Spectral Glider
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"I am sick and tired of these motherfuckin space cobras on my ship!"
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"I am sick and tired of these motherfuckin space cobras on my ship!"
BuddyJoeHooker
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It will probably jump on the ship with Shaw and David. She is the surrogate mother, or something. Maybe LV-426 is the Engineer's home world and will be massacred by a single xenomorph. These are questions for the next film.
I enjoyed Star Trek and Coyboys and Aliens for the free-wheeling kind of SF they were, so I have no issue with him in particular, but this needed someone very different to write it.
John Rabbit
Banned
i understand that, but i think its obvious that we as the audience are to conclude that it is the progenitor for the giger alien.
whats still gestating?
it's sad that this is probably what will actually happen.
Those are dumb blockbuster movies that happen to be Scifi theme.
This tried to be something intelligent and failed so very hard.
Should have been more Sunshine rather than the shit they were attempting to make. Actually, this would have worked fabulously with that structure. First 2/3 are them exploring, pit falls encountered, characters playing against one and another. Last 1/3 being a monster movie due to it.
29, I saw Alien when I was too young and was terrified for quite sometime. Then saw Aliens, and had nightmares about the Queen alien. Around the same time I saw Legend... My brother was older and I tried to hang out with the big boys, christ. I seriously don't get the argument that Alien & Aliens isn't scifi/horror as a few pages back. Its not just pure sci-fi.
Also Fun Question, how does the original hugger get so large without eating a single thing. PlotHole#142103312 but yes, it doesn't matter. Like the rest.
Was a great adventure up to the part where it
turned into Event Horizon. In total, horrible.
Cowboys & Trek were at least good stories, with characters that actually participated in said story. Now, garden variety material of course. But still they succeed in offering the audience characters. Prometheus apologists are ignoring the simple fact that the characters had no depth, at all, even basic levels.
Leave predator out of this. Its been ruined enough. Its literally like these guys are out to ruin any and all memories of these great characters & franchise.
That explains a lot!
Then ends up making friends with him. It was so crappy.
One version of the script had the crew of the Nostromo finding food lockers that had been scavenged by the chestburster.
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This is such a load of shit. Whining doesn't equal pointing out how the entire movie was one giant walking plothole, and having a slight expectation of a coherent story. Since all the other films had them, and discussing how completely irrational all of them are.
On top of the plot holes, there is lack of character development and interaction with the story. The characters don't address the plot holes, nor do they address their own actions in the movie. Bother is the wrong word, pointing out its shortcomings and laughing at how ridiculous it is to have a woman die by a pillar falling directly onto her, while noomi rolls out of the way, is just plain bad writing.
You couldn't see the bad writing, right? Not that it bothered you.
Before we continue, was it a shock to you that Weylands daughter was Charlize? That's been my profiling question before I continue any conversation.
I dont mind horrible sci-fi B grade movies either, and they don't bother me. But don't act like you didn't notice how the characters could care less when someone died, or fetal removal, or staples in a stomach, or pretending you cant give coordinates to someone that just gave you coordinates... etc...
Why wasn't there a scene like this before they went off? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI-Dd-cLxEc&feature=relmfu
Here they could have introduced the old man and we could have learned what made him think he could get some fountain of youth from the creators, and what was the instructions to David from him and David's motives. They could have explained his relationship with his daughter a bit more and shit like that before they went off.
Overall the movie just feels unfinished.
Here they could have introduced the old man and we could have learned what made him think he could get some fountain of youth from the creators, and what was the instructions to David from him and David's motives. They could have explained his relationship with his daughter a bit more and shit like that before they went off.
Overall the movie just feels unfinished.
Just saw it 4 hours ago.
I think there are some well done scenes in terms of pacing and suspense that I really liked (I thought the operation scene was great in creating suspense and that is the one that pops out to me atm). And then there were scenes like the one where the biologist acts like an idiot that annoyed me to no end. Also the crashing of the ship to role and create drama was pretty bad.
