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Some dude in front of me pinched at it lol
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Some dude in front of me pinched at it lol
Speedymanic
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I thought it said as much, but Sym comes through with additional info.
I really need to buy this artbook.
Also, what the hell. Celebrating themselves? Man, it's not unheard of, but come on.
As JB said, he doesn't seem sure either way. I certainly hope there's a DC with all the cut footage, it makes too much sense not to do it, but it's disappointed to hear this won't be a similar release to KoH DC.
Very disappointed by that comment.
Before I drift off to sleep, after having seen it a second time I noticed this:
The room containing the head statue is in itself a large cryo chamber it seems. Once they open it the small worms come to life, the murals starts changing, black ooze starts running not to mentioned the engineer head still being preserved.
The room containing the head statue is in itself a large cryo chamber it seems. Once they open it the small worms come to life, the murals starts changing, black ooze starts running not to mentioned the engineer head still being preserved.
I think the confusion comes from what we consider a "director's cut". Ridley is being literal when he says there will be no special director's cut, because the theater version is exactly what he wanted, therefore, the director's cut. There may be an extended cut if he decides to later though, but he might not consider that a director's cut.
Ridley has said before he likes to do longer cuts on DVD/Blu-Ray because when youre at the leisure of your home you have greater control over how you watch your movies and the idea of a longer film is more palatable at home. Theyre not necessarily DCs (only KoH out of his recent ones would be a DC in its longer cut).
Either way, even if its not his DC, a longer extended version would theoretically help the movie a lot, so hopefully it is indeed coming.
Either way, even if its not his DC, a longer extended version would theoretically help the movie a lot, so hopefully it is indeed coming.
What about the theory that the black goo responds differently depending on the character of the being who interacts with it? Here's how I envision things going down:
The engineers, who are fundamentally good and self-sacrificing, used the goo to create humanity in their own image. Early humans inherited the ideals of the engineers, and the engineers were initially satisfied with their creation. But at some point the human race grew corrupt. In response, the engineers brought a human representative to LV-223 to answer for the crimes of humanity. But this move inadvertently brought a corrupt human into close proximity to the life-giving goo, creating a xenomorph (or just a tentacle monster, but either way a creature who seeks only destruction and self-preservation).
This one creature ("xenomorph") destroyed nearly everyone on the installation, save for the one engineer. Having somehow dealt with the xenomorph threat, the lone engineer then went into stasis. Perhaps he was waiting to be rescued. This version of events, of course, directly parallels those of Ripley in Alien.
Upon being awakened from stasis by Weyland and company, the engineer knew the humans had to go, and he started by killing the crew of the Prometheus. Next, he would set his sights on Earth.
The engineers, who are fundamentally good and self-sacrificing, used the goo to create humanity in their own image. Early humans inherited the ideals of the engineers, and the engineers were initially satisfied with their creation. But at some point the human race grew corrupt. In response, the engineers brought a human representative to LV-223 to answer for the crimes of humanity. But this move inadvertently brought a corrupt human into close proximity to the life-giving goo, creating a xenomorph (or just a tentacle monster, but either way a creature who seeks only destruction and self-preservation).
This one creature ("xenomorph") destroyed nearly everyone on the installation, save for the one engineer. Having somehow dealt with the xenomorph threat, the lone engineer then went into stasis. Perhaps he was waiting to be rescued. This version of events, of course, directly parallels those of Ripley in Alien.
Upon being awakened from stasis by Weyland and company, the engineer knew the humans had to go, and he started by killing the crew of the Prometheus. Next, he would set his sights on Earth.
symphonask
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Yeah, sounds like the first mural depicts creation and life, while the xeno mural depicts Judgement and Armageddon.
So the Engineers literally see themselves as the Gods of humans, and the arbiters of their fate.
That didn't happen. As there were no Xenomorph skeletons around, sure, maybe they all ran away. Doubtful... Also, the heads and bodies of the engineers were exploded and had holes in them as well. Not just chest bursting, suggesting they had the same explosive reaction as the head. The holograms showed Engineers running around, no monsters or aliens.
For all we know, the engineer could have thought the humans were infected with the virus as well, and killed them.
