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blitzcloud said:
it's just that almost everything was incoherent. When one thinks that something makes a bit of sense, they step all over it later in the movie. Not to mention that they have these fodder characters that act stupid, despite technically being clever. Probably the robot is the one acting more like a clever, yet probably a bit weird since you can't understand why he does what he does, human.

Ohhhh alien albino snake that is acting aggresively, let's try to reach it with the hand.
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Realistically, what were you expecting? I'm not asking sarcastically. A deep personal portrait of every character? They needed someone to set up the actual hostility and oral impregnation and they chose the "I smoke pot in my spacesuit" carefree guy and the biologist who just got a punch to his academic balls when they actually find proof that humans didn't suddenly come from evolution and acted like he has something to prove.


I thought they set up the motivation for the characters very well, especially Vickers and the Captain. I especially liked those two characters, his pick up line in particular made me laugh out loud in the cinema. Vickers really stole it for me though. The resented child that is usurped by a robot in her fathers favor, so cold inside that she actually wants her father to finally bite it, and how she interacts with David is great.

Shaw was a bit underdeveloped, they should've put the effects of religious bias interfering with scientific findings to the forefront a bit more. The map/invitation motive should've been played up a bit more I'd say.

I found the movie to be quite straightforward and conclusive in itself.
 
Seriously, the Engineers are fucking awesome. Love their look. I've wanted to use an image of an Engineer as my avatar since the movie came out. Can I do it now?
 
StoppedInTracks said:
Thanks.

Another thought: if The Engineers on the LV232(???) planet were wiped out 2000 years ago why didn't anybody from their original planet come to their rescue?
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Since it was weapons facility that went offrails I assume nobody wanted to go to that planet anymore. The chance of somebody being there alive wasn't worth the risk, especially since engineers have been shown to not puch that much value into individual life.
I mean, the whole point of setting the bases on alien planet was to contain it if something went wrong.
 
finally saw it yesterday and really liked it. some things bothered me, like the cliffhanger ending. and why the fuck was the proto-alien there at the end? pointless. film would be better as a standalone piece, without any alien connections.

and whats with the hate torwards lindeloff? the script was ok.
 
S1kkZ said:
and whats with the hate torwards lindeloff? the script was ok.
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Which character had any kind of arc?

What were the motivations of David and Meridith (Cherlize Theron)?

Why were elite, "hand-selected" men complete idiots when on their mission?


Even the hamfisted movie Avatar was capable of accomplishing these storytelling 101 staples.
 
ToxicAdam said:
What were the motivations of David and Meridith (Cherlize Theron)?
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To get free from Wayland. I thought that was pretty obvious.
ToxicAdam said:
Why were elite, "hand-selected" men complete idiots when on their mission?
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The sad thing is: fixing a lot of that wouldn't require any big changes. Just leave their helmets onf (aside from the one doctor), with the "cobra scene"..have the geologist try to pat the creature, since he was actally stoned back then.
Teach THeron to run sideways...lol..if they wanted to kill her just let her be crushed the way Shaw avoided to, or killed by engineer few seconds later.



Still enjoyed the hell out of this movie though :) I love all the precursors/forerunners/protheans-etc type of stories.
 
S1kkZ said:
finally saw it yesterday and really liked it. some things bothered me, like the cliffhanger ending. and why the fuck was the proto-alien there at the end? pointless. film would be better as a standalone piece, without any alien connections.

and whats with the hate torwards lindeloff? the script was ok.
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I'm a HUGE Alien(s) fan and the script was hot garbage. You need to really objectively think outside your wallet investment on this one. All the characters were terrible minus David. They made countless idiotic mistakes that make the script look like a high school project.

The biggest issue? pacing but even moreso the editing. The entire last fight scene happened in 5 seconds, grab an axe, "someone is coming", door breaks down, hit button, squid grabs engineer, run away.

5 seconds and I could have done a better job. It was embarrassingly bad, it really was.
 
Is this fan poster old? I like it.

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Saw it yesterday and I liked it a lot more than I thought I would based on the reviews.

Amazing visual and sound design. I loved every bit of it with the exception of the old man suit for Weyland. He doesn't even looked like an older Guy Pearce, so just take an old actor and use Pearces voice. Many didn't see the extra material with a young Weyland and he doesn't get 'new' life in the movie, so why use an old man suit?

Anyway, I didn't read through the whole thread and thanks to the late start in germany I'm late to the party.

