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andycapps said:
What's a Deacon?
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According to the art book (or at least what someone in here said the artbook says) they referred to the Alien that pops out of the Engineer at the end as "Deacon" or "A Deacon".
 
pj said:
Another question I have. Why did the main dude get all depressed and alcoholic after finding ONE dead engineer? Why did everyone assume they were all dead?
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Because the characters in this movie are fucking STUPID.


IN SPACE, NO ONE HEARS YOU DERP
 
cyberheater said:
Isn't it exactly the same as the one that burst through the engineers chest at the end of the movie?
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Seems to be.

RubxQub said:
According to the art book (or at least what someone in here said the artbook says) they referred to the Alien that pops out of the Engineer at the end as "Deacon" or "A Deacon".
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That is a very interesting name to choose for the xeno. Wondering if it relates at all to the Christian idea of a deacon.
 
duckroll said:
Hmmm... that timeline is actually an interesting point. Do they really take off days after the crash? Does that mean the Xenomorph doesn't actually burst out of the Engineer until days later?
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Xeno's are clever and have some superior senses, but they're not omniscient. If Shaw and David weren't around the escape pod when the the alien came out, it wouldn't have anyway of knowing they were there. They could have easily been on the planet at the same time together and simply not known the other was there.

In all likely hood, Shaw and David wouldn't spend a long time around the escape pod. I know i wouldn't want to hang around the bodies of two aliens that had tried to kill me, no matter how dead they looked. They probably just would have gone in to get some supplies, if that, then headed out immediately to the other ship to prep it to leave. A little later baby xeno is born. Even if it knows there was someone else around by smell, it couldn't track them across a huge planet, when they had a car.
 
Scirrocco said:
Xeno's are clever and have some superior senses, but they're not omniscient. If Shaw and David weren't around the escape pod when the the alien came out, it wouldn't have anyway of knowing they were there. They could have easily been on the planet at the same time together and simply not known the other was there.

In all likely hood, Shaw and David wouldn't spend a long time around the escape pod. I know i wouldn't want to hang around the bodies of two aliens that had tried to kill me, no matter how dead they looked. They probably just would have gone in to get some supplies, if that, then headed out immediately to the other ship to prep it to leave. A little later baby xeno is born. Even if it knows there was someone else around by smell, it couldn't track them across a huge planet, when they had a car.
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So where do the 7 days come from?
 
Do we know for sure that David and Shaw are on that ship at the end of the movie. I know it's implied but do we know?
 
Ether_Snake said:
It would make sense than the Space Jockeys are limited in numbers, can't actually reproduce. The more they give life (through self-sacrifice), the fewer of them exist.

Sounds pretty stupid to create Xenomorphs because we rejected love-thy-neighbor though.
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A byproduct of the goo interacting with someone who is aggressive/violent. We see some evidence of this with Fifield, he starts to transform into a possible Xenos and attack everyone.

Drop a black goo container into a populated area and let the super powered mutations kill everyone.

Just look at Fifield, he takes multiples shots to the body and seemingly the head, is set on fire and run over by a tank but he's still moving...
 
andycapps said:
Wow, again.. The art style in the movie is so great. I don't know that I've seen a better looking movie, period.

About that xeno. That's clearly not (yet) the one from Alien, or Aliens, or even the one in the temple in Prometheus. Maybe it will grow into that, or maybe it hasn't evolved yet to that point.



What's a Deacon?
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Actually it looks a lot like the one in the temple, IMO.
 
andycapps said:
Seems to be.



That is a very interesting name to choose for the xeno. Wondering if it relates at all to the Christian idea of a deacon.
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Deacon is a ministry in the Christian Church that is generally associated with service of some kind, but which varies among theological and denominational traditions. In many traditions the "diaconate", the term for a deacon's office, is a clerical office; in others it is for laity.

Scott, in the artbook I think, says the design of the head was to be reminiscent of a bishop's mitre:p

Scirrocco said:
Xeno's are clever and have some superior senses, but they're not omniscient. If Shaw and David weren't around the escape pod when the the alien came out, it wouldn't have anyway of knowing they were there. They could have easily been on the planet at the same time together and simply not known the other was there.

