PROMETHEUS UNMARKED SPOILER THREAD!
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Bit of a tangent, but it reminded me of something that bugged me: the whole descending and finding the installations instantly thing. Upon spending over two years to arrive at an alien planet, wouldn't it make some sense to spend a bit of time in orbit studying the planet? Like hey, it's got powerful windstorms. And oh, a surface scan found these interesting features. Oh look, what are those domes in a line?
The sequence with finding the domes right away and the sudden storm both seemed needlessly contrived and a wee bit of tweaking would have gone a long way. (Sort of like the rest of the film.)
The Prometheus expedition unfortunately missed New Engineer City, sneakily hidden on the other side of the moon.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Isn't Scott's current wife in all of his movies? IMDB lists her as "Shaw's Mother", but I don't recall ever seeing her on screen.
Moebius had also signed on to Jodorowsky's aborted Dune production, and when that fell through my understanding is that the main creative team (including Giger and Bannon) stayed together and went on to make Alien. In other words, his involvement with the project likely predates Scott's.
I can't deny the visual similarities of the above linked graphic (bald man attacked by alien squid), but the context is rather different. The comic depicts a human man having sex with an apparently normal woman, who then shapeshifts into an alien squid in the midst of their coupling as some kind of assassination attempt.
Dream sequence, she appears for like .5 seconds.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Ohhhh, thanks. Time to watch it again!
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
Madea and The Creation of All Human Life on the Planet Earth.
Taking Prometheus into account, where does the Predator figure into this Alien universe?Don´t know if was posted here:
Mother of God.
Can anyone with the boxset confirm this is the same thing?
I'm looking for "Wreckage and Rage: Making Alien³"
Thanks in advance!
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Watching some of the WETA interviews about how they did the effects of the intro and the ships was pretty interesting. Problems with the script and editing aside, I really appreciate Scott's decision to use a lot of practical effects along with the CG.
IMDb lists that as another title for The Making of 'Alien³', a 2003 documentary, so it sure looks like it's the same thing.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
In regards to the Space Jesus angle...the engineer at the beginning (and the other engineers who got cut from the film) looked to be wearing seamless robes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seamless_robe_of_Jesus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seamless_robe_of_Jesus
crazy monkey
Banned
why were engineering were wearing helmets while running in that codes? I thought they only use it while doing that space craft thing. Also They should have kept the helmet on and made them some kind of creatures. Also that alien at the end was much more bigger than it can fir in body even before the birth.
Avada Kedavra!
Gabriel_Logan
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What was that Kryptonite looking rock, in the room with the big Engineer statue head and all the jars, for?
After getting their ass thoroughly kicked by Arnie in 80s, they left the galaxy, never to come back.
Predator 2 all actually take place inside Maria Conchita Alonso's head, after Rekall fucked up her vacation.
Arnieverse!
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Nappuccino
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Seems to be. I watched a bit of it before bed one night and the 3-4 min i watched seem to be directly from it.
We're probably basing our posts off the same sources (the anthology doc and the Art of Alien book in my case). My understanding of the history is slightly different than that but I don't want to argue about it.
Clearly that does not depict the exact scene that ended up in the movie, but the core of those shots are in those images. It is also interesting that the bald man is there in general. One has to wonder at what point in the development of the project that Scott came upon that page. I would love to hear his comments on it.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
They found the aliens and used them as training pets.
The downfall of one civilization is the recreational activity of another.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
I gotta say I enjoyed the film and would recommend it. It was entertaining for what it was, but still not without its faults.
Some of the characters are just too stupid for their own good. And were there just to help the plot, they didn´t feel like real people. I just didn´t buy those two guys who got left behind. I mean, I think one of them was the one who activated those red radar balls to map out the ship and he still got lost?
They were supposed to be smart (being educated people and all), but their choices were too moronic. For example, they were afraid when they heard they had picked up a life form in their scan, yet when they actually find it they act like stupid tourists trying to touch this snake like animal which is in an obviously menacing stance. If saw an animal like in an alien planet, I´d get the fuck out of there
, just like most with a brain would. That just really bothered me lol.
Other than that and a few other things (Father.. and all) the movie was very good.
Some of the characters are just too stupid for their own good. And were there just to help the plot, they didn´t feel like real people. I just didn´t buy those two guys who got left behind. I mean, I think one of them was the one who activated those red radar balls to map out the ship and he still got lost?