Did I get the story right?
Engineer in the beginning drinks some black goo and kickstarts human life on earth. Movie is called Prometheus, so I guess he shouldn't have done it - Other Engineers aren't fan of his work.
Mankind finds the planet with the jockey-ships and doesn't know what to make of it. First I thought it was an ark, but I liked the captains explanation of a military outpost. Would explain the hazardous stuff on board. Drop a few casks on a planet and watch Aliens of all kind evolute it to death! After that - terraforming.
Engineers want to do that to earth, because whatever (don't want mankind to exist, want the planet), but someone* sets some black goo loose which results in the killing of everyone on the outpost. One pilot stays alive and is revived in the events of the film that involves the typical stupid-acting horrorfilm characters and one tough and clever (last panel) Charlize Theron.
Shit goes down and in the end only David and Liz stay alive and want to learn more.

*could mean a fight of some Engineers who want mankind to evolve (the ones who visited the earth and old cultures) and some who just want the planet/resources or maybe find it unethical to 'make' new life resembling their DNA.

In the end, I liked the movie. B-Movie characters played by great actors in exceptional design - like Alien, but with stupid people. I don't care for Lindelofs involvement and I don't think the questions in the story that come up can't be answered. I'm looking forward for a DC that maybe answers a few questions and could portray the acting of the crew a bit less stupid.
 
xyla said:
Engineer in the beginning drinks some black goo and kickstarts human life on earth. Movie is called Prometheus, so I guess he shouldn't have done it - Other Engineers aren't fan of his work.
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You'd think that, and I remember reading a couple of fan synopsis that went there, but that apparently wasn't the intention. There's a deleted scene showing other Engineers with the guy, in that introduction, and the reason Engineers are pissed at humanity is, according to the writer, something that happened on Earth around 2000 years before the events of the movie.
I guess "Prometheus" sounded smarter than "Space Jesus".
 
StoppedInTracks said:
That plus the "what happens when Weyland dies and stops programming you?"

"then I guess I will become free, no?"

Plus

"the trick William Potter is not minding that it hurts."
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Its also great that he shows in his reactions, that he can experience human emotions, even though he says he can't. Its in the scene about feeling disappointed especially.

Erigu said:
You'd think that, and I remember reading a couple of fan synopsis that went there, but that apparently wasn't the intention. There's a deleted scene showing other Engineers with the guy, in that introduction, and the reason Engineers are pissed at humanity is, according to the writer, something that happened on Earth around 2000 years before the events of the movie.
I guess "Prometheus" sounded smarter than "Space Jesus".
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Wait what? What is he doing there then? And why is it in the movie? I'm glad, I didn't know that 'Space Jesus' stuff before I watched the movie. Would have butchered my enjoyment of the movie severely.

Edit: And it doesn't fit with any theme in the movie! Why should they engineer us and then another entity sends us someone to 'safe' us - not them or their makers?
 
Erigu said:
Apparently, the idea is just that Engineers "seeded life" by sacrificing themselves like that. Scott even said that the planet at the beginning wasn't necessarily Earth.
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Meh, thats ok I guess, but context is missing for that message to be unambiguous .

My version is more fun for me, so I choose to believe in that.
 
xyla said:
Wait what? What is he doing there then? And why is it in the movie? I'm glad, I didn't know that 'Space Jesus' stuff before I watched the movie. Would have butchered my enjoyment of the movie severely.

Edit: And it doesn't fit with any theme in the movie! Why should they engineer us and then another entity sends us someone to 'safe' us - not them or their makers?
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My intepretation was that Jesus had some sort of abilities that was the product of unforseen changes in the planned path of human evolution. Those could be abilities that the Engineers themselves posessed, or abilities that were unknown to them. Anyway, what they saw might have convinced some sort of faction within the Engineer race that humans had potential to overtake and eventually destroy them. I think it fits well enough in with David's storyline. I doubt humans would allow androids to roam around freely if they knew that they could not be fully controlled.
 
The Space Jesus, Fifield and Millburn are the 3 worst things that happened to this movie.

That and the last (Alien) scene.

Otherwise it is the best sci-fi flick since District 9. Really worth seeing twice as you pay extra attention to all the small details.
 
xyla said:
Saw it yesterday and I liked it a lot more than I thought I would based on the reviews.

