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Saw it again yesterday with the GF. This time in a properly calibrated 3D projector and holy crap it was beautiful. First time when they fucked it up I couldnt see shit compared to how I watched it this time.

Still loved it, GF surprisingly liked it too, besides c-section scenes and whatnot, lol
 
Saw it again yesterday with the GF. This time in a properly calibrated 3D projector and holy crap it was beautiful. First time when they fucked it up I couldnt see shit compared to how I watched it this time.

Still loved it, GF surprisingly liked it too, besides c-section scenes and whatnot, lol

I think it is the best looking film I have ever watched, simply amazing. The storm scene in 3d was genius.
 
ok guys you win, i hate this fucking movie now.

fuck you Lindork you piece of shit hack, you are so talentless at writing.

That said, I'm still watching Prometheus 2 so I can see what happens. Fuck me.
 
ok guys you win, i hate this fucking movie now.

fuck you Lindork you piece of shit hack, you are so talentless at writing.

That said, I'm still watching Prometheus 2 so I can see what happens. Fuck me.
I came in here really expecting GAF to sour me on the film before seeing it again, but it did that by itself on a second viewing :P Makes me appreciate good writing in films.

Visually, it's absolutely stunning, and dat typography in the opening credits. (Pity they use Bank Gothic or something very similar later on in the film, though that's par for the course for films showing 'futuristic' settings these days). Film is just a mess though, nearly all the scenes have ridiculous logic/continuity/believability flaws in them - I haven't seen Lost but from the responses here this kind of open-ended writing that doesn't hold up to any scrutiny seems like Lindelof's style? Shame :(
 
I came in here really expecting GAF to sour me on the film before seeing it again, but it did that by itself on a second viewing :P Makes me appreciate good writing in films.

Visually, it's absolutely stunning, and dat typography in the opening credits. (Pity they use Bank Gothic or something very similar later on in the film, though that's par for the course for films showing 'futuristic' settings these days). Film is just a mess though, nearly all the scenes have ridiculous logic/continuity/believability flaws in them - I haven't seen Lost but from the responses here this kind of open-ended writing that doesn't hold up to any scrutiny seems like Lindelof's style? Shame :(

Yeah, it is a beautiful mess. Normally I like that in a person, but in a film... not so much. And yeah, I watched enough Lost to know that is what he does. I thought he may not in a film, but here we are.
 
Finally saw Prometheus today with the GF. Had wanted to see it opening weekend, but schedule conflicts and travel prevented us from seeing it until today and we wanted to see it together. She absolutely hated it and struggled to find anything good to say about it. I think I came away just severely disappointed. The film was looked fantastic and I enjoyed the opening set-up, but Prometheus had some of the worst storytelling I've ever seen. Logic was tossed out the window, scenes were schizophrenic and there was way too much crammed into the context of the two hours.

This is a classic case of the writers going way overboard. The movie could have benefited from just keeping it simple and straightforward, and yet they felt they had to add all kinds of unnecessary stuff for no real reason. I stayed mostly spoiler free before going in, but now I understand why so many people felt so let down by this movie.
 
I came in here really expecting GAF to sour me on the film before seeing it again, but it did that by itself on a second viewing :P Makes me appreciate good writing in films.

I would love Paul Thomas Anderson to write and direct 2, Scott being the idea man handing off a laundry list of concepts to a terrible writer was never going to bring good results, we need a single clear vision.
 
Don´t know if was posted here:

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Why would any self-respecting director want to be involved with the sequel to this crap?

Same reason lot's of good directors do franchise films, tons of money to play around will as well as lots of money to put in their own banks.

PTA would be my dream for it, but there are many others I'd be happy with.
 
ok guys you win, i hate this fucking movie now.

fuck you Lindork you piece of shit hack, you are so talentless at writing.

That said, I'm still watching Prometheus 2 so I can see what happens. Fuck me.

has Prometheus been successful enough? I figured this movie was going to fail in ticket sales whether the fanboys were satisfied or not.
 
has Prometheus been successful enough? I figured this movie was going to fail in ticket sales whether the fanboys were satisfied or not.

Probably isn't quite there yet, but it is closing in on being successful enough. The U.S. take is holding steady and it's doing fairly well world wide, despite how bad it is.
 
