A shitty, unsatisfying ending is not a win. Nor is a sequel.
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A shitty, unsatisfying ending is not a win. Nor is a sequel.
Gaming-Ryu
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The other thread is pretty much done so I'll just post my brief thoughts here.
Ambitious with decent ideas and non-sensical characters; beautifully filmed but badly executed.
The 3D effect is very subtle but used very well.
While I couldn't love this movie and recognize its very obvious and frustrating short-comings, I still found it both captivating and entertaining. I'd give this a 7.5, I guess I am just Sci-fi buff at heart.
I look forward to seeing more sophisticated (even if flawed) Sci-fi films.
Ambitious with decent ideas and non-sensical characters; beautifully filmed but badly executed.
The 3D effect is very subtle but used very well.
While I couldn't love this movie and recognize its very obvious and frustrating short-comings, I still found it both captivating and entertaining. I'd give this a 7.5, I guess I am just Sci-fi buff at heart.
I look forward to seeing more sophisticated (even if flawed) Sci-fi films.
Really LTTP here, but I finally saw it. I was for the most part entertained at least, but I could definitely see a lot of flaws and how that could badly mar such a film that had such hype behind it.
First thing that comes to mind for me is Charlize Theron's character and how completely useless and unneeded she was in the film.
Of course, the whole thing behind David's purposefully infecting other scientist guy so he could get the girl pregnant, only for her to remove it just seemed to not really do anything to the plot. It's not like David was watching her develop it like Ash. It just seemed like something that was written primarily into the script to shock the audience.
First thing that comes to mind for me is Charlize Theron's character and how completely useless and unneeded she was in the film.
Of course, the whole thing behind David's purposefully infecting other scientist guy so he could get the girl pregnant, only for her to remove it just seemed to not really do anything to the plot. It's not like David was watching her develop it like Ash. It just seemed like something that was written primarily into the script to shock the audience.
symphonask
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http://benprocter.squarespace.com/prometheus
Lots of cools stuff there, like:
Ben Proctor said:
Weyland's custom, much more elaborate hypersleep bed, necessitated by his advanced age and tenuous hold on life. I visualized him to be a little more cyborged-out after all the efforts made to extend his life span.
I would have preferred if we saw this advanced hypersleep bed in the movie.
Garcia el Gringo
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So can anybody at Comic-Con tell me what this Weyland Industries’ recruitment thing is like when it starts in a little while. Supposedly the recruitment can be found on 6th & L Street in San Diego, across from the convention center all weekend.
Ended up buying the art book on a whim. It's 1) huge, 2) gorgeous and 3) adds some details to the plot the film left open or implied or bungled.
I'll post a few thoughts after I've done a read through. One thing I found interesting, the Fifield design used in the the film did have an elongated head as with the initial design; we just never saw it because of how his scenes were filmed.
I'll post a few thoughts after I've done a read through. One thing I found interesting, the Fifield design used in the the film did have an elongated head as with the initial design; we just never saw it because of how his scenes were filmed.
Garcia el Gringo
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Call WEYLAND (**9395263) if you're in the US. They're having trouble connecting my call to Prometheus.
Just saw this. I was a little disappointed but give it a thumbs up as a horror/creepytimes sci-fi film.
Don't really have any spoilers to discuss, though: I don't know why, but I found the improvised caesarian sequence more graphic and nasty than anything I'd seen in film before. It legitimately made me queasy and I normally have no problem with extended torture scenes, or anything like that.
Don't really have any spoilers to discuss, though: I don't know why, but I found the improvised caesarian sequence more graphic and nasty than anything I'd seen in film before. It legitimately made me queasy and I normally have no problem with extended torture scenes, or anything like that.
Garcia el Gringo
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Since no one seems to uploading the message from last night I went ahead and did my own crappy recording. I have no idea what it means. I really hope it isn't just viral stuff for the Blu-ray. I want that Prometheus 2 confirmation.
Weyland Industries Call
Weyland Industries Call
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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I realised today that Prometheus is like a TV presenter, beautiful, stupid and asks questions it doesn't understand.
Fucking Lindelof.