Amazing visual and sound design. I loved every bit of it with the exception of the old man suit for Weyland. He doesn't even looked like an older Guy Pearce, so just take an old actor and use Pearces voice. Many didn't see the extra material with a young Weyland and he doesn't get 'new' life in the movie, so why use an old man suit?

Anyway, I didn't read through the whole thread and thanks to the late start in germany I'm late to the party.

Did I get the story right?
Engineer in the beginning drinks some black goo and kickstarts human life on earth. Movie is called Prometheus, so I guess he shouldn't have done it - Other Engineers aren't fan of his work.
Mankind finds the planet with the jockey-ships and doesn't know what to make of it. First I thought it was an ark, but I liked the captains explanation of a military outpost. Would explain the hazardous stuff on board. Drop a few casks on a planet and watch Aliens of all kind evolute it to death! After that - terraforming.
Engineers want to do that to earth, because whatever (don't want mankind to exist, want the planet), but someone* sets some black goo loose which results in the killing of everyone on the outpost. One pilot stays alive and is revived in the events of the film that involves the typical stupid-acting horrorfilm characters and one tough and clever (last panel) Charlize Theron.
Shit goes down and in the end only David and Liz stay alive and want to learn more.

*could mean a fight of some Engineers who want mankind to evolve (the ones who visited the earth and old cultures) and some who just want the planet/resources or maybe find it unethical to 'make' new life resembling their DNA.

In the end, I liked the movie. B-Movie characters played by great actors in exceptional design - like Alien, but with stupid people. I don't care for Lindelofs involvement and I don't think the questions in the story that come up can't be answered. I'm looking forward for a DC that maybe answers a few questions and could portray the acting of the crew a bit less stupid.
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Here you go!
 
Finally saw it yesterday. Mixed reactions.

I came to OT to look at this thread to see what the early impressions I was hiding away from were. I did still kind of like the movie. But I agree with a lot of the complaints. I read about 15pages of posts but not everything. So maybe someone already covered these, but I will voice them anyway.

I'll just get down straight to my biggest issue with Prometheus: Is Ridley Scott just a creationist apologist? It's kind of telling that he made 2 biggest idiots in the film the Biologist and the Geologist. Those are really the 2 disciplines of science that would give his "aliens created man" concept a very hard time. The geological record on Earth tells us quite a convincing story about where man evolved from. There was no counter for that in the movie. And any biologists watching this were probably either laughing their asses off, or crying. So these engineers's DNA are 99% identical to humans? Well, so are chimpanzees. Did the engineers create those here on earth too? What about the other great apes?

There are so many gaping problems with this movie from a biological stand point. Why does a space faring race have to be so freaking muscular? Do all those muscles really serve them well while flying around in space in low-G? Hell, they are in cyro most of their lives. This is a species that was flying around in space ships for thousands, maybe tens of thousands of years before humans. And yet their bodies have the evolutionary traits of something savage that has to walk around on it's knuckles and forage for food in a jungle. It seems pretty clear that RS simply does not believe in evolution.

How did that space squid thing get so big just being locked up in that contamination room? What did it eat to get that big? Are we supposed to believe it put on all that mass just by breathing the air in that sterile room? And in a mater of hours? All biological organisms simply cannot grow without nutrients or a food supply. But this one can?

On the positive side, I LOVE the David character! I wish the whole movie was just him wandering around the ship doing his chores, watching movies, and being David.
 
PuppetMaster said:
There are so many gaping problems with this movie from a biological stand point. Why does a space faring race have to be so freaking muscular? Do all those muscles really serve them well while flying around in space in low-G? Hell, they are in cyro most of their lives. This is a species that was flying around in space ships for thousands, maybe tens of thousands of years before humans. And yet their bodies have the evolutionary traits of something savage that has to walk around on it's knuckles and forage for food in a jungle. It seems pretty clear that RS simply does not believe in evolution.
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Simply try to ignore the biological standpoint. The aliens look muscular because they are designed to be and look superior but similar to humans. From a biological standpoint it doesn't make sense, but it works for the subconsciousness of most viewers.

Hyuga said:
Here you go!
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Oh, the horror watching a movie with the internet as an information hub. 15 years ago, I would have had my theories and all would be well. Today I know what was cut, who was responsible for re-writing the script and what the intention and deeper meaning of a scene is in a timespan of a few hours or a few days. Often even before the movies opening.
Doesn't matter for most movies, but for a movie like this I would enjoy the second viewing a lot more, if I didn't know all this stuff - maybe I shouldn't be in this thread.
 