Speedymanic
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Interesting theory, just one thing...can we be sure that a Xeno or another creature was to blame for the engineer's dying? Isn't it possible, based on the glimpses we see of the bodies stacked up, that they were actually infected by the goo and died as a result and weren't hunted down/killed by an escaped creature.
There doesn't seem to be much evidence to support a creature attack killing them and we know from the SJ head that that variation of the goo causes them them to explode.
I wonder if it's possible that the goo in the chamber isn't the same as the one at the beginning of the movie. maybe they were experimenting on changing how it works but it ended up infecting and killing them with the lone engineer the only one to survive/not be infected.
Deified Data
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What was the black void that the Jockey prostrated himself before in the film's intro as he denatured himself?
The theory is interesting but it doesn't fit since the art book confirms that the goo is a weapon. I don't think it has anything to do with the behavior of the person/thing it comes into contact with. It seems like it was designed for a specifi purpose.
Deified Data
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Then why did it denature the Engineer instantly while transforming a human into a vicious monster? Was it the amount of the goo consumed?
Half in the Bag: Prometheus review.
In the framework of my theory, the goo could be considered a weapon as long as it's used against a being who's imperfect. Just drop the goo on the planet's surface and you'll have a slew of murderous, devilish creatures in no time.
In the framework of my theory, the goo could be considered a weapon as long as it's used against a being who's imperfect. Just drop the goo on the planet's surface and you'll have a slew of murderous, devilish creatures in no time.
I'm thinking that the goo used at the beginning of the film was its original use. Its basically the primordial soup that creates life.
However, just like most things, it has positive and negative uses.
They turned that soup into a weapon
Messypandas
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Ridley's probably been told to downplay murmurs of a DC off Fox to maximise day one Blu Ray sales. Then they can double-dip with an announcement next summer or Prometheus 2 tie-in. You don't shit on your product before it hits the shelves
If the extend cut involves reactions to actual events happening. It could make it a decent film. But I can't really see anything helping to make the ending not stupid.
What reaction shots are you hoping for?
Who did it turn into a vicious monster? Fifield? Maybe it wasn't the goo that did that.
Yep.
There will be no directors cut until they have sold millions of theatrical dvd's/blu ray's. Then it will get announced.
Net_Wrecker
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Crew member killed by flamethrower?
Crew member returns as zombie Hulks out on everyone?
ALIEN CARVED OUT OF THAT WOMAN?
DEAD GUY WHO ORDERED THE MISSION NOT DEAD?
Anyone have ANYTHING to say? No? Nothing?
Alright then.
Fox usually puts extended cuts on the first blu-ray release. The only exception has been Avatar, and even then, it was announced right off the bat that the extended cut was coming out later in the year after the initial barebones release so people did not have to double dip.
vas_a_morir
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I actually am open to the theory that there are many factions of Engineers. Good ones, and bad ones, just like humans. Maybe the ones who visited and populated Earth were not the same as the ones who were making the weaponized goo. Maybe they were extremists or cultists who worshiped the Xenomorphs? We seem to presume that all of these aliens are cooperating with one another and share a hivemind, not unlike the posters in this thread. (lol, jk) Peaceful races don't need hidden weapons manufacturing plants. Who were they hiding from?
Also, I can't remember, but was the ship in the beginning of the movie different from the Alien ship at the end? Or were they the same kind of ship?
Also, I can't remember, but was the ship in the beginning of the movie different from the Alien ship at the end? Or were they the same kind of ship?
Deified Data
Banned
Yep, him. He consumes a tiny drop of it, though, so maybe that led to him becoming "rabid" as the goo ate through his brain. But that wouldn't explain his heightened physical abilities...
patience is a virtue
The Hammerpede just killed (ie Milburn) Fifield went Zombie because he fell in the goo.
Wolfe
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This has prolly been touched on already but I think the one inconsistency that amused me the most was dealing with Shaw's pregnancy.
I mean she gets super serious about how she "can't make life" (infertility I guess?) yet when David confronts her with the knowledge bomb that she's now 3 months pregnant, instead of just straight up saying "wtf I can't be pregnant" she instead says "but we only had sex 10 hours ago!"
