph DNA with any organic creatures DNA turning them into a hybrid creature. That's why there are so many variations of creatures.

Worms + goo = worm/ snake like creature with a hint of Xenomorph ( Acid plus looks like face hugger ).
Scottish guy + goo ( he fell face first into goo) = a partially mutated ( still mutating )creature.
Holloway's sperm (Human developmental stage DNA) + goo = a hybrid Xenomorph slash human creature.

Huh. I never thought of that, and it makes quite a bit of sense when put that way.

 

[Staccat0]

I wonder how big an engineer penis is.

judging form that gatling gun looking control center and how phallic their creations are.... not very.

 

[Anuson.Phan]

When Engineers have butt sex, chestbursters occur.


Orgy= death for everyone. The running engineer didn't want to do this

Spoiler

lol

I think these guys were wiped out by their own kind. not by Xenomorph. they were probably a small cult of their species that wants to destroy life on earth.

 

[Horse Detective]

I think these guys were wiped out by their own kind. not by Xenomorph. they were probably a small cult of their species that wants to destroy life on earth.

Just for clarification, I was definitely joking lol



Damn, this Soundtrack is beautiful.

 

[CartridgeBlower]

The black goo in this movie was straight out of X-Files and, worse, Species II. I can't believe how unoriginal and uncreative this film was at its core. This movie took one of the best sci-fi creations of all time (the xenomorph) and dwarfed it all the way down to the most generic sci-fi trope of the past fifteen years in the black goo. Un-fucking-believable. They should honestly be ashamed.

 

[Jack Scofield]

I absolutely did not expect to like this movie, but I really did. The cinematography was gorgeous, and the beautiful sweeping vistas made me wish I had seen the film in IMAX. There are some nice intense moments in the movie, and the Giger-inspired visuals and environments were fuck awesome, just like they were in Alien.

I have a sneaking suspicion that most people disliked the movie because it shit all over their Alien fan fiction/nerd theories.

Also, did any of you get a preview for the movie The Watch? There's a part in the trailer where a character touches some green goo and claims that it smells and tastes like cum. Needless to say, quite a few people in my audience laughed when Michael Fassbender's character touches a similar-looking liquid in Prometheus.

 

[Tookay]

This sums up the movie rather well: unnecessarily overcomplicated, bordering on incoherent at best and contradictory at worst.