Joe Shlabotnik
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It means something created the Engineers. And I guess something created the Engineer-creator. And..
"It's just turtles, all the way down."
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It means something created the Engineers. And I guess something created the Engineer-creator. And..
"It's just turtles, all the way down."
He says it was a bit too on the nose to put into the script as it is. He never dismisses the actual idea or invalidates it. He also speaks fondly of the idea. If he can speak fondly of it, people can make fun of him for it if they don't like it. Fair game.
Just like when Ridley Scott says that Tim Rothman is a very smart man.
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K so Jesus is the creation of fallen-angels and they are angry cause we rejected fallen-angel-created-Jesus? Cause the fallen angels wanted humans to love their neighbors?
Except answering no questions doesn't feel rewarding and make me care to see part 2.
Of course. That still only confirms that they used as jumping off point to generate ideas. I have no issue with this.
Joe Shlabotnik
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This sounds like you are trying to poke holes in something but I don't know what.
Edit: OK you added another question but it still doesn't seem to contradict anything.
Karma Kramer
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Fair enough... somehow I get the feeling people say that now, but when it hits theaters they eventually see it.
A bit surprised that they managed to carbon date something on a planet they had just landed on, but I guess that's future science.
How Shaw then looked at the DNA from that same corpse and determined that it predated (?) ours is another mystery to me.
Messypandas
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Jengineer was just a space traveller who got lost going to see his girlfriend
Karma Kramer
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Makes about as much sense as Lost did!
Lost is so much more wtf then Prometheus... I really don't get the comparisons other than the fact the main writer worked on both. Is the Matrix like Lost as well then?
Well, if you go by the Jesus theory thing then they didn't create him, he's just one of them that they sent to earth, but then we killed him.
I'm just making fun of his attempts to make any theory he doesn't agree with seem somehow contrived.
No. IF they specifically went with the "lol space Jesus" idea, for all we know Christ had no connection to them and his death was just a last straw for them for some reason.
Karma Kramer
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For what purpose? It doesn't really make any sense. It seems like the Engineers created life to witness evolution but because they found/invented the xeno black dna they no longer needed humans and like a flip of a robotic switch decided to shut down the experiment until things got out of hand and they lost control of their own creation (outbreak) just as the humans lost control over David.
Messypandas
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Oh man this would be a funny flashback in the sequel.
"Hai Guys! I'm a peaceful ambassador from space and i'm here to do a little review of your worthiness as a species"
"Kill him"
Another question I have. Why did the main dude get all depressed and alcoholic after finding ONE dead engineer? Why did everyone assume they were all dead? There were several identical structures within view of where they were, how about explore those? Maybe explore more of than two acres of the planet before giving up on your life's work? He didn't think maybe some of them escaped, or some managed to survive the outbreak somewhere close by, or that some managed to get into magic sleep pods?
That quitter deserved to die.
Why were we invited to their biological weapons warehouse?
"this is a film" is not an excuse. If anything, it makes the decision more idiotic. Why write a scenario where it would make more sense to have a ship full of Davids? If you're going to have humans, give them a purpose, don't make them complete morons that are inferior in every way to Herr Robot.
Normally I try not to nitpick movies because all of them have at least a couple "but why did they.." questions. The problem with this movie is that there are dozens of them.
That quitter deserved to die.
Why were we invited to their biological weapons warehouse?
"this is a film" is not an excuse. If anything, it makes the decision more idiotic. Why write a scenario where it would make more sense to have a ship full of Davids? If you're going to have humans, give them a purpose, don't make them complete morons that are inferior in every way to Herr Robot.
Normally I try not to nitpick movies because all of them have at least a couple "but why did they.." questions. The problem with this movie is that there are dozens of them.
Why would you lose patience with people you weren't living with and who hadn't invented space travel at the time to bother you or anyone else?
And a project that took millions of years which you'd been repeatedly visiting during much more barbaric times?
No, Space Jesus was there and he was PISSED.
We don't know why they created life either. There is no evidence that they did it just to witness evolution. There could be tons of different possibilities as to why they created life. It might not even have been a collective decision of their race. It could have been one of them, or a small group of them. It might have been planned or spontaneous. It's never ever established because it's not really important to the narrative of the movie. To know is to understand, and the point is that we're not meant to understand. That's one of the few points the movie actually manages to get right.