They were supposed to be smart (being educated people and all), but their choices were too moronic. For example, they were afraid when they heard they had picked up a life form in their scan, yet when they actually find it they act like stupid tourists trying to touch this snake like animal which is in an obviously menacing stance. If saw an animal like in an alien planet, I´d get the fuck out of there
, just like most with a brain would. That just really bothered me lol.Other than that and a few other things (Father.. and all) the movie was very good.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
Nowhere.
WordAssassin
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So thanks to Prometheus I was able to score the 9-Disc Quadrilogy DVD set for $5 a week ago and I've been watching them in order, since I think I've only ever seen 2 and 4.
Aliens is fucking amazing, as is Alien. Alien 3 is a somewhat underwhelming ending to the trilogy, but holy shiiiiiiiit is Resurrection bad.
I think my main disappointment with 3 is there's only one Xenomorph, so it's like a rehash of the first movie. Also, CGI instead of practical effects, and the ending sequence is just poorly executed. Also WTF is up with the sound in many parts being SO BAD? Was it released theatrically like that? YIKES.
As for Predators, here are two theories I just came up with:
1) The Engineers seeded life on multiple planets throughout the galaxy, and that life evolved differently depending on the conditions of the planet, etc. So on Earth you got humans and on some other planet you got Predators and in their labs you got Zenomorphs and so-on and so-forth.
2) The Engineers seeded some, but not all, life in the universe and the Predators are some of the 'other' life not created by them.
Oh, or,
2b) The Predators are like mercenaries who hunt life created by the Engineers for sport.
Aliens is fucking amazing, as is Alien. Alien 3 is a somewhat underwhelming ending to the trilogy, but holy shiiiiiiiit is Resurrection bad.
I think my main disappointment with 3 is there's only one Xenomorph, so it's like a rehash of the first movie. Also, CGI instead of practical effects, and the ending sequence is just poorly executed. Also WTF is up with the sound in many parts being SO BAD? Was it released theatrically like that? YIKES.
As for Predators, here are two theories I just came up with:
1) The Engineers seeded life on multiple planets throughout the galaxy, and that life evolved differently depending on the conditions of the planet, etc. So on Earth you got humans and on some other planet you got Predators and in their labs you got Zenomorphs and so-on and so-forth.
2) The Engineers seeded some, but not all, life in the universe and the Predators are some of the 'other' life not created by them.
Oh, or,
2b) The Predators are like mercenaries who hunt life created by the Engineers for sport.
Escape Goat
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I watched Alien again and I was just bored with it. After seeing Aliens, the one lone alien on the ship was just underwhelming. Style wise though it was pretty good. Especially once Ripley is alone and she has no dialogue. Its all cinematography and editing from then on out. Tom Skeritt was pretty sexy back in the day though.
Cosmonaut X
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Did you watch the Assembly Cut? ISTR that it has some audio and visual inconsistencies because it's put together from different-quality material, but it's been some time since I watched it.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
Should of got the blu-ray bro
I did after watching Pro, the transfer of Alien is amazing, Pro looks good but fuck me if Alien doesn't look a step beyond.
I watch that, I think that and the OG version both have the problem of mixing, the dialogue is impossible to make out about one quarter of the time.
WordAssassin
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Possibly? Each movie has 2 discs, one with the theatrical cut and then a director cut/special edition, and the second disc is all bonus stuff.
For Alien I watched theatrical, for Aliens I did extended, and then for 3 I did the SE and 4 I'm doing the theatrical because the SE says it has an alternate ending or something and I wanted to watch the normal one first.
But yeah, there are a LOT of scenes where the audio is just awful. Lots of noise, hard to hear, subtitles pop up frequently because you have no idea WTF they're saying. I guess I should have gone with the theatrical cut for that one. :\
Well, here's the thing. I wanted to. But not only was it $40, but it was out of stock at every Best Buy I looked in, even online wouldn't let me ship to the stores. I was about to give up, but I saw my local BB had ONE DVD set left as I was leaving, on sale for $20. I had $15 in Reward Zone certificates, so I was able to make off with it for $5. They didn't have full sets of the single-movie releases (1, 2, 4 on DVD, only 3 on BR) and the stand-alone releases didn't have even a fraction of the special features that the Quadrilogy set had, so I went with what was available to me then and there, for only $5.JB1981 said:Should of got the blu-ray bro
Also, as bad as the CGI in Aliens 3 looked on the DVD, I can only imagine how much worse it looks in crisp HD. No thanks D:
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
It's not CG (I always though it was), It was a puppet that was 'green screened' the super imposed in, never looking any good , the making of A3 is fantastic and goes through the hell that was making A3.
The AR making of pretend that the movie wasn't terrible, and there for is even harder to watch then AR itself.