I mean she gets super serious about how she "can't make life" (infertility I guess?) yet when David confronts her with the knowledge bomb that she's now 3 months pregnant, instead of just straight up saying "wtf I can't be pregnant" she instead says "but we only had sex 10 hours ago!"
symphonask
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The artbook confirms that it was the black slime that did that. It also mentions that Fifield's monster was the mid-point between the Hammerpede and the Deacon in the genetic cycle.
The film cuts away after Hardyway got grilled and we're with Shaw on the bed. She was pretty upset about it at the time, there was no time to hear other people's take on the situation.
Fifeld going smash was just a chance for the remaining crew of 17 who we never see to get their heads smashed in. No-one else saw it happening.
Weyland being alive was only a surprise to Shaw who's pretty nonchalant about his presence but she acknowledges it. She's doped up pretty heavy by that point though.
Alien abortion was weird, I didn't know what to make of that. I thought maybe it was a pregnancy dream/hallucination. I thought David knew what was happening, what she'd do, and just covered for her or told everyone. They didn't seem to care since they'd already found the maker, so whatever, let her die/give birth so long as old man gets to see his dad. I have no idea why no-one wondered where she was, or how she managed to beat up two of her fellows without any repurcussions.
I think she'd already latched onto the significance of what the pregnancy entailed, and was trying to cope/rationalize with it.
It's just everything post-abortion that really fucks it up. Why didn't anyone notice? How did she get into what is probably a private/detachable section of the Prometheus? Why didn't the two crewmates that she attacked not respond? How is she walking around, doped up, after getting her guts sliced? So on and so on. It's miserable.
MotionBlue
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Saw it this past Saturday. Enjoyed it very much, aside from the zombie moment.
From what I understand, Space Jockey's seeded a number of Galaxies(On the hologram, many galaxies and stars are targeted) with life using their own genetic material. They used the black goo to do so, sacrificing a single person. I think "Why" is intentionally left ambiguous.
Sometime later, they decide to wipe out the life they seeded (be it part of the reason they seeded, or some other). They decide to do so using bio weapons similar to or derived from the black goo. Something happens, they all die.
Xenomorphs are the end result of whatever wiped them out. I'm not sure if the one shown near the end is the first, or simply a evolutionary cousin. The living Jockey's aggressive behavior is strange. I know in the Alien Blu-ray, the commentary states that Jockey's were originally designed to appear benign.
From what I understand, Space Jockey's seeded a number of Galaxies(On the hologram, many galaxies and stars are targeted) with life using their own genetic material. They used the black goo to do so, sacrificing a single person. I think "Why" is intentionally left ambiguous.
Sometime later, they decide to wipe out the life they seeded (be it part of the reason they seeded, or some other). They decide to do so using bio weapons similar to or derived from the black goo. Something happens, they all die.
Xenomorphs are the end result of whatever wiped them out. I'm not sure if the one shown near the end is the first, or simply a evolutionary cousin. The living Jockey's aggressive behavior is strange. I know in the Alien Blu-ray, the commentary states that Jockey's were originally designed to appear benign.
Messypandas
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I wish that they had played around with Charlie being infected more, and made it bit of a heavier weight on the story. I mean this guy was the love of Noomi's life seeing him fall apart piece by piece and lose his humanity (ala the fly) and perhaps turn on the crew (although not necessarily) would have been a bit more dramatic than the instant turn and bbq we got in the movie. The bit where he say his eye bleed reminded me of Goldblum pulling his fingernails off in the fly
So he was turning into a Xeno of some kind?
Isnt there an image in the artbook of a more advanced mutation of fifield that looks even more Xeno-like?
BuddyJoeHooker
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That's what Fifield was turning into, but the picture on the left looks like a Chozo.
The Elite
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What's everyone's take on this picture.
I still say it's the natives of the planet they're on. Someone had to build that shrine to the Engineers.
TheJollyCorner
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Really liked it. Been thinking about it all weekend and today.
Sure, there was some eye-rolling stuff, but at its core I really liked what Scott and Lindelof attempted to do. It's always been an idea that fascinated me.
Could have been better? Absolutely... but I try not to dwell on that too much.
My own crazy rationalization/speculation. Bear with me.