This thread is ridiculous...

Anyway, I absolutely loved it. I was hoping to see an expanded look into the Alien universe and in that I got a nice dose of interesting information and I'm excited to see where they go from here. I didn't find the plot nearly as convoluted or confusing as people are making it out to be. It certainly wasn't perfect, but it is by no means a complete mess and an abomination of a film like most are trying to desperately to spread here. I loved seeing the some of the origins of ideas and concepts that permeated throughout the series. I expect a lot of the questions people have will be answered in a new film, as I didn't expect everything to be covered in one film. My brother loved it too. He is just as critical as I am of films and he enjoyed it.

I can't wait for Comic-Con. Hopefully there is something good to come from it.

Also, I gotta say... this is the nicest looking film I've seen in a long, long time. Absolutely beautiful. We had to see the 3D version because it was the only one left, but I actually liked it use of 3D because it wasn't obvious and forced, but instead natural and organic. It certainly made certain scenes much better because of the subtle use of depth. Bravo, Ridley. Bravo.

Anyway, I'm out of here. This thread is crazy.
 
This thread is ridiculous...

Anyway, I absolutely loved it. I was hoping to see an expanded look into the Alien universe and in that I got a nice dose of interesting information and I'm excited to see where they go from here. I didn't find the plot nearly as convoluted or confusing as people are making it out to be. It certainly wasn't perfect, but it is by no means a complete mess and an abomination of a film like most are trying to desperately to spread here. I loved seeing the some of the origins of ideas and concepts that permeated throughout the series. I expect a lot of the questions people have will be answered in a new film, as I didn't expect everything to be covered in one film. My brother loved it too. He is just as critical as I am of films and he enjoyed it.

I can't wait for Comic-Con. Hopefully there is something good to come from it.

Also, I gotta say... this is the nicest looking film I've seen in a long, long time. Absolutely beautiful. We had to see the 3D version because it was the only one left, but I actually liked it use of 3D because it wasn't obvious and forced, but instead natural and organic. It certainly made certain scenes much better because of the subtle use of depth. Bravo, Ridley. Bravo.

Anyway, I'm out of here. This thread is crazy.



No truer words have been spoken in this thread.
 
I got a nice dose of interesting information and I'm excited to see where they go from here. I didn't find the plot nearly as convoluted or confusing as people are making it out to be. It certainly wasn't perfect, but it is by no means a complete mess and an abomination of a film like most are trying to desperately to spread here. I loved seeing the some of the origins of ideas and concepts that permeated throughout the series. I expect a lot of the questions people have will be answered in a new film, as I didn't expect everything to be covered in one film. My brother loved it too. He is just as critical as I am of films and he enjoyed it.

Sorry, it's a mess, one day you will watch a movie that was put together with competence and you will be blown away.
 
This thread is ridiculous...

Anyway, I absolutely loved it.

You should never feel defensive about being so easily entertained. It's a gift.


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I was listening to a podcast with Mark Duplass (Cyrus, Baghead) today and he made a comment that really struck me. It was that when you write a movie, you should always have the 'bones of it' be a very common, universal trope. Mother/son tension, love triangles, Love defeats Evil, etc etc.

As long as you have a story that follows a common theme it will always end (to the viewer) in a satisfying way. You can then flesh out nuance and differences within that primitive structure and add your own voice to it and make it a unique experience.

That's why movies like Avatar, A.I. and Star Wars:ANH 'work' and a movie like Prometheus does not (this is my opinion here and not something Duplass said). You need that anchor to always bring you back and make proper decisions when crafting a film to get back to a certain endpoint. Otherwise, you have what happened to Prometheus.
 
Well, can't you? Is that why you're apparently demanding others stop disagreeing with you?

Where have I written that I demand people to stop disagreeing with me? I just said that people can enjoy the movie without others telling that they are wrong and how shitty e movie is
 
You should never feel defensive about being so easily entertained. It's a gift.
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Where have I written that I demand people to stop disagreeing with me? I just said that people can enjoy the movie without others telling that they are wrong and how shitty e movie is
Are you against the very concept of discussing a movie's merits and fault?
Why are you in this thread then?
 