List of deleted scenes has been posted:

http://weylandinvestors.com/post/29462765615/prometheus-dvd-blu-ray-deleted-scenes-listed

There is also a tease that there will be a new cut.

The BBFC, from whom we got information regarding the Prometheus DVD/Blu-ray extras before, had just been updated to reveal 35 minutes of deleted scenes to be part of the release…

ALTERNATE AND DELETED SCENES: [34:54]
* ARRIVAL OF THE ENGINEERS [2:31]
* T’IS THE SEASON [0:58]
* OUR FIRST ALIEN [0:42]
* SKIN [0:42]
* WE’RE NOT ALONE ANYMORE [1:22]
* STRANGE BEDFELLOWS [2:57]
* HOLLOWAY HUNGOVER [1:25]
* DAVID’S OBJECTIVE [0:23]
* JANEK FILLS VICKERS IN [3:27]
* A KING HAS HIS REIGN [3:40]
* FIFIELD ATTACKS [2:01]
* THE ENGINEER SPEAKS [4:06]
* FINAL BATTLE [5:30]
* PARADISE [5:05]

So, even though there won’t be a Director’s Cut, at least we can hope for a Weyland Investors Extended Fan Cut…how many people want one!
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doesn't appear those scenes will address flaws in the script logic. too bad.

These scenes seem interesting though
ARRIVAL OF THE ENGINEERS [2:31
* DAVID’S OBJECTIVE
* A KING HAS HIS REIGN [3:40]
* FIFIELD ATTACKS [2:01]
* THE ENGINEER SPEAKS [4:06]
* FINAL BATTLE [5:30]
 
Hyuga said:
Here you go!
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I like this expanded explanation better:

Refusal to accept death is anathema to the Engineers. Right from the first scene, we learned their code of willing self-sacrifice in accord with a greater purpose.
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With all this in mind, we can better understand the climactic scene in which the withered Weyland confronts the last surviving Engineer. See it from the Engineer's perspective. Two thousand years ago, humanity not only murdered the Engineers' emissary, it infected the Engineers' life-creating fluid with its own tainted selfish nature, creating monsters. And now, after so long, here humanity is, presumptuously accepting a long-overdue invitation, and even reawakening (and corrupting all over again) the life fluid.

And who has humanity chosen to represent them? A self-centred, self-satisfied narcissist who revels in his own artificially extended life, who speaks through the medium of a merely mechanical offspring. Humanity couldn't have chosen a worse ambassador.

It's hardly surprising that the Engineer reacts with contempt and disgust, ripping David's head off and battering Weyland to death with it. The subtext is bitter and ironic: you caused us to die at the hands of our own creation, so I am going to kill you with YOUR own creation, albeit in a crude and bludgeoning way.
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http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html
 
So late to the party on this one, but the movie just opened up here in Japan.

I really dug it. Saw it in 3D and I think my eyes were melting out of my face. As for the story, the only thing I really had an issue with was the opening sequence which lacked context and was far more vague than anything else in the movie. It didn't help that the alien craft you see at the start bears little resemblance to the other ships seen in the movie.

Outside of that however, I had a great time and it was exactly what I was expecting.
 
Finally saw this movie. Hell yeah it's a prequel to Alien. Overall, a great sci-fi flick (best one since Moon (Avatar doesnt count). But definitely below the benchmark Ridley Scott has set in Alien and other movies. I think he has kinda lost his touch somewhere. There are real shortcuts taken in the script. For example, when Prometheus first descends on LV-223, Charlie conveniently spots the artificial structure which later sets the environment for the rest of the movie. The two scientists being lost in the structure is the oldest scary movie cliche in the world. As soon as they showed us that they were lost, I instantly knew they are soon to be dead. Another tired cliche. Another one I remember is near the end of the movie when the captain and his co-pilots cheesily accept the suicide mission and ram the alien spacecraft. I mean I understand the significance of the scene, but it was handled more in the Michael Bay way rather than Ridley Scott way. When the alien ship drops, Shaw just rolls away from the tumbling ship that's the size of a small city. Vickers get smothered. Well crap. Why didn't they just ran in the different direction in the first place? Things like this annoyed me.

Few things I didn't understand: What was the significance of the opening scene where the humanoid drinks the oil thingy and disintegrates?

