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JonnyBrad said:
Yep. This is much better explained in the Directors cut. Although the Hadlee's Hope family getting facehugged scene is pretty naff and you can see why they cut it.

Also made me laugh that the head of the colony in Aliens basically plays the same part as captain of Red Dwarf.
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Mac MacDonald, the man in Fifth Element who plays a cop eating McDonald's next to a giant McDonald's billboard.
 
ToxicAdam said:
I think this movie would have been okay with me if they:

1) Better fleshed out the motivations of David's character.
2) Better fleshed out the motivations of the Engineers.
3) Have Weyland's daughter have some kind of arc and relevance to the story.

Also, never include that last scene. Completely irrelevant and pandering. It felt like that cheesy 80's move where the bad guy would raise one hand out of the water and then it would fade to black.
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In any other film, this would have been terrible, but considering how shit the rest of the plot was, I found the pandering to be the most satisfying pay off.


B_Rik_Schitthaus said:
'...father.'

*Music sting*
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Ha, yeah. I though I missed the significance of that reveal. But then I realised there was no significance. (Unless I am wrong?)
 
goodfella said:
Worst part of the film?

When the Engineer wakes up and attacks the crew like some generic monster.
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No, the worst part is when the zombie geologist comes back to the ship. It's all the stupidity of the movie snowballing into a giant ball of shit.

Then Elba opens the door.
 
No 'how did you get here' or 'how long was I asleep' or 'how did you learn to speak our language'... Just straight up time to kill everyone!
 
Nappuccino said:
All I'm saying is that thinking that there are aliens out there and wanting to obtain their samples for research doesn't inherently require them to have any idea about the events of Prometheus.
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I think the effort to which they went implies they do. The Nostromo was deliberately directed to that planet, even though it was off course of where they were coming from, and Ash was placed on board at the last minute with orders to *let the crew die* if it meant getting a sample.

I don't get what you're even arguing. It's kind of essential to Alien that the company knew they were sending that ship somewhere dangerous and that the crew was expendable.

Again, what makes you (or the person I was responding to in the first place) think they *don't* know what happened to the Prometheus? Why is it so important to you that they don't?
 
maharg said:
I think the effort to which they went implies they do. The Nostromo was deliberately directed to that planet, even though it was off course of where they were coming from, and Ash was placed on board at the last minute with orders to *let the crew die* if it meant getting a sample.

I don't get what you're even arguing. It's kind of essential to Alien that the company knew they were sending that ship somewhere dangerous and that the crew was expendable.

Again, what makes you (or the person I was responding to in the first place) think they *don't* know what happened to the Prometheus? Why is it so important to you that they don't?
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I'm not arguing that W/Y didn't have a good idea that there was an alien or, at least, something dangerous on lv426.

But Prometheus makes it pretty clear that they couldn't get word back to earth "If we don't stop it, there won't be any home to go back to" only makes sense if they couldn't radio to earth to warn them about it. Instead of sending a message to earth to warn them, they just crash into the SJ's.

To me, this seems to imply that they weren't in contact with earth or any humans at all.

So really, all I'm arguing is that the events of Alien most likely weren't the direct response of finding the SJ in Prometheus. Especially because, if they did think something happened to the crew of Prometheus involving aliens, they would have just flown back to that moon because they knew what was actually happening on that planet.

What happens in Alien is caused by the company being fairly sure about lv426 having something worth getting. But as it stands (this may change in prometheus 2) I don't think the movies have a direct causal link.

For the record, it isn't important to me that W/Y doesn't know what happened in Prometheus. But if we're going to make theories, I'd like to stick to what the movies reinforce.
 
Teh Hamburglar said:
Im watching Aliens and had a question. If there have been colonists terraforming LV244 for 60 years why have they lost contact with them days after Ripley is picked up in hypersleep? Were the aliens just chillin for 60 years before they decided to harvest the colonists? Can somebody give me the timeline of events?
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I think the Director's Cut makes it clear they lose contact with the colony months or even years after Ripley is woken back up. She's been looking for work for a while and can't hold down a job when the dude comes to tell her.
 