Messypandas
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The most logical explanation is the Engineers aren't the only hostile race in the galaxy and maybe they're competing for territory. Creating planets with different evolving species to test your biological weaponry on sounds pretty rational. How many times have tested we shit on animals? Maybe engineers are empathetic to natives of their homeworld
Karma Kramer
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They thought they were invited.
And its a completely reasonable excuse... there was the people who flew the ship, they could do that fine, no need for david, then there was the two scientists who discovered the planet/constellations, so makes sense for them to go... all thats left is a few characters to get killed, because yeah its a film.
Karma Kramer
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True, and agreed.
Speedymanic
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If the goo really does react to a sacrifices mental state, wouldn't they want a species they hope to use as sacrifices to be serene/love thy neighbor, etc?
I'm sure they couldn't continue to sacrifice themselves as were doing, maybe their race was dying and they wanted to pass on their knowledge/advancements to a race that was very similar to them...but we turned, we become violent and 'sace Jesus' was their last attempt to salvage the race they wanted to become their successors but we killed him, at which point it becomes evident to them that we're a failed experiment and they need to start again.
With regards to those other seeded planets, maybe ours was the only one were life was able to evolve to the point where humanoids came about.
But why would the engineers invite humans to the planet??
Messypandas
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Well you always get the nut-cases breaking into animal-labs. Perhaps we were contacted by rogue Engineers who wanted to share technology and give us a gaming chance. I'd rather not think of the entire race as black and white.
if that seems too odd,
maybe it wasn't an invitation.
i don't remember the glyphs in detail but maybe it was a painting created by homesick engineers... or a map so they could remember where their offworld base was
Speedymanic
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Maybe humans were the only species that evolved to the point that we would be of use to them?
The facility was full of engineers back then, it makes sense that they'd want to invite us and show us everything they've achieved and share their knowledge, unfortunately it went to pot when we killed 'space Jesus'.
The basic idea is that they leave invitations and if/when humanity reaches a point where they can get there themselves, they'll be seen as equals by the engineers and worthy(?) of their knowledge.
Why wouldn't rogue Engineers who wanted to share technology direct us to a rogue Engineer base instead of a military installation filled with non-rogue Engineers? Seems dumb. Wait, but so are all the characters in Prometheus!
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The movie was made up of stupid characters.
Why the invitation?
It would make sense than the Space Jockeys are limited in numbers, can't actually reproduce. The more they give life (through self-sacrifice), the fewer of them exist.
Sounds pretty stupid to create Xenomorphs because we rejected love-thy-neighbor though.
LaserBuddha
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Maybe the Engineers have their own religion involving glorifying themselves (or whoever "gave" them their power) and maintaining a cycle of life and death, creation and apocalypse.
So they leave signs on their creations' planets to go find them on another planet, and when a species has reached that stage in development (when they are capable long range space travel) they have reached the intended limit of how far the Engineers will allow us to progress. The Engineers destroy them to both keep a rival power from emerging in the universe and to fulfill this compulsion for ritualistic destruction as seen in their mural.
This of course would mean that there is no big secret about why humanity is to be destroyed, only that we've reached the endgame of our intended arc and the Engineers want to roll a new game of Civ.
I don't see how any event along the way in human history could have made them decide to kill us later (in reference to that Jesus thing), since they left us maps to their "death planet" long before any kind of civilization had developed. Yeah it could just be a safety precaution, neutral ground to meet us on, but I don't think that's the kind of first encounter you set up for your creations if you might want them to get along with you.
So they leave signs on their creations' planets to go find them on another planet, and when a species has reached that stage in development (when they are capable long range space travel) they have reached the intended limit of how far the Engineers will allow us to progress. The Engineers destroy them to both keep a rival power from emerging in the universe and to fulfill this compulsion for ritualistic destruction as seen in their mural.
This of course would mean that there is no big secret about why humanity is to be destroyed, only that we've reached the endgame of our intended arc and the Engineers want to roll a new game of Civ.
I don't see how any event along the way in human history could have made them decide to kill us later (in reference to that Jesus thing), since they left us maps to their "death planet" long before any kind of civilization had developed. Yeah it could just be a safety precaution, neutral ground to meet us on, but I don't think that's the kind of first encounter you set up for your creations if you might want them to get along with you.
No, it doesn't really make sense. After thinking about it a little, I don't think space Jesus was what they were ultimately getting at.