Where have I written that I demand people to stop disagreeing with me? I just said that people can enjoy the movie without others telling that they are wrong and how shitty e movie is
I guess I just don't see how you'd expect that to work...

(... and I believe this conversation actually started with people stating the thread was crazy for not liking the movie... huh!)
 
This thread is ridiculous...

Anyway, I absolutely loved it. I was hoping to see an expanded look into the Alien universe and in that I got a nice dose of interesting information and I'm excited to see where they go from here. I didn't find the plot nearly as convoluted or confusing as people are making it out to be. It certainly wasn't perfect, but it is by no means a complete mess and an abomination of a film like most are trying to desperately to spread here. I loved seeing the some of the origins of ideas and concepts that permeated throughout the series. I expect a lot of the questions people have will be answered in a new film, as I didn't expect everything to be covered in one film. My brother loved it too. He is just as critical as I am of films and he enjoyed it.

I can't wait for Comic-Con. Hopefully there is something good to come from it.

Also, I gotta say... this is the nicest looking film I've seen in a long, long time. Absolutely beautiful. We had to see the 3D version because it was the only one left, but I actually liked it use of 3D because it wasn't obvious and forced, but instead natural and organic. It certainly made certain scenes much better because of the subtle use of depth. Bravo, Ridley. Bravo.

Anyway, I'm out of here. This thread is crazy.

Why get your hackles up about bad reviews of a film? What's it to you? You think people are "desperately trying to spread" the idea the film's a mess? Has someone here been handing out flyers? Buying TV time?

Most people in the thread agree with the second half of your post on the look of the film. But they're all trying to spread misinformation, so you're in on it too!!
 
Just realized this: Weyland Yutani must have gotten the jockey ship by the time Aliens takes place, no?

Funny it never had any impact in the series.
 
You should never feel defensive about being so easily entertained. It's a gift.


-- // --

I was listening to a podcast with Mark Duplass (Cyrus, Baghead) today and he made a comment that really struck me. It was that when you write a movie, you should always have the 'bones of it' be a very common, universal trope. Mother/son tension, love triangles, Love defeats Evil, etc etc.

As long as you have a story that follows a common theme it will always end (to the viewer) in a satisfying way. You can then flesh out nuance and differences within that primitive structure and add your own voice to it and make it a unique experience.

That's why movies like Avatar, A.I. and Star Wars:ANH 'work' and a movie like Prometheus does not (this is my opinion here and not something Duplass said). You need that anchor to always bring you back and make proper decisions when crafting a film to get back to a certain endpoint. Otherwise, you have what happened to Prometheus.

It worked for Shakespeare.
 
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Are you against the very concept of discussing a movie's merits and fault?
Why are you in this thread then?

Of course not, but I'm franky tired that when someone likes the movie they get the "no u wrong, movie sucks!" and yes I know the movie has flaws but I really like it anyways
 
Of course not, but I'm franky tired that when someone likes the movie they get the "no u wrong, movie sucks!" and yes I know the movie has flaws but I really like it anyways
And I'm tired of the prosecution complex of anyone who is in minority opinion on GAF.
You gotta learn to live with that shit.
 
I do believe that this film is getting more hate than it deserves by some. Most of this is due to the hype (and then disappointment) surrounding the film, which was created by Ridley Scott returning to Sci-Fi and the Alien universe. Prometheus has its flaws and by no means does it deserve to be a praised as a great film or anything close to that. However some are acting as if it's the worst piece of shit created in the past 10 years.

I'm not pointing the finger at anyone on GAF just a general feeling by reading some of the reviews on various sites.
 
Came back from a second viewing. Enjoyed it a lot more this time.

Funny thing is, I wasn't that bothered by the pace of the film this time around. And I wasn't that bothered by Vickers' "Father" line this time, either. In fact, I thoroughly enjoyed almost all of it. Weird.

Looking forward to the blu ray.
 
Came back from a second viewing. Enjoyed it a lot more this time.

Funny thing is, I wasn't that bothered by the pace of the film this time around. And I wasn't that bothered by Vickers' "Father" line this time, either. In fact, I thoroughly enjoyed almost all of it. Weird.

Looking forward to the blu ray.

my brother and i enjoyed it a lot more our second time as well. but then maybe i'm trying to make myself like it like i did with the phantom menace.
 