I'm not quite sure what David's intentions were with giving the goo to Holloway (I'm thinking he started to actually develop human-like feelings and that was one way to take it out since he was obsessed with Shaw). Also, what happen to the vile he broke and the container he took.
What was the point of the initial scene with the engineer where he drinks the black goo and then falls off the waterfall? There was a ship taking off and then he kills himself. Also, is the goo's effectiveness is equivalent to the amount taken since he is affected immediately and it took hours/a day to create issues with Holloway.
That's all I can think of for now. Overall I enjoyed it, I mean it was a beautiful movie to look at (mostly from the opening credit roll, then it became brown planet). As many have commented I think many of the characters are laughably bad (Vickers).
I think there are some well done scenes in terms of pacing and suspense that I really liked (I thought the operation scene was great in creating suspense and that is the one that pops out to me atm). And then there were scenes like the one where the biologist acts like an idiot that annoyed me to no end. Also the crashing of the ship to role and create drama was pretty bad.
I'm not quite sure what David's intentions were with giving the goo to Holloway (I'm thinking he started to actually develop human-like feelings and that was one way to take it out since he was obsessed with Shaw). Also, what happen to the vile he broke and the container he took.
What was the point of the initial scene with the engineer where he drinks the black goo and then falls off the waterfall? There was a ship taking off and then he kills himself. Also, is the goo's effectiveness is equivalent to the amount taken since he is affected immediately and it took hours/a day to create issues with Holloway.
That's all I can think of for now. Overall I enjoyed it, I mean it was a beautiful movie to look at (mostly from the opening credit roll, then it became brown planet). As many have commented I think many of the characters are laughably bad (Vickers).
HP_Wuvcraft
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My friends are going tonight. Against my better judgement and my wallet, I am getting paid this week, and I do need the company. I can work with being alone for three months, but with my work/writing computer in the shop this week, I'm going stir-crazy. Hopefully seeing it already will soften the blow.
indigo-cyclops
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Sorry, I just meant to say my feelings on the plot/narrative are still gestating having just seen it. But there were a lot of inconsitencies with me as well and the ending coming up fast on me. Like it was necessary to wrap it up. The whole Shaw thing was so confusing. She was meant to be quarantined followed by stasis and yet she's in the private wing, performing surgery on herself, and when she's seen again by David and Weyland, it's like they expected her.
Visually I fucking loved it though.
I tend to think David was testing the goo for healing properties, or eliminating Holloway because he felt he was a threat to the actual mission. He may have known more than he let on from the start.
Think that makes the most sense with the Try Harder bit.
Clearly there was something about this scene that people missed and couldn't put together but I don't get it. One of my brightest friends asked the same question after the movie. I felt like it was fairly obvious from the imagery and certainly confirmed via the direction of the movie plot.
The substance it consumed broke it down to a DNA level and spread its DNA throughout the water. It was the creator of life for the human species we follow in the story.
This movie is much, much better the second time. I felt like I was on top of pretty much everything. Yes there are flaws, but I feel the internet is REALLY playing up some things here that are not that big a deal.
A second viewing really clarifies things and I can't wait to see the sequel
A second viewing really clarifies things and I can't wait to see the sequel
The engineer basically seeded life on Earth with his DNA (or a planet that isn't Earth, but looks a lot like it).
Basically, his DNA was the building blocks for life on Earth.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
I bet it's been brought up, but what was up with this guy being in the movie?
thecouncil
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the point of showing the deacon at the end was, i suppose, to show what steps were necessary to create the xenomorphs: human/engineer DNA mixes with black slime + birth of squid thing + squid thing face-hugging another engineer/human = chest bursting xenomorph that can now lay eggs to make more face hugging things (oh hell, i dunno. these are the steps this movie presents unfortunately enough...)
that deacon could've died on that planet at that point. it wasn't necessarily the first and only xenomorph ever.
the only contribution shaw had to this situation was human DNA. the engineers also had human DNA so this whole situation could be happening independent of this movie.
heres what i wrote earlier in the thread which could explain the ties to Alien and another xenomorph being on that planet in Alien:
I bet it's been brought up, but what was up with this guy being in the movie?