David's answer to Shaw as to why the ship is headed to Earth: "Sometimes to create, you must first destroy."
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If you're going to unleash ultra-hostile alien species that will make the planet uninhabitable for your own species, you may as well just level the planet with nuclear bombardment or slag it with asteroids.
When you have a sufficient level of bio-engineering skill to make the goop and the xenos, then questions are raised as to why you don't have self replicating starships that use conventional weaponry instead. The only way you can imagine that Xenomorphs are competitive in a military sense is because of their uncanny ability to summon mass-from-nowhere, grow at impossible rates, and face down foes that are woefully unprepared for them. If you imagine the Colonial Marines versus the Aliens en masse, the Aliens are going to get fucking slaughtered. Now consider the case where instead of the Colonial Marines you're fighting a far more advanced civilization who knows what they're dealing with.
Messypandas
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Who knows... Those maps were centuries old, maybe it was originally some kind of safe haven that became a weapons stockpile. Whats Guantanamo bay going to be in a thousand years? A McDonalds? Empires have rose and fallen since we got our asses off to space
The biggest mystery in the movie is how Shaw and David actually took off on another craft. David said he could fly it, but he's just a talking head. What did he do? Give Shaw exact instructions on how to pilot the thing? Does that mean Shaw got into the Space Jockey suit? Who played the flute? David or Shaw? I'm trying to imagine Shaw holding the flute to David's head as it sits on the control stand. The sequel could really be one of the best comedies of all time!
The rogue Engineers had a massive battle with the military Engineers and the military Engineers, after using a new weapon, won by one engineer. That survivor crawled into a stasis pod to sleep off his grievous brain injuries.
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It is implied I think that the movie takes place over two days, but they leave seven days after arriving. So there are at least a few days... to read the piloting manual and re-attach David's head to his body in a sleeping pod or something................
Messypandas
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We just need the big over-coat scene where Shaw sneaks around the military base with David's head on her head!
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Is it just me, or did Noomi look as cute as a button when she was all "I'm pregnant? How can I be pregnant?!" Something about the way she acted in that scene made her seem more mousey than usual...which apparently is what does it for me.
LaserBuddha
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Nothing David did (the flute or pushing those delightful squishy buttons) would be difficult to tell someone else to do. David also appeared to be able to control his body remotely to some degree. Maybe run a usb cable (3.0, of course) to it and he can have full control!
Hmmm... that timeline is actually an interesting point. Do they really take off days after the crash? Does that mean the Xenomorph doesn't actually burst out of the Engineer until days later?
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In the art book, you see the Xenomorph coming out of the body, and then walking outside.
I'm guessing that either way, originally the ship was supposed to leave for space in the background, with the xenomorph in the foreground.
Does that mean........ XENOMORPH WILL PILOT ANOTHER SHIP AND CHASE THEM?
edit: Holy shit wait, I'll post it, it might be the case.
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In the art book, you see the Xenomorph coming out of the body, and then walking outside.
I'm guessing that either way, originally the ship was supposed to leave for space in the background, with the xenomorph in the foreground.
Does that mean........ XENOMORPH WILL PILOT ANOTHER SHIP AND CHASE THEM?
Well...we know that Xenomorphs know how to sneak up on humans (always crawling around in the rafters out of plainsight of the motion sensors) and have at least some idea of how human machines work (elevator ride in Aliens at the end).
Is it really a stretch to think that they could pilot Engineer ships?! Not in the world of PROMETHEUS, buddy!
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"I'm starting to think about what I could do for a Prometheus 2"
"I'm starting to think about what I could do for a Prometheus 2"
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"I'm starting to think about what I could do for a Prometheus 2"
Wow, again.. The art style in the movie is so great. I don't know that I've seen a better looking movie, period.
About that xeno. That's clearly not (yet) the one from Alien, or Aliens, or even the one in the temple in Prometheus. Maybe it will grow into that, or maybe it hasn't evolved yet to that point.
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Isn't it exactly the same as the one that burst through the engineers chest at the end of the movie?
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Why would the planet been uninhabitable? On a long enough timeline the aliens would die off without new hosts. All that would be left would be the eggs which shouldn't be problematic for a team who knew what they were doing. Using xeno's as weapons is ideal because the don't damage infrastructure or resources unlike nuclear bombardment and asteroids. The rest of your post is a fair point but even with guns the marines could always be outnumbered by the glut of expendable xeno's the engineers could create.
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