I was reading the final draft of the Alien 3 script a bit last night and the Assembly Cut seems to be pretty much what was written on the page. The alternate opening with Clemens on the beach, the Oxen used to drag the EEV back to the facility. The ox burster scene rather than the dog. The additional scenes with Golic.
The Assembly Cut does better develop some of the secondary characters, particularly Golic and Clemens and a lot of things make more sense chronologically. It is definitely a superior movie but it is a bit long, can definitely see why a lot of it was cut.
The Assembly Cut does better develop some of the secondary characters, particularly Golic and Clemens and a lot of things make more sense chronologically. It is definitely a superior movie but it is a bit long, can definitely see why a lot of it was cut.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
Why that of all the A3 scripts?
The Gibson one is intresting as it would serve more as a 2.5 and had a massive hook for more movies in the future, even though Gibson's A3 would have been average.
just curiosity i guess ... i have read some bits of the gibson screenplay but stopped because of how bad everyone said it was.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
I think it helps to read a whole screen play, then you can properly piece together what the film would have been like.
Also Gibson's script has a sort of Black Goo / human infection thread to it, and just like in Pro it ends up being a bit pointless.
WordAssassin
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Dammit, he got banned, but does anyone know what the 'massive hook' he's referring to is? Or where I can find the script to read myself?
Also LOL at them green-screening a puppet. It looks so fuckin' terrible. Why didn't they just go with Stan Winston again? Aliens' special effects were INCREDIBLE. Guess I should watch that making-of. (Hopefully it's on the DVD set I just got)
There were sooooo many A3 scripts, but he could be talking about the script that has (fuzzy memory) the Sulaco returning, Hicks and Newt surviving, Bish being taking by terrorists, and of course, a bunch of Alien shit going down.
Here's a great site with a bevy of A3 rejected scripts. Say goodbye to your Friday night....
http://home.online.no/~bhundlan/scripts/alien3/
Joblo has the Gibson script
just saw it in 3d, i dislike 3d so i wont comment on that. Overall i thought it was fun but the ending was a bit elongated, i disliked how it followed the mold of every alien film where they seem to always invite people inherently dislikable along the voyage, infact other than Idris i dont think i cared for any one of the people on the ship.
Despite that had fun and it was a good movie
Despite that had fun and it was a good movie
Speedymanic
Banned
Created by the engineers before they made humans.
Turned on the engineers after reaching a certain evolutionary point and it was decided by the engineers that they had to wipe them out and so they created humans to hunt down and kill the predators as everyone knows humans are the ultimate predators.
Unfortunately, we also turned on them and killed Space Jesineer. And so it was, on new year eve that a plan to wipe us out was put into action. Fortunately for us, the predators found LV 223 and fucked their shit up before they could put their plan into action.
I don't think Prometheus followed the Alien mold, at all.
The Aliens films all have a very similar structure -
Sigourney Weaver and a bunch of space dudes (and usually a single space girl) are trapped in an inescapable space facility/thing with Alien(s), which promptly goes to murder almost everyone.
But I guess whether or not you want the movie to follow that mold depends on how much you like the Alien franchise/concept.
I wasnt linking the mold to story structure, that wasnt meant to be a deep comment, its more that im kind of tired of hating everyone who goes on a spaceship because they seem to fit an archetype which is hard to root for.
I thought the characters in Alien were mostly sympathetic.
I had no problem rooting for them.
I think the issue with Prometheus characters is that they are really poorly written.
This is probably so, i did not follow the hype for this move and im not a theorist on the alien universe so i went in just to watch the film and the film was fun to watch, i would even watch it again, inspite of the characters. It felt however that the film went out of its way to make every one of its characters unlikable, be it their attitudes to others, their very one dimeninsional plots. Its ironic that the only character i liked and rooted for is the one they spent next to no time on and that was the captain. But i suppose that just remarks to the technical achievment of the film that it can create such characters and still make me want to rewatch it, the plot itself i thought was very fine indeed (again im aware of certain uproar about it but i choose to view this as a singular film).
I will say one more thing, I cannot fathom and it actively makes me shake my head, when I see grown adults, intelligent adults, approach a new species on a planet they have never seen before with the cutesy face. I do not understand any possible thought process that makes them think that could end in positives results. Also to use it as a plot point time and time and time again in sci fi movies is indicative of piss poor character writing. If it was a child, sure i can make that leap, children are stupid and prone to thinking things are cute, but a grown man with a doctorate in something on an alien world who approaches a snake like object which is hissing and believes this on some level to be a puppy dog is an idiot and has no place on that ship.
I was wondering about this too, does anyone know?
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