Dr. Frankenstein was behind everything, that explains it.
That makes sense, Thanks!
I guess I didn't quite understand that he was on Earth at that point.
The other scientists were bringing her to stasis. They thought she was anesthesized but she wasn't. She knocks them out and the races to the med pod. While this is happening the capt and the rest of the crew are contending with Xeno fiefield and David and the others are tending to Weyland who is anxious to meet the sole surviving engineer.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
Yea...I only saw bits of that movie as a kid. I watched it today for the first time since forever. Holy shit...I've not seen something that terrible in a long ass time. Like...damn. I could have used that time being productive or something.
The first encounter with the Statue Head and black goop are a little clear the second time. Once they enter the Chamber the atmosphere starts to change, as do the murals and other carvings/paintings. At the same time, the sandstorm starts to roll through. There are shots of the sky changing, lightning etc. The encounter is very religious in nature. Behind the statue head is the huge mural with what looks like a crucified xenomorph, placed above a huge doorway, which we never enter. In front of the doorway is a green crystal. Halloway says it's "just a tomb" but it is clearly something important and I guess Ridley didn't want to show that just yet.
The Pyramid has what looks like an alien head at the very top. The alien head actually kind of resembles the alien face in Alien Resurrection. There is something clearly going on there with the Xenomorphs. It is some kind of house of worship.
When the ship makes its landing you can also see about 3 or 4 other Pyramids lined up in a row in that huge desert valley. There were a lot of visual cues I completely missed on first viewing.
David gives us a little insight into why the SJs changed their minds about us and wanted to kill us. Shaw very pointedly asks where they are headed and David says "Earth." Shaw then asks why? And David says "sometimes to create you must destroy."
It was very interesting to see how the SJ reacted during his first encounter with David. He places his hand on his head (like he was collecting information about him or something) and obviously considered him an affront, same as Weyland. I kind of like how they handled Charlize's death .. she was a selfish bitch who resented her father for artificially prolonging his life. She wanted his inheritance and she wanted to take over the Corporation. She deserved to go out like that.
It also makes A LOT more sense that Janek arrives at the conclusion that the installation might be military in nature. He sees all the footage on the video feeds. He sees all the Cannisters for himself. He sees the piles of bodies dead against the doorway. He sees what the black goop does to Fiefield and others. I believe he also saw the cargo hold housing the clusterbombs.
The design of this movie is really without peer this year. The fucking special effects at the end are some of the most seamless I think I have ever seen. The whole movie is just immaculate. There is virtually no greenscreen here. And the alien ship crashing at the end just looked so physical and so real. It looked like it completely inhabited that world and the scale of the thing was just immense.
The Pyramid has what looks like an alien head at the very top. The alien head actually kind of resembles the alien face in Alien Resurrection. There is something clearly going on there with the Xenomorphs. It is some kind of house of worship.
When the ship makes its landing you can also see about 3 or 4 other Pyramids lined up in a row in that huge desert valley. There were a lot of visual cues I completely missed on first viewing.
David gives us a little insight into why the SJs changed their minds about us and wanted to kill us. Shaw very pointedly asks where they are headed and David says "Earth." Shaw then asks why? And David says "sometimes to create you must destroy."
It was very interesting to see how the SJ reacted during his first encounter with David. He places his hand on his head (like he was collecting information about him or something) and obviously considered him an affront, same as Weyland. I kind of like how they handled Charlize's death .. she was a selfish bitch who resented her father for artificially prolonging his life. She wanted his inheritance and she wanted to take over the Corporation. She deserved to go out like that.
It also makes A LOT more sense that Janek arrives at the conclusion that the installation might be military in nature. He sees all the footage on the video feeds. He sees all the Cannisters for himself. He sees the piles of bodies dead against the doorway. He sees what the black goop does to Fiefield and others. I believe he also saw the cargo hold housing the clusterbombs.