Also, why were the humanoids running in the structure? Who were they running from? Finally, why didn't the final surviving "Engineer" speak with the humans and David? I was extremely disappointed when he started acting like another movie monster instead of being a supremely intelligent being like the Engineers are supposed to. Another question, why did David put the microbe like leech in Charlie's drink, and what was Charlie transforming into? Was it the same thing the scientist transformed into?

I may seem like I'm whining a lot, but it's not true. I really liked the movie. These were just a few concerns I had, and some disappointment due to this being a Ridley Scott movie. Anyways, on to Prometheus 2.
 
RustyNails said:
Hell yeah it's a prequel to Alien.
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I didn't think it was at all. Just set in the same world.

RustyNails said:
What was the significance of the opening scene where the humanoid drinks the oil thingy and disintegrates?
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Implication was that Engineer started life on Earth or an Earthlike planet. In any case it's something they do.

RustyNails said:
Also, why were the humanoids running in the structure? Who were they running from?
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Probably a bioweapon: facehugger, giant worms, oil zombie, something else.

RustyNails said:
Finally, why didn't the final surviving "Engineer" speak with the humans and David? I was extremely disappointed when he started acting like another movie monster instead of being a supremely intelligent being like the Engineers are supposed to.
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I think they were told to wipe out the humans. It was their job. I don't think they were necessarily super intelligent, just an older civilization with more advanced technology.

It could also be that David said something else. Can't really figure out his motives, being an android and all.

RustyNails said:
Another question, why did David put the microbe like leech in Charlie's drink, and what was Charlie transforming into? Was it the same thing the scientist transformed into?
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I think he just wanted to see what would happen.

That's just my take. IMO the movie didn't make sense and should just be enjoyed for what it was; cool visuals, good action, and characters that are weirdly interesting despite having unclear motives.
 
JB1981 said:
doesn't appear those scenes will address flaws in the script logic. too bad.

These scenes seem interesting though
ARRIVAL OF THE ENGINEERS [2:31
* DAVID’S OBJECTIVE
* A KING HAS HIS REIGN [3:40]
* FIFIELD ATTACKS [2:01]
* THE ENGINEER SPEAKS [4:06]
* FINAL BATTLE [5:30]
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Yup, very interested in these. It will take an extended cut for me to pick up the Blu-Ray, I really hope that tease wasn't just that.
 
parrotbeak said:
I didn't think it was at all. Just set in the same world.


Implication was that Engineer started life on Earth or an Earthlike planet. In any case it's something they do.
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So this is how they create human-like beings? I thought it would've been more complex than simply drinking oil and disintegrating...besides, if this is the case, they're setting the stage of evolution, not straight up "creation" of humans. Right?[/QUOTE]
 
Dead said:
Back when it was in pre-production, wasn't "Paradise" one of the working titles for the film?
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Ridley has commented on this. He has been thinking of the concept of the Engineers for quite a long time. His thought is that if one accepts that these god-like beings are responsible for our creation, wouldn't it be an amazing visual challenge to present the Heaven that they come from. When Shaw and company left Earth to follow the engineer's invitation, a very different version of the film could have seen them arrive directly at this home world. He ultimately decided that it would be better to spend the first film establishing the Engineers and then continue onto the home world in the second film.
 
RustyNails said:
So this is how they create human-like beings? I thought it would've been more complex than simply drinking oil and disintegrating...besides, if this is the case, they're setting the stage of evolution, not straight up "creation" of humans. Right?
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Well the oil also does a bunch of other stuff like make worms into monsters, make people into zombies, make women give birth to facehuggers after they have sex with oil infected men. I mean, I liked the movie but the science didn't make any sense.

100% match!
 
parrotbeak said:
Well the oil also does a bunch of other stuff like make worms into monsters, make people into zombies, make women give birth to facehuggers after they have sex with oil infected men. I mean, I liked the movie but the science didn't make any sense.

100% match!
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Didn't we already conclude that this did not mean that the alien DNA was a 100% match to human DNA?
 
Tom_Cody said:
Ridley has commented on this. He has been thinking of the concept of the Engineers for quite a long time. His thought is that if one accepts that these god-like beings are responsible for our creation, wouldn't it be an amazing visual challenge to present the Heaven that they come from. When Shaw and company left Earth to follow the engineer's invitation, a very different version of the film could have seen them arrive directly at this home world. He ultimately decided that it would be better to spend the first film establishing the Engineers and then continue onto the home world in the second film.
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I'm sure Fox's budget department also had something to say about this idea...
 
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