In all likely hood, Shaw and David wouldn't spend a long time around the escape pod. I know i wouldn't want to hang around the bodies of two aliens that had tried to kill me, no matter how dead they looked. They probably just would have gone in to get some supplies, if that, then headed out immediately to the other ship to prep it to leave. A little later baby xeno is born. Even if it knows there was someone else around by smell, it couldn't track them across a huge planet, when they had a car.
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Unless these types of Xenomorphs remember what the engineer remembers.
 
cyberheater said:
I watched it for the second time last night. Managed to miss that bit.
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I meant I need to watch it again. Apologies if that came off as dickish.

I'm pretty sure he says right at the end, just before that nonsense about the year of our father, etc.

I have my doubts about her being a scientist, wouldn't surprise me if she was a creationist but one that believes aliens or 'something' pretending to be God created life.
 
Speedymanic said:
I meant I need to watch it again. Apologies if that came off as dickish.
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You're fine. I didn't get that at all.
Speedymanic said:
I'm pretty sure he says right at the end, just before that nonsense about the year of our father, etc.

I have my doubts about her being a scientist, wouldn't surprise me if she was a creationist but one that believes aliens or 'something' pretending to be God created life.
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I think she thinks that maybe god made the engineers.
 
pj said:
Another question I have. Why did the main dude get all depressed and alcoholic after finding ONE dead engineer? Why did everyone assume they were all dead? There were several identical structures within view of where they were, how about explore those? Maybe explore more of than two acres of the planet before giving up on your life's work? He didn't think maybe some of them escaped, or some managed to survive the outbreak somewhere close by, or that some managed to get into magic sleep pods?
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Why even be depressed in the first place?

You found creatures that are somehow related to us. Advanced life.

That isn't impressive in and of itself?

Solo said:
1. Fire your writers.
2. Divest yourself from creative control on the writing side.
3. Retcon the shit out of Prometheus.
4. Profit.
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Basically make a whole new franchise. This one is pretty much fucked.
 
duckroll said:
Hmmm... that timeline is actually an interesting point. Do they really take off days after the crash? Does that mean the Xenomorph doesn't actually burst out of the Engineer until days later?
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Shaw and David leave New Years day (as per her log), arrive Xmas day.
 
GuitarAtomik said:
Who's to say it was an invitation? Obviously the scientists interpret it that way but maybe they were wrong. Even David alludes to this when he mentions "If your thesis is correct.".
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Then why doodle the whereabouts of these biological weapons?

But then again if these Engineers really wanted to invite humans they would probably draw the location of their home planet, not LV 223 which is nothing but a facility to house these weapons.

Makes no fucking sense at all.
 
tycoonheart said:
Then why doodle the whereabouts of these biological weapons?

But then again if these Engineers really wanted to invite humans they would probably draw the location of their home planet, not LV 223 which is nothing but a facility to house these weapons.

Makes no fucking sense at all.
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Maybe it was a warning? Maybe they got the wrong planet?
 
A semi-relevant exchange from FLASH GORDON...

The Emperor Ming: Every thousand years, I test each life system in the Universe. I visit it with mysteries, earthquakes, unpredicted eclipses, strange craters in the wilderness... If these are taken as natural, I judge that system ignorant and harmless - I spare it. But if the Hand of Ming is recognized in these events, I judge that system dangerous to us. I call upon the great god Dyzan, and for his greater glory...

[leans forward, smiling]

The Emperor Ming: ... and for our mutual pleasure...

[leans back again]

The Emperor Ming: ... I destroy it utterly.

Doctor Hans Zarkov: You're saying... it's my fault the Earth is being destroyed?

The Emperor Ming: [grinning] Precisely... Doctor!
 
thirty said:
jesus as an engineer is a joke. the movie said the engineers build and destroy worlds. for all we know they're trying to seed the universe with "human" form to combat other alien hostiles. i think the human head statue supports this theory.

the biggest thing that bothers me about the plot is the damn cave paintings. how on earth did they get an invitation from that? were ancient people on earth visited by engineers? this makes absolutely no sense to me.

the other holes in the movie didn't bother me so much.

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The Jesus thing was mentioned in an interview where Scott said they threw that idea out.. Now it is interesting that they decided to exterminate us around the time of Jesus, but that could have been for any number of reasons, and its one of the questions the story presents. It doesnt mean space jesus.

As for the starmaps, they make sense. They visted us, taught us and left reminders of where we could find them should we advance enough. We painted the map as they told us to. How is that a plot hole?

lednerg said:
When she got into the medibot for her surgery, wasn't she just in the process of being hunted down by two crew members? Where did they go off to?
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Yeah this part really needed some explanation. If I had to guess, deleted scenes/editing are the cause of this issue.