You should never feel defensive about being so easily entertained. It's a gift.


-- // --

I was listening to a podcast with Mark Duplass (Cyrus, Baghead) today and he made a comment that really struck me. It was that when you write a movie, you should always have the 'bones of it' be a very common, universal trope. Mother/son tension, love triangles, Love defeats Evil, etc etc.

As long as you have a story that follows a common theme it will always end (to the viewer) in a satisfying way. You can then flesh out nuance and differences within that primitive structure and add your own voice to it and make it a unique experience.

That's why movies like Avatar, A.I. and Star Wars:ANH 'work' and a movie like Prometheus does not (this is my opinion here and not something Duplass said). You need that anchor to always bring you back and make proper decisions when crafting a film to get back to a certain endpoint. Otherwise, you have what happened to Prometheus.

I think you can do a non universal, completely original trope for your movie, but you better be freaking good at it, like Nobel of literature good, to go ahead with that. Otherwise, you are just being arrogant to your audience, forcing them to understand and care about something only you understand and care about.
 
my brother and i enjoyed it a lot more our second time as well. but then maybe i'm trying to make myself like it like i did with the phantom menace.

I'm coming around to the idea that it's a really well made film with some writing problems. I like the film a lot now. Definitely want to see a sequel.
 
You should never feel defensive about being so easily entertained. It's a gift.


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I was listening to a podcast with Mark Duplass (Cyrus, Baghead) today and he made a comment that really struck me. It was that when you write a movie, you should always have the 'bones of it' be a very common, universal trope. Mother/son tension, love triangles, Love defeats Evil, etc etc.

As long as you have a story that follows a common theme it will always end (to the viewer) in a satisfying way. You can then flesh out nuance and differences within that primitive structure and add your own voice to it and make it a unique experience.

That's why movies like Avatar, A.I. and Star Wars:ANH 'work' and a movie like Prometheus does not (this is my opinion here and not something Duplass said). You need that anchor to always bring you back and make proper decisions when crafting a film to get back to a certain endpoint. Otherwise, you have what happened to Prometheus.

this mindset is awful and only applies to people who can't write with ambition. I'd rather watch something that fails at doing something different than see the same movie again.
 
this mindset is awful and only applies to people who can't write with ambition. I'd rather watch something that fails at doing something different than see the same movie again.
"As long as you have a story that follows a common theme it will always end (to the viewer) in a satisfying way. You can then flesh out nuance and differences within that primitive structure and add your own voice to it and make it a unique experience."

(Also, there's being ambitious, and there's being merely pretentious.)
 
this mindset is awful and only applies to people who can't write with ambition. I'd rather watch something that fails at doing something different than see the same movie again.
But what is Prometheus ambition?
It wants to talk about big subjects - god, life, death, creation.
And that's great.
But it have nothing interesting and insightful to say about those thing.
This type of failure does not interests me.

Now compare it to another failed sci-fi film, Solaris (Soderbergh's version).
The movie doesn't quite work and I wouldn't really recommend it to people, but if someone were to get over its faults, there are interesting ideas being explored in an interesting way.
What is there to find in Prometheus' writing if you get over the faults?

I still maintain think the best way to enjoy the film is to completely shut your brain and enjoy the pretty pictures.

Edit: also, I do realize it's a personal preference, I don't think that an Alien need that type of big theme ambition.
Sure, Alien (and to a varying degree its sequels) had some very interesting subtexts (MALE RAPE!) but it was always in the background.
The story itself is quite simple.
 
Damn. I told myself not to check the thread but curiosity got the better of me. I had a lot more responses planned, but it isn't worth getting into it. I will say however...

Sorry, it's a mess, one day you will watch a movie that was put together with competence and you will be blown away.

Ah, insults... Thank you for proving my point.

(... and I believe this conversation actually started with people stating the thread was crazy for not liking the movie... huh!)

Assuming you are talking about me going by the sequence of responses, that isn't true. If you want to believe that, by all means! You aren't going to find anything though.

Why get your hackles up about bad reviews of a film? What's it to you? You think people are "desperately trying to spread" the idea the film's a mess? Has someone here been handing out flyers? Buying TV time?