I finally received mine about a month ago. I'm very happy with the purchase.
symphonask
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Someone on twitter (@tmvogel) met Jon Spaihts at Comic Con. Apparently in Spaihts draft only Holloway takes his helmet off and that there wasn't a scene where Millburn tried to pet the snakelike alien. On the black goo, Spaihts used the word biological software. The guy said that he got a sense that Spaihts script was slower and more science-driven.
Now I'm even more interested to see Spaihts draft.
Now I'm even more interested to see Spaihts draft.
And the "Weyland is on the ship and wants eternal life" twist was also something Lindelof came up with...
The guy sure has a talent for adding stupid shit.
Yeah, but it seems the video release will only include the first and last drafts of the script... I imagine (or maybe I've read somewhere, actually?) Spaihts went through several drafts before Lindelof got involved.
Ignatz Mouse
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This, and the relationship between David, Vickers and Wayland were actually good parts of the movie, IMHO.
TUROK
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Who was the idiot who picked Damon Lindelof to rewrite it?
If it was Ridley, I have no qualms with calling him an idiot.
Synth_floyd
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So why did the engineer guy try to kill everyone when they woke him up?
Literally no one knows.
Garcia el Gringo
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Damon Lindelof had talked a bit about Prometheus at Comic-Con. Really interesting stuff so far. I'm still viewing it, but it seems like the Nerd HQ talk is the most worthwhile video to watch.
Live From Nerd HQ: Damon Lindelof & Seth Grahame-Smith
Live From Nerd HQ: Damon Lindelof & Seth Grahame-Smith
im at work, what's interesting about it.
TheJollyCorner
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Hell no...David was the best thing about the film.
Garcia el Gringo
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I'm not done with it yet and I'm going to have to take a break from it now, but Damon is reflecting on the reception to the film, he's going pretty in-depth on Jon Spaihts' Alien Zero script (moreso than any other time he's talked about it) and he talks about seeing Ridley Scott naked in person. So it's interesting. I'll finish watching it later and write up a little summary of it if one isn't already done by tonight.
that is....soul crushing
this video is really interesting
and lindeloff really throws ridley under the bus over prometheus haha
compares himself to a sous chef, just recreating the head chef's menu
That scene was intentionally ambiguous. This blog post contains the best speculation I've seen:
http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html
Short version: The Engineers' society values sacrifice above all else . The Engineer in the opening scene sacrifices his own life in order to bring life to an entire planet. Weyland, conversely, will go to any length to extend his own life even though he has already lived well beyond his years (to the point of virtual decay). He cares nothing for the lives of those around him including his creations: his biological daughter and David his artificially created son. This contrast comes to a head when the Engineer is awoken and confronted by David and Weyland.
That livejournal post goes even deeper if you want to get into further thematic speculation.
Garcia el Gringo
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He's been saying this before anyone saw the movie. It's just funny to see him state it with a certain inflection now, after the reactions.
I still love ya, Lindelof.
Naked Ridley changes everything. That dude may just be insane. Lindelof is pretty vocal about taking blame for Prometheus, but I get the feeling that he wants to spill the dirt. You can really tell during this panel, but he obviously holds back not to get himself or anyone else in trouble.
I dunno, he sure is quick to try and shift the blame (see Lost)...
Man what a bunch of lame questions. The last question was basically "How awesome does it feel to be as awesome as you?" :lol
yup... wasted panel.
Best thing in the video (that was news to me) was the announcement of 2 new IT movies!
i know
and when it SEEMED like they might get an interesting question that fucking idiot at the end interrupted
Rentahamster
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Fuck, I wanna see this movie.
Spaihts's script sounds like an improvement based solely on the fact that the whole alien creator crap is pushed to the sides, and has honest to goodness xenomorphs with no weird goo shit just for the sake of being different. But whatever, who knows what other problems it contained.
BTW pretty shitty how Lindelof evaded all responsibility and pretty much painted himself as Scott's sock puppet, doing nothing but his bidding. He has acted this way before so I'm not surprised at all to be honest.
BTW pretty shitty how Lindelof evaded all responsibility and pretty much painted himself as Scott's sock puppet, doing nothing but his bidding. He has acted this way before so I'm not surprised at all to be honest.
symphonask
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He's doing this in literally every interview. Shifting the blame. "I just wrote what Ridley told me to." Have some pride, man. Embarrassing.