Solo said:
"Oh my god, we're on a weird planet and bloodthirsdty aliens are hunting us!"

is a much more primal and terryfing premise than

"Oh my god, we're on a weird planet we visited in search of our origins and our makers have set bloodthirsty alien biological weapons on us to hunt us because we killed Jesus!"
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Sounds like you wanted Alien part 2?

Also, how the hell isnt a story about finding we were created by aliens a very long time ago that now want us destroyed not fucking scary/tense/creepy? Movies flaws aside, the premise of the film is fine.
 
Solo said:
1. Fire your writers.
2. Divest yourself from creative control on the writing side.
3. Retcon the shit out of Prometheus.
4. Profit.
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Here's an idea, at the beginning of Prometheus 2, Ridley Scott introduces it by answering all the questions from the first (written by Lindelof of course) while playing your favorite gif in the background.
 
So we know that this isn't exactly a prequel to Alien, so what are some of the exact plot elements from this that don't fit into that universe. They share too much imo to have jarring holes between the two, though.

Also, I think I got what happened at the very beginning with that suicide scene, but can anyone break it down for me exactly? As in, when it happened, where, why etc.
 
Tookay said:
Why even be depressed in the first place?

You found creatures that are somehow related to us. Advanced life.

That isn't impressive in and of itself?
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He was depressed because they didn't find anyone alive to speak to. They all went to go meet their makers, and all they found was a decapitated dead guy who was probably their creator.

He cheered up when he heard that the DNA was an exact match, but he was depressed that he didn't have a chance to talk to them directly. The scene with Shah and him in their room covers that bit.
 
Sentry said:
So we know that this isn't exactly a prequel to Alien, so what are some of the exact plot elements from this that don't fit into that universe. They share too much imo to have jarring holes between the two, though.

Also, I think I got what happened at the very beginning with that suicide scene, but can anyone break it down for me exactly? As in, when it happened, where, why etc.
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Well they are the same universe, what they meant was that this story was standalone and telling a new story in the same universe rather than simply setting up the film Alien.

As for the beginning it is a bit ambiguous how and where they create life, but it seems they used the same basis of the black goop to do so. Whether or not this is how they created humans is left open but it certainly seems to play a role in it.
 
That's what I figured, basically a sacrificial sort of thing to seed life from the remains of one 'man'. I'm still waiting to see a female version of the engineers/giants... has that been touched upon at all?
 
Watched it yesterday. Loved it! Love the ambiguity just like Alien. Though there were a few problems. Like no one bothered to question why Show was all bloody etc etc.
 
io9 has an article up entitled '10 Thing You Didn't Know About Prometheus.'

They have some concept art from the artbook as well.

http://io9.com/5917639/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-design-of-prometheus

Has some insights about the differences between Spaihts and Lindelof's drafts.

10. We could have gotten to see Mars being terraformed.
The designers did "some very nice work" on the orbiting space station where Peter Weyland has his office, according to production designer Arthur Max. This included "a very interesting space colony that was orbiting around the planet Mars. There was a base for terraforming Mars." This whole sequence got cut before shooting, because it was too lengthy and slowed down the pacing of the film. But you can glimpse a teeny bit of it in the hologram released by the Weyland Corporation.

Writer Jon Spaihts says his drafts involved a meeting in Weyland's office — which at various times was either on a space station, or actually on the surface of Mars, right in the middle of the terraforming project. "Terraforming was much more Mr. Weyland's burning dream in my drafts," says Spaihts.

Oh, and as for why Weyland is played by Guy Pearce in old-man makeup, Spaihts says Damon Lindelof's script showed the android David going inside Weyland's dreams while he was in hypersleep — and in his dreams, Weyland is a young man, on a yacht surrounded by beautiful women. These dream conversations got cut, but Pearce's casting was already locked in. Scott had originally wanted to cast Max von Sydow as Peter Weyland. (In Spaiht's script versions, Weyland isn't aboard the Prometheus at all — instead, there's a hidden squad of company soldiers.)
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RubxQub said:
According to the art book (or at least what someone in here said the artbook says) they referred to the Alien that pops out of the Engineer at the end as "Deacon" or "A Deacon".
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Speaking of this, does anyone have the artbook yet? I had pre-ordered it a while ago but amazon hasn't shipped it yet.
 
symphonask said:
io9 has an article up entitled '10 Thing You Didn't Know About Prometheus.'

