Prominent youtuber KSI censors video from Videogamer.com critquing him

I hope you can find them, Matt.

I watched a bit of one of KSI's videos after this debacle, and like PewPewDie, I just don't get it. Is it supposed to be funny? Entertaining? They make me feel old.

GiantBomb's quick looks, I get those.

EDIT:

Matt, I can't find much, but he seems to have deleted these:

Yhq47ON.png


ep3il3V.png


EDIT 2:

Nevermind, they're not deleted!
 
KSI didn't do much different from what Sacha Baren Cohen does... making people uncomfortable by playing a character; it's a joke but yeah it had the intended effect of making me uncomfortable in places, particularly when he mimed cunnilingus at that one girl. The rest of it was pretty funny but not that.

That said I was fairly baffled by the "sexual assault" hyperbole that came out of various news outlets after eurogamer.

Matt Lees had a point when he said the guy probably isn't appropriate for micosoft to use.

But I'm not so seething with moral outrage I never want him to get a sponsorship deal again or for his channel to get closed or whatever.

Wait.. Walking up to a girl that he can't call "massive tits", who still seems to have an amazing rack, and saying "where have your boobs gone?", in a world where tits seem to be the epitome of skewed bodily images, where most girls are not satisfied with the boobs they have, this is a funny line? No matter how big the chance that line has of affecting the girl, the possibility that this can seriously harm her self-image is present. The chance that it's another comment in the lines that makes her unsure of her body is ever bigger. Sure, you can try and say it's unlikely, but that would be because the girl has a great defense to a hurtful statement, not because it's not hurtful. Because it is.

I figure finding this funny is when what you find funny overrides your compassion. To me, no matter how funny the lines are, the superimposed feelings of getting this said at me stand in the way of me finding it funny. When you look at the comments of those defending what he's doing, you get a sense that this must be the overbearing thing. Feeling that these girls somehow 'deserve it', is exactly what's wrong with the video.

I can defend shock-humor. I can defend insult-humor. But the moment those things start nearing things that can be a fragile piece of a human's self-image, humor can never justify the possibility that you may be hurting someone.

Asking girls why they're not fingering is not only saying too much about the guy, to me, but it's called sexual harassment for a reason. It's breaching into a sphere most people wish to hold private, and when you are a public figure, in the sense that you have a mic and a camera, breaching into things that way is not something you should be striving to do.

EDIT: If you've any grounding in today's gaming world, and the problems female face with just being on Xbox Live, or the ongoing discussion of female portrayal in games, or just pay attention to the childish relationships the "alpha of the flies" seem to endow on the females that are present, you should know that this is not the direction we'd want to take our medium. Stories about outrages over women's costumes at ComicCon, shaming and guilting the women who partake in so many ways, while lamenting the ones that aren't female enough, or do not present ample bosom, these oppressive views and immaturity is not something I wish to permeate through our community. Saying it is funny is saying it is OK. Because nothing that's not OK is funny. Or shouldn't be, if you have common decency. This is not a modernistic criticism of the state of our community. It's a dunce who thinks it's OK to do these things. It's open sexual harassment. It's disrespectful, and it outright strives against all that's called common decency. That is not an achievement. It is merely treating women like crap. Nothing else.

The fact is that he's not only criticizing this girl for not having big enough boobs, but that her outfit aren't presenting her boobs well enough. I'm genuinely sad if you can't see that this is objectification of females, reducing women to their looks and generally condensing all that's wrong with the way we treat females.



Great job to Matt for highlighting these issues. Without it, I wouldn't have known what a massive tool this guy is. It's such obvious abuse of copy-right, hilariously much so, when seen in the light that the use of "copyrighted material" is both very small and used to critique, something law luckily enables us to do.
 
I had never heard of this guy until I saw this thread but then I saw the Eurogamer vid - holy shit what a fucking loser.
 
Its idiots like him that make me feel ashamed to be british , a youtube celebrity??? The fuck is that?? He wants to grow up and get out into the real fucking world. Society in britain is fucked enough as it is and idiots like this aren't making it any better. Id shut his youtube account down , sever all his ties with whatever companys sponsor him and see how he does then....jobless probably. Fuck him.
 
KSI didn't do much different from what Sacha Baren Cohen does... making people uncomfortable by playing a character; it's a joke but yeah it had the intended effect of making me uncomfortable in places, particularly when he mimed cunnilingus at that one girl. The rest of it was pretty funny but not that.

That said I was fairly baffled by the "sexual assault" hyperbole that came out of various news outlets after eurogamer.

Matt Lees had a point when he said the guy probably isn't appropriate for micosoft to use.

But I'm not so seething with moral outrage I never want him to get a sponsorship deal again or for his channel to get closed or whatever.