Nappuccino said:
To me, this seems to imply that they weren't in contact with earth or any humans at all.
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To me it seems to imply that the writer didn't think of that option.
Or that he did, but couldn't be bothered.
Or that he did, bothered, but Idris Elba refuse to die eating alien cock.

But seriously, you are giving the screenplay waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to much credit if you ask me.
 
Teh Hamburglar said:
Im watching Aliens and had a question. If there have been colonists terraforming LV244 for 60 years why have they lost contact with them days after Ripley is picked up in hypersleep? Were the aliens just chillin for 60 years before they decided to harvest the colonists? Can somebody give me the timeline of events?
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It is explained better in the director's cut.

When Ripley came back, she had to give a report on what happened to the Nostromo to the Company. Burke found the grid reference (location of the Engineer ship) in Ripley's report and sent it to the colony telling them to send a survey team to check the ship out (if it even exists). He doesn't go through official channels (i.e. Colonial Administration, Feds, Commerce) because he wants the prize for himself (and by extension the Company)

The colonists do send a survey team (Newt's own family, coincidentally) and one of them (her father) gets facehugged. He's brought back to the colony and it doesn't take much imagination to see how things go to complete shit from there. More teams were probably sent to the Engineer ship since there are facehuggers being kept alive in stasis in the colony's own med labs, but an alien got away (likely the queen) and well there you go.

Also, they send the marines in weeks after Ripley wakes up, not months or years.
 
Sub_Level said:
It is explained better in the director's cut.

When Ripley came back, she had to give a report on what happened to the Nostromo to the Company. Burke found the grid reference (location of the Engineer ship) in Ripley's report and sent it to the colony telling them to send a survey team to check the ship out (if it even exists). He doesn't go through official channels (i.e. Colonial Administration, Feds, Commerce) because he wants the prize for himself (and by extension the Company)

The colonists do send a survey team (Newt's own family, coincidentally) and one of them (her father) gets facehugged. He's brought back to the colony and it doesn't take much imagination to see how things go to complete shit from there. More teams were probably sent to the Engineer ship since there are facehuggers being kept alive in stasis in the colony's own med labs, but an alien got away (likely the queen) and well there you go.

Also, they send the marines in weeks after Ripley wakes up, not months or years.
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Said scene(s).
It also has a Shinning homage.
 
goodfella said:
Worst part of the film?

When the Engineer wakes up and attacks the crew like some generic monster.
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No no no first of all the engineer make-up is awesome and when he sat on that seat my balls imploded.

Also it was a very significant scene in the movie because it told weyland (us), that yeah there really isn't a great mystery to life.
 
zoukka said:
No no no first of all the engineer make-up is awesome and when he sat on that seat my balls imploded.

Also it was a very significant scene in the movie because it told weyland (us), that yeah there really isn't a great mystery to life.
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One of the best scenes.
There were so many beautiful scenes and shots in Prometheus, so at least it has that going for it.
 
Chichikov said:
To me it seems to imply that the writer didn't think of that option.
Or that he did, but couldn't be bothered.
Or that he did, bothered, but Idris Elba refuse to die eating alien cock.

But seriously, you are giving the screenplay waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to much credit if you ask me.
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It's not about giving them credit... its just that they didn't show any evidence that they were in contact + the ending = they didn't seem to be in contact.

That doesn't make it a better screen play or a worse one. It's just using the information given to form a conclusion. I could do something similar with Max Payne, but that doesn't mean it's a good movie.
 
Everything from the engineer waking up and onwards was really well done. I would like the original David and engineer conversation put back in, though.

Seeing more of that with Shaw and David taking it to the Engineers in the sequel would be awesome.
 
3N16MA said:
Depends on how well this does. $232M WW right now and that budget his supposedly around $130 million.
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Probably needs to cover $280/290 to cover production and marketing.

Depending on Blu-ray sales (inc. boost of franchise titles due to hype) and if Scott can keep the cost low.



symphonask said:
Everything from the engineer waking up and onwards was really well done. I would like the original David and engineer conversation put back in, though.