Regarding David's motivation:
I assumed from my first screening that Weyland likely instructed him to infect a crew member to test any potential 'healing' properties it might have. I mean, isn't that why Weyland was there to begin with? To extend his own life?
Maybe David chose Holloway because he knew he was already drunk (i.e. when he shows up in the med-lab) and would be an easier target/easier way to administer the goop? I don't think Weyland's intention was outright EEEEEVIL, but as another poster pointed out 362583 pages ago, Weyland was on his last leg, desperate to find a way to expand his life, so an expendable crew member to jump start things, especially after David informs him that the engineers are dead/gone, seemed like the logical direction to go?
I don't know. The idea of a 'curious' David is interesting, too. Think of his line from the viral: (paraphrase) "I am programmed to make decisions that my human counter-parts may find... difficult or unnerving." Most humans would have the moral stance not to carelessly experiment with an unknown biological (?) alien organism on a fellow crew-member, but perhaps David felt it was the logical course of action to uncover what effects this material had? I think it's safe to assume he was able to deduct that it wasn't just some muck because of the way this higher intelligence appeared to be containing it. Maybe his plan was if things got out of hand with Holloway he could just transport him into the medi-pod?
Then again, as an extremely intelligent AI he had to have concluded the high probability of unpredictable disaster that could endanger the entire crew. If Weyland's philosophy was "I don't give a fuck about any of them... just do it!", his instructions would bypass the potential danger, maybe?
A lot of 'maybes' there. Guess that's one of the reasons people are getting so pissed.
Regarding the derelict in Alien:
I believe it's simply another weapon/cargo ship by the Engineers that, for whatever reason ran into issues in the same system and crashed on LV-426. Perhaps one of those tombs had the more traditional xeno eggs (possibly bio-engineered via the goop found in tomb #1) that they were moving? Could be the Engineer was face-hugged on LV-223 (sabotage? Simple mishandling of cargo?), or on the way to LV-223, and by the time he was leaving/passing over LV-426 the chestbuster started working its way out, causing him to crash.
BUT we only see the navigator (Engineer in the chair). The derelict had a warning/SOS beacon that the Nostromo keys in on, so maybe there was another Engineer working communications that may have eventually been killed by whatever burst from the navigator?
Here is where they might have written themselves into more of a mess.
The Jockey/Engineer found in Alien appears to have been there so damn long it had fossilized. I know we are dealing with space fiction here, but it takes organic material a hell of a long time to fossilize, doesn't it? So the ALIEN derelict has to be older than the events of Prometheus. A lot older.... even older than the Engineers' original projected return to Earth 2000 years earlier. Fifield and Mayburn find 2000 year old dead Engineers. They weren't fossils like the one found on LV-426.
Prometheus takes place in 2073-2075 (or around that time, right?), ALIEN takes place around 2123. Roughly about 48 year difference, for those keeping score.
Why didn't the Engineers on LV-223 pick up on the LV-426 derelict beacon and recover/destroy the cargo? Better yet, why didn't the Prometheus pick up on the beacon if they were so close? Maybe it did, it was archived (I believe the viral details mention the Prometheus is constantly transmitting information back to corporate), and that is why Weyland Corp knew to have the Nostromo intentionally pass the system 48-50 years later? Then again, it only takes the Prometheus about 2 years to get from our system to the Zeta 2 system. By the time of ALIEN, it supposedly only takes 10 months. Maybe at the time Weyland Co figured a rescue/salvage trip to LV-223 was too dangerous at the time?
Fuck my head hurts.
Whoever they get to write the next film better start doing their homework. Fascinating stuff... but man...
Sure, there was some eye-rolling stuff, but at its core I really liked what Scott and Lindelof attempted to do. It's always been an idea that fascinated me.
Could have been better? Absolutely... but I try not to dwell on that too much.
My own crazy rationalization/speculation. Bear with me.
Regarding David's motivation:
I assumed from my first screening that Weyland likely instructed him to infect a crew member to test any potential 'healing' properties it might have. I mean, isn't that why Weyland was there to begin with? To extend his own life?