Most people in the thread agree with the second half of your post on the look of the film. But they're all trying to spread misinformation, so you're in on it too!!

Uh, what? Who quoted me and got all worked about it? You. Look, I am not actively trying to prove their opinion wrong. I don't care, but I will say that I disagree. I simply wanted to state that after seeing the film that while I don't think its perfect, it isn't "nearly" the mess people are trying to tell everyone it is, like B_Rik. Really? Flyers and TV time? Come on... I disagree with people about the film, but I'm not insulting anyone. We move on. If you don't like the film, so be it. Doesn't affect my life. I'd sure like to see a sequel though!

By the way, I called the thread ridiculous because this thread is all over the place. It was a jestful comment (albeit I could've been more clear), but you don't need to get worked up about it. I don't see much difference than going into a thread that has been hijacked by a photoshop spree and posting that same comment, and then participating in it.

And yes, the film does look phenomenal. I wish more films has the aesthetic look of this film, because though it was very sci-fi, it felt really natural. Ridley Scott knows how to make good looking films. I'd like to know what camera he and the DP used for the movie because it has such a clean image. By the way, the opening sequence... amazing.

As for the idea about ambition and tropes, I personally think Prometheus looks to talk more about faith than god, life, death and creation... I think a lot of the film revolves around faith in an idea and what extremes people are willing to go to for them. Starting right from the beginning of the film in the creation life, Weyland building a trillion dollar space ship built to send people to a planet based on some hieroglyphics a few people found, the lack of "faith" in the science team from Vickers, the pilots and the captain going all the way in sacrificing themselves to end a potential threat to Earth, all the way to the end where Shaw takes off to find out where the origin of the origin comes from. I am missing a few, but I found a lot of it the film revolves more around faith than anything else.
 
Assuming you are talking about me going by the sequence of responses
... And the fact I closely paraphrased what you said in that post? Seems like a fair "assumption", yes.
Not that I was only talking about you, but... yeah...

By the way, I called the thread ridiculous because this thread is all over the place. It was a jestful comment (albeit I could've been more clear)
If you were just joking when you called the thread "ridiculous" / "crazy" / "I'm out of here" and are now trying to clarify that bit, maybe "I told myself not to check the thread but curiosity got the better of me. I had a lot more responses planned, but it isn't worth getting into it." isn't the best of intros...
("All over the place", indeed...)
 
Saw it last night, certain elements of the movie were a bit puzzling (some in a good way, some in a bad way). Visuals and atmosphere were amazing. A decent amount of amazing scenes, but I wish they were connected together in a better way somehow.

I wish they had more of the TED talk vibe in there somehow. I miss that inspirational arrogance of young Weyland.

I liked it.
 
About the Engineer and Shaw scene: David warns Shaw that the Engineer is coming for her. Setting aside how he knew that, he sure waited a long time to tell her. The Engineer would have to leave the room, escape the ship, and walk all the way over to the escape pod - at which point David chimes in and tells her to watch out. Thanks for the heads up, dude!
Unsurprising. David was a total bitch for most of the film - so catty.

Incidentally, a few times during that intro sequence I imagined him as Tim Gunn - made it far more entertaining.
 
But what is Prometheus ambition?
It wants to talk about big subjects - god, life, death, creation.
And that's great.
But it have nothing interesting and insightful to say about those thing.
This type of failure does not interests me.

Now compare it to another failed sci-fi film, Solaris (Soderbergh's version).
The movie doesn't quite work and I wouldn't really recommend it to people, but if someone were to get over its faults, there are interesting ideas being explored in an interesting way.
What is there to find in Prometheus' writing if you get over the faults?

I still maintain think the best way to enjoy the film is to completely shut your brain and enjoy the pretty pictures.

Edit: also, I do realize it's a personal preference, I don't think that an Alien need that type of big theme ambition.
Sure, Alien (and to a varying degree its sequels) had some very interesting subtexts (MALE RAPE!) but it was always in the background.
The story itself is quite simple.

I wasn't trying to imply that Prometheus was a good example of this. I was just addressing the more general point that post was making. Prometheus has a few decent ideas, but nothing really to write home about (especially since those ideas aren't particularly new)

I mean, I think a movie about the creator's of life could be done fantastically well... but not with the kind of structure this film decided to take.
 
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