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-The suicide run of the no-names
-Their banter
-Vickers ship comedy crush
-Shaw magic not ship crush
-David's all seeing head
-The stupid protoxeno stinger
 
Prometheus 2 has the potential to actually tie this up with Alien in a decent way that make sense, ie Shaw bringing the demise to the Engineers through an alien outbreak, ending the movie with the Jokey from Alien.
 
One of the things that bugs me about Prometheus is that with all the things the crew finds, and all the things that happen to them, nobody talks about what is going on. I was thinking back about Alien and it's relatively straight forward script. It allowed time between events for the crew to talk about what the hell they're going to do in response to developments. The long discussion about what to do with Kain and the face hugger. Gathering tools to chase down the chest burster. Dallas' plan to flush it out the air shaft. There's a pace to everything, as events lead to discussion which lead to action.

At no point in Prometheus does anyone stop and talk about what's going on. It's a series of events with no breathing room, and most of the events just happen and are forgotten, unconnected to the rest of the story. They just don't build on one another. In any other sanely constructed film, the infected crew member who is torched would be a huge event and launching point for further development. Or the two scientists getting killed by the snakes. Or mutant angry geologist wreaking a third of the crew. Or squid baby caesarian. Or.....fuck it.

None of the plot developments have anything to do with the other. It's just a jumble of plot threads that all lead nowhere.
 
GhaleonEB said:
One of the things that bugs me about Prometheus is that with all the things the crew finds, and all the things that happen to them, nobody talks about what is going on. I was thinking back about Alien and it's relatively straight forward script. It allowed time between events for the crew to talk about what the hell they're going to do in response to developments. The long discussion about what to do with Kain and the face hugger. Gathering tools to chase down the chest burster. Dallas' plan to flush it out the air shaft. There's a pace to everything, as events lead to discussion which lead to action.

At no point in Prometheus does anyone stop and talk about what's going on. It's a series of events with no breathing room, and most of the events just happen and are forgotten, unconnected to the rest of the story. They just don't build on one another. In any other sanely constructed film, the infected crew member who is torched would be a huge event and launching point for further development. Or the two scientists getting killed by the snakes. Or mutant angry geologist wreaking a third of the crew. Or squid baby caesarian. Or.....fuck it.

None of the plot developments have anything to do with the other. It's just a jumble of plot threads that all lead nowhere.
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There is a lack of follow through. Basically things happen and then everyone acts like they never happend because it's time to jump to something else.
 
GhaleonEB said:
One of the things that bugs me about Prometheus is that with all the things the crew finds, and all the things that happen to them, nobody talks about what is going on. I was thinking back about Alien and it's relatively straight forward script. It allowed time between events for the crew to talk about what the hell they're going to do in response to developments. The long discussion about what to do with Kain and the face hugger. Gathering tools to chase down the chest burster. Dallas' plan to flush it out the air shaft. There's a pace to everything, as events lead to discussion which lead to action.

At no point in Prometheus does anyone stop and talk about what's going on. It's a series of events with no breathing room, and most of the events just happen and are forgotten, unconnected to the rest of the story. They just don't build on one another. In any other sanely constructed film, the infected crew member who is torched would be a huge event and launching point for further development. Or the two scientists getting killed by the snakes. Or mutant angry geologist wreaking a third of the crew. Or squid baby caesarian. Or.....fuck it.

None of the plot developments have anything to do with the other. It's just a jumble of plot threads that all lead nowhere.
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Also a problem with LOST. Damon Lindelof needs a few script writing classes.
 
3N16MA said:
There is a lack of follow through. Basically things happen and then everyone acts like they never happend because it's time to jump to something else.
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Yeah, but it's more than follow through, it's consequence.
Look at the c-cest scene, I like that scene, probably the best one in the film, but it happened in an empty room and at the end of the day, nothing that important happened.
Nothing happened to Shaw, that thing we just heard about 20 seconds ago is out, and that's about it.
No, wait, that's not true, after she run, roll, jump and escape a falling ship she clutches her stomach once, I think.