Maybe David chose Holloway because he knew he was already drunk (i.e. when he shows up in the med-lab) and would be an easier target/easier way to administer the goop? I don't think Weyland's intention was outright EEEEEVIL, but as another poster pointed out 362583 pages ago, Weyland was on his last leg, desperate to find a way to expand his life, so an expendable crew member to jump start things, especially after David informs him that the engineers are dead/gone, seemed like the logical direction to go?
I don't know. The idea of a 'curious' David is interesting, too. Think of his line from the viral: (paraphrase) "I am programmed to make decisions that my human counter-parts may find... difficult or unnerving." Most humans would have the moral stance not to carelessly experiment with an unknown biological (?) alien organism on a fellow crew-member, but perhaps David felt it was the logical course of action to uncover what effects this material had? I think it's safe to assume he was able to deduct that it wasn't just some muck because of the way this higher intelligence appeared to be containing it. Maybe his plan was if things got out of hand with Holloway he could just transport him into the medi-pod?
Then again, as an extremely intelligent AI he had to have concluded the high probability of unpredictable disaster that could endanger the entire crew. If Weyland's philosophy was "I don't give a fuck about any of them... just do it!", his instructions would bypass the potential danger, maybe?
A lot of 'maybes' there. Guess that's one of the reasons people are getting so pissed.
Regarding the derelict in Alien:
I believe it's simply another weapon/cargo ship by the Engineers that, for whatever reason ran into issues in the same system and crashed on LV-426. Perhaps one of those tombs had the more traditional xeno eggs (possibly bio-engineered via the goop found in tomb #1) that they were moving? Could be the Engineer was face-hugged on LV-223 (sabotage? Simple mishandling of cargo?), or on the way to LV-223, and by the time he was leaving/passing over LV-426 the chestbuster started working its way out, causing him to crash.
BUT we only see the navigator (Engineer in the chair). The derelict had a warning/SOS beacon that the Nostromo keys in on, so maybe there was another Engineer working communications that may have eventually been killed by whatever burst from the navigator?
Here is where they might have written themselves into more of a mess.
The Jockey/Engineer found in Alien appears to have been there so damn long it had fossilized. I know we are dealing with space fiction here, but it takes organic material a hell of a long time to fossilize, doesn't it? So the ALIEN derelict has to be older than the events of Prometheus. A lot older.... even older than the Engineers' original projected return to Earth 2000 years earlier. Fifield and Mayburn find 2000 year old dead Engineers. They weren't fossils like the one found on LV-426.
Prometheus takes place in 2073-2075 (or around that time, right?), ALIEN takes place around 2123. Roughly about 48 year difference, for those keeping score.
Why didn't the Engineers on LV-223 pick up on the LV-426 derelict beacon and recover/destroy the cargo? Better yet, why didn't the Prometheus pick up on the beacon if they were so close? Maybe it did, it was archived (I believe the viral details mention the Prometheus is constantly transmitting information back to corporate), and that is why Weyland Corp knew to have the Nostromo intentionally pass the system 48-50 years later? Then again, it only takes the Prometheus about 2 years to get from our system to the Zeta 2 system. By the time of ALIEN, it supposedly only takes 10 months. Maybe at the time Weyland Co figured a rescue/salvage trip to LV-223 was too dangerous at the time?
Fuck my head hurts.
Whoever they get to write the next film better start doing their homework. Fascinating stuff... but man...
The Elite
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Funny. Ridley Scott was the man originally commissioned to design the Daleks. I'd be curious to see his designs.
I've heard people comparing it to Tomb of the Cybermen. I'll need to take another look but I don't quite see the connection.
Excellent review.
I assumed that was what was happening to Holloway. At first I thought he was disintegrating but then he was burned for a long time and then his body/legs lay there on the bridge.
At the end of the movie I assumed the biological weapon turned humans/engineers in direct contact and from what we saw would attempt to change other lifeforms into something that would spawn a xeno.
Weyland says it explicitly. Something about how since the Engineers created humanity, they perhaps also know how to stave off the natural course of aging and death. That's the only reason he wanted to meet them.
No, its from Prometheus. It's what Fifield (and Holloway, just at a slower rate) were mutating into into.
Look at the smaller pic, this creature is wearing Fiflield's helmet.
John Rabbit
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the fact that a ridley scott film requires this much discussion just to make the main plot make the barest of sense is really disappointing.
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