They have some concept art from the artbook as well.

http://io9.com/5917639/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-design-of-prometheus

Has some insights about the differences between Spaihts and Lindelof's drafts.
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Oh god the Alien altar is simply a homage to H.R. Geiger, it is not signficant to the plot of the movie at all it seems. :/

3. There's an altar to H.R. Giger inside the "Head Room."

Says Messing:

Another set that I worked on was known as the "Head Room." This was a ceremonial room that contained hundreds of ampules beneath a giant sculpture of an Engineer's head. Julian Caldrow did an amazing job of working out all of the details for this environment and created the set drawings. The final set was built at full scale and was incredible to walk on. I also sculpted an altar area for this set that paid homage to Giger -it is a relief sculpture hanging from the wall and has the impression of an alien form with flowing structures surrounding it. There are a lot of easter eggs in this sculpture — including several hidden Giger motifs that were not used in the original film
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There's probably already been a million user reviews, but I'll give a quick some up of my thoughts:

+ Absolutely stunning movie

+ CGI, props, everything just looks real; can't think of a cheesy thing that looked bad

+ There was some good intrigue and mystery

+ Fassbender was pretty charismatic


-The story had so many inconsistencies and flaws; a ton of little things that add up

-most of the characters are lame, cheesy, cliche, one-dimensional


Basically, although I could only really list two points, so to be vague, those are two major things to me. Basically I'd say this was an okay movie, nothing great. It was absolutely visually stunning though, and at times the horror parts of it made it really fun. I went to the theater with a friend who isn't even a huge movie buff or anything, but as soon as we got in the car, and started talking about the movie, we immediately were pointing inconsistencies and shit to each other.

Kind of feels like how a lot of general modern video games feel; lot of flair and beautiful visuals, but it lacks character and just doesn't have the non-visual fundamentals to back it up. It's still a fun watch though I guess, but it's not a great movie.
 
symphonask said:
io9 has an article up entitled '10 Thing You Didn't Know About Prometheus.'

They have some concept art from the artbook as well.

http://io9.com/5917639/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-design-of-prometheus

Has some insights about the differences between Spaihts and Lindelof's drafts.
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Thats an awesome article, man Im gonna see if I can scrap some money together to buy the artbook from Amazon..

Interesting that the Goblin Shark did play a role in designing the "Deacon/Proto-Alien". I wish they would have went more Goblin Shark with the mouth because while it resembles it in the film, it looks kinda weird.

JB1981 said:
Oh god the Alien altar is simply a homage to H.R. Geiger, it is not signficant to the plot of the movie at all it seems. :/

3. There's an altar to H.R. Giger inside the "Head Room."

Says Messing:
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The idea may have not been for story driven purposes, but it is very much part of the story now, and Scott approved it and filmed the Alien in the sculpture, so I don't think its unrelated.
 
Sentry said:
That's what I figured, basically a sacrificial sort of thing to seed life from the remains of one 'man'. I'm still waiting to see a female version of the engineers/giants... has that been touched upon at all?
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It hasn't. One assumes they exists. The alternative is that they reproduce Asexually or were created by another more advanced species but that just opens a whole can of worms.

One thing a friend mentioned to me earlier (he's already seen it four times, crazy bastard), the guards outside the map room are roughly the same size as the SJ in the seat in Alien. Anyone notice them as I completely missed them.
 
Speedymanic said:
It hasn't. One assumes they exists. The alternative is that they reproduce Asexually or were created by another more advanced species but that just opens a whole can of worms.

One thing a friend mentioned to me earlier (he's already seen it four times, crazy bastard), the guards outside the map room are roughly the same size as the SJ in the seat in Alien. Anyone notice them as I completely missed them.
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This franchise is pretty much all about cans of worms.

Maybe the difference between males and females is their size. The "smaller" ones are female (or vice versa).
 
Mondriaan said:
This franchise is pretty much all about cans of worms.

Maybe the difference between males and females is their size. The "smaller" ones are female (or vice versa).
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This sounds plausible. The engineers in the hologram did appear to be slightly different in size. Same goes for the bodies stacked up, but it's harder to tell there.

Appearance wise, I wouldn't be surprised if they looked alike/male and female aren't easily distinguishable.
 
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