The design of this movie is really without peer this year. The fucking special effects at the end are some of the most seamless I think I have ever seen. The whole movie is just immaculate. There is virtually no greenscreen here. And the alien ship crashing at the end just looked so physical and so real. It looked like it completely inhabited that world and the scale of the thing was just immense.
indigo-cyclops
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Right I get the scenario, but the entire crew wouldn't know that she was expected to be in stasis? I guess maybe I'm the one reaching here.
Wait you're saying Event Horizon is terrible? What the fuck?
It was for Peter Weyland.
indigo-cyclops
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Edit: Just answered, makes sense. Duh.
EleventhDoctor
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"Holy fucking shit-are you seeing this? Look at these dead bodies-man I am freaking the fuck out-what killed these things???"
5 minutes later
"ohh! Look a space snake! Hey baby!! Hey sweetie, come here!!"
Brilliant!!
Fifield was freaking out, the Biologist really didn't freak out at the dead engineers.
Even when the worm was there, Fifield was still freaking out. The Biologist didn't freak out until the worm attacked him.
DrForester
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This was a really stupid obstacle anyways. She just reprogrammed it in 10 seconds to do the job anyways. I guess maybe to explain to the dense that Weyland was alive, but was anyone questioning that Weyland was alive at that point? It was painfully obvious that Weyland was the one David was talking with earlier in the film. Not to mention it was revealed he was alive immediately after the scene, there was no reason to drop a clue.
Lord, I'd love to see your crackpot posts in the LOST threads.
EleventhDoctor
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I rescind my snarky joke.
When she reprogrammed it, it still didn't perform a cesarean, it was foreign object removal. It still was programmed for a male.
I can't believe people are harping on this so much. Yes, he's a shitty character but he is completely incidental to the plot. Why are people spending so much time on this guy? He's fodder for the plot. Big fucking deal. Let's talk about it for 5 pages.
indigo-cyclops
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Plus the implication is is that everyone else was in and out of there. I'm aware that in film-making the passage of time is not always necessary - what fun would that be? I guess it's that way to set up the story so looking to deep into it is pointless. But with everyone coming in and out of there like it was one small room it's tough to think they would get lost, plus they had the pups mapping the entire place, wouldn't he be tapped into it.
Ah!!!
I have no idea. The crew wasn't "that" big and there was multiple things happening at the same time. Maybe David kept it hush hush. It seemed like there were two people tasked with putting her in stasis and that's it.
Yes, the biologist acted like an idiot. Stupid scene, yes. It's kind of like characters doing stupid shit in a horror movie. Could it have been handled better? Yes. Does it invalidate all the other amazing shit in the movie? No.
Also, Charlize Theron stumbled right before she was rolled over. I just watched it a second time. She clearly is running ahead of Noomi (who moves to the side well before her), stumbles to the ground and then is crushed. It was a fitting death for such a selfish bitch.
DrForester
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Still no reason for it. She would have been injured either way, and the injury wasn't that big a deal in the long run.
Jack Scofield
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During the end part of the film when the space jockey ship was leaving and a lot of action was happening did it sound like the speakers were crackling in a way that sounded like the speakers were not strong enough for the sounds of the movie?
I asked someone who worked at the theater and they said other people asked about it and it happens at other theaters too.
It just sounded really off and didn't seem to really synch up with what was happening.
I asked someone who worked at the theater and they said other people asked about it and it happens at other theaters too.
It just sounded really off and didn't seem to really synch up with what was happening.
It's kind of like in Alien when what's his face goes looking for the cat by himself when the little alien is running around. Same shit. Characters do stupid shit in these kinds of movies. It does make absolutely no fucking sense that those two guys decided to set up shop in the Chamber room with all the vases and the spilled black goo though. Very stupid, especially since they are so freaked out.
Spotless Mind
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That just says it all. Why would they keep the real goal of a trillion dollar expedition a secret, when it was likely people would react just like Fifield did? Wouldn't Weyland want to hire people that wouldn't balk at the first sight of an alien body? It was a ridiculous premise to swallow. It was obviously Lindelof's excuse to write in a bunch of lazy exposition.
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