Somehow I have a feeling Scott won't be contacting him about a Prometheus 2 any time soon.
Lidelof has been pretty clear from even before the movie was released 1) that the movie is Ridley's vision and 2) specifically that Ridley intentionally wanted the movie to be ambiguous in ways that Lindelof felt might prove controversial.
I still don't really understand what people feel we missed out on with the allegedly more pure (or whatever) Spaihts draft. I love the grand concepts and open-endedness in Prometheus. This thread has reached 8000 posts for a reason.
I'm fine with the ambiguity and open-endedness.
It's the shitty script I didn't like.
Synth_floyd
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Yeah I read that about how the whole movie is about the space jesus idea. But why would the engineer who's been asleep for 2000 years wake up to some strange small people and suddenly go on a murderous rampage? Anyway it was a good movie but too many unanswered questions were central to the plot of the film (unlike, say, Alien 1, in which the unanswered questions were only tangential to the plot)
Lol, ok.
What? My post had nothing to do with space Jesus.
He does it in EVERY interview. Now I know why people don't like this guy.
Just came out of cinema after watching it and...meh. Visually it's pretty good, like all of Scott's films, but the story is so stupid, the characters, I didn't care or like anyone (except for David, the thing about the film). So many questions, no fucking answers. I mean, nothing, just caos. No tension, suspense or anything. Just a bunch of people dying.
Also, I found it to be pretty predictable, nothing really suprised me. Oh, and the way the alien is created is ridiculous. I mean, they really didn't come off with a better idea? Plain stupid.
I don't know, I don't feel cheated or anything, I just don't care about what they told me in this movie. Oh wait, they told me nothing.
Also, I found it to be pretty predictable, nothing really suprised me. Oh, and the way the alien is created is ridiculous. I mean, they really didn't come off with a better idea? Plain stupid.
I don't know, I don't feel cheated or anything, I just don't care about what they told me in this movie. Oh wait, they told me nothing.
Ignatz Mouse
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Cosign.
Nothing about my ambiguous feelings for the movie is about unswered questions (or even the seemingly contradictory Xenomorph alien rules). It's the poor characterizations, motivations, dumb actions taken by people, leaps of faith that turn out to be correct, and the fact that everything is written to reach certain results, not organically at all.
I mean, there's a bunch of ships on an alien world, they just *heppen* to pick the one where all the bad stuff went down? They just *happen* to enter the atmosphere within sight of it? They accurately guess the locale of an alien world based on simple cave paintings? The decide to star poking around the site with no care at all for preservation of the evidence? There's not a shred of caution from anyone, even the guys who are supposedly scared to death?
Only a couple of characters seem to have consistent sensical motivations. Many behave in most convenient ways to make the script go forward.
The first test is done on a short dna segment (probably unique to humans) and is a match. Later one of the caracthers mentuon that their dna is older (not exact phrasing) than ours, which implys that we have been evolving since our creation, which I assume is when the "engineer" took the black oil and junped into the waterfall in the intro. You even see dna untangle and recombine, so it wouldn't be the exact same dna as his without a template to work from. (i'm an expert etc etc).
I didn't think it was weird that the engineer that they awakened attacked them, as they obviously were on a mission to eradicate humans anyway. There could also have been more structures on this planet with the same faith. There is a road there after all
Pretty sure she said it "predated" us.
What she means by that / how she can tell? Not sure! We've been evolving? Well... yeah. Does that mean the Engineers are closer to our ape-like ancestors? And isn't the sample she's working from fairly recent anyway?
Ah, well.
(and of course, there would be the possibility the "Engineers" are based on us, not the other way around, but I guess Shaw saw the first scene of the movie / talked with the writers)
Predates means (educated guess) that when comparing all the variatons of human dna, they all have the engineer dna as a common ancester. Similar to how they learned the alien language by comparing ancient human languages.
Not sure what this would mean for our relationship with apes, but since we learned to speak after we split from the apes, It would imply that we're not related to them after all
symphonask
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from digital bits blu-ray ComicCon panel:
Looking forward to it. Hopefully 'special edition' in this case means extended cut.
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa205.html#071612
Looking forward to it. Hopefully 'special edition' in this case means extended cut.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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eg.
They will show the script as it was before Lindelof got his talentless shit stained mitts on it.
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