Sure, her baby killed white hulk at the end, but it wasn't something integral to the plot.

Now compare it to the chest bursting scene from Alien.
The reaction is legendary, and it's legendary for a reason, John Hurt fucking die (but live forever in our nightmares) and it's pretty much what kick the movie into gear and into a full blown slasher-film mode.
I mean, the film's antagonist is born there.
That's a big deal.
 
zoukka said:
No no no first of all the engineer make-up is awesome and when he sat on that seat my balls imploded.

Also it was a very significant scene in the movie because it told weyland (us), that yeah there really isn't a great mystery to life.
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Agreed the scene where he gets in the seat was fucking amazing
 
B_Rik_Schitthaus said:
-The suicide run of the no-names
-Their banter
-Vickers ship comedy crush
-Shaw magic not ship crush
-David's all seeing head
-The stupid protoxeno stinger
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OK then, not everything. I thought the Shaw and engineer stuff was really good.

The co-pilots suicide was terrible, as was their banter. The movie would have been better off had they not existed.
 
It would have been nice of Shaw to tell everyone that she just removed a creature from herself and it's in Vickers room. Where are her manners?
 
Teh Hamburglar said:
*half naked chick runs into the room, gut with 20 staples in it, bleeding all over the floor*

*nobody seems to notice or care*
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The director's cut will show that they were all busy watching security cam footage of Stringer Bell pounding the shit out of Charlize Theron.

So yeah, I wouldn't notice Noomi Rapace either.
 
Well we know that originally the Fifield attack scene was supposed to happen when Weyland and crew are about to go and meet the engineer. If it was kept that way, then it would have made sense that there wasn't any time to reflect on it.

Of course it's possible for a DC cut to fix this, and the post c-sec flow, and flesh out the secondary characters but I think at that point we're hoping for too much.
 
Teh Hamburglar said:
*half naked chick runs into the room, gut with 20 staples in it, bleeding all over the floor*

*nobody seems to notice or care*
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Yeah, that was one of the best sequences in the film. And somehow, Shaw is not the most interesting thing in the room. And no one bothers to talk about why Weyland pretended to be dead, either.
 
symphonask said:
OK then, not everything. I thought the Shaw and engineer stuff was really good.

The co-pilots suicide was terrible, as was their banter. The movie would have been better off had they not existed.
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I would have liked that to build more, but I agree what was there was nice.




Teh Hamburglar said:
*half naked chick runs into the room, gut with 20 staples in it, bleeding all over the floor*

*nobody seems to notice or care*
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At the time I felt Scott was trying to be Lynchian, showing what Shaw went though and we watched didn't mean much to the important people in the story.
 
Scott did not want Shaw to be able to show any fight against the engineer. If she was able to hold him off for anytime it would weaken him in the eyes of the viewers.
 
About the Engineer and Shaw scene: David warns Shaw that the Engineer is coming for her. Setting aside how he knew that, he sure waited a long time to tell her. The Engineer would have to leave the room, escape the ship, and walk all the way over to the escape pod - at which point David chimes in and tells her to watch out. Thanks for the heads up, dude!
3N16MA said:
I also wanted this. A little more drawn out and suspenseful.
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There was some footage of it in the trailers, with Shaw on the floor and the Engineer standing over her.
 
GhaleonEB said:
About the Engineer and Shaw scene: David warns Shaw that the Engineer is coming for her. Setting aside how he knew that, he sure waited a long time to tell her. The Engineer would have to leave the room, escape the ship, and walk all the way over to the escape pod - at which point David chimes in and tells her to watch out. Thanks for the heads up, dude!


There was some footage of it in the trailers, with Shaw on the floor and the Engineer standing over her.
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David was rebooting.

Thats what I choose to believe.
 
i can get my head around shaw not wanting to let anyone know she just had emergency c-section to get a squid from out inside her. what i don't get is how everyone was cool with her attacking the fuck out of two people.
 
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