I think a key difference is that this doesn't seem to be in the guise of a character, it involves regular people and doesn't have any form of charm or actual humour to it. You're crazy if you think that Cohen's stuff just gets published without signatures on releases and explanations/apologies to the people pranked.

The main issue here, however, is response. I mean I don't get it but KSI clearly resonates with people and has a following, and shouldn't have created the video that he did. But he apologised to the people involved and it shouldn't necessarily hang over him for ever. The internet is a scary place as there's a record of every dumb thing and mistake that you've ever done!

The response, however, is unacceptable. Apologising does not make you above criticism and Matt's video is a perfectly acceptable critique of both his actions and subsequent deals/sponsorships, and a larger trend of corporations using overnight YouTube "celebrities" in an ethically-grey manner.

For KSI to shut it down like that is ridiculous and is a new evolution of the chilling effect; don't criticise somebody with sway or you can stop earning a living on YouTube. It's same with the ridiculous libel laws in papers in the UK. And for it to be used on this video in particular case is absolutely disgusting.

KSI should have taken it on the chin and moved on, or even create a video response explaining his actions (and maybe apologising for some of them). He's really naive because this reaction is bringing more negative attention to him! It's highlighting Matt and VideoGamer's case more!
 
This further outlines problems with YouTube's copyright system. In worst case, this guy abused it. In best case, he's just not familiar enough with the laws to know that this is fair use under the criticism clause. But he can still make the claim, and inflict that damage on YouTube-users. It's not OK.
 
Source? Unless of course you are KSI.

I'm a Brit too and I too disagree with your assessment of "banter". Banter goes on between friends, or at least people in the same social group. That was not what was happening here. You try harassing women you don't know, in the fashion KSI was, at your place of work and see how long it is before you're shown the door, and if you tried that with random women in pubs I doubt you'd go too long without either being arrested or someone beating the crap out of you.

You see, the key thing here is that those women were at their place of work, and the fact that they were being paid to interact with the public immediately puts them at a disadvantage against assholes like KSI. They could tell him to fuck off but I suspect they would be concerned about how that would look to their employers, and I suspect the same thoughts might come into their heads with regards to thoughts of complaining about use of the footage. Whatever the case, people at their place of work have the right to carry out their work without harassment, and it is harassment. Trying to handwave it away as "banter" doesn't change that.

This is a fair summary of the situation.

There is a bit of a lad culture in Britain, but I wouldn't say it's a lot worse than what happens in other countires. (This next bit is directed at mancan92)

"Banter" between friends is completely different to being a dick in a public place to strangers. I know that when in the pub having a drink with friends conversation can be crass and juvenile. For the majority of the time tht's totally acceptable and fine. No one is being hurt, you and your friends are having a laugh.

But going up to random people, some of whom are at their place of work, and asking them stuff like why they have small breasts and why they aren't masterbating is totally not ok. That's harassing people. Just becaue they don't tell him to fuck off it doesn't mean they consent to it.

You keep talking about being able to laugh at yourself and take jokes. But those things he said aren't jokes. Someone coming up to you in the street and asking you why you have such a small penis isn't a joke or a prank. It's just someone being a twat.

Eurogamer obviously felt his behaviour was inappropriate as they have banned him from future Expo's, and now Microsoft have severed ties with him. I find it hard to believe that people are atually defending this guy.

And for the vast majority of people who watched that video probably wouldn't think it was fine, despite you pulling those "90% of 17-25" figures out of your arse.
 
yes because killing and making jokes are the same thing..............

Eh, the point was that what you consider a simple prank / joke might be a completely different experience for the subject of the prank, especially for a person who doesn't know you. This is pretty basic ethics/moral that most adult people on this planet base some of their decisions and actions on every day.
 
I'm aware that people managed to cache a tweet from July that KSI deleted on Friday. Is there anyone on here who knows how this is done? Indirect references he made to my video on Friday have since been deleted too. For obvious reasons, I'd like to see these recovered.

If you can help, please let me know.

Matt
I think the only way to do that would be to have taken screenshots at the time the Tweets were still up. Once they're gone they're gone, at least on our end (as far as I know). Twitter might store them on their backend though.
 
Sorry for the bump.

Can somebody ask EA why this idiot is being invited to the titanfall event on Thursday? I thought they want nothing to do with him. Strange he gets invited to play most EA games early.
 
tevZ44C.jpg


Dan Sheridan is the 'EA UK Marketing dude' KSI thanked in his tweet saying he was going to the Titanfall event. So I don't know what's going on. Maybe it's open to the public.
 
He helps market FIFA Ultimate Team team to his millions of subscribers. Of course EA are going to bend over backward for this piece of work.

He also helps market Ultimate team coins, which EA frown upon.

He should not be anywhere near these events after the stunt he pulled with videogamer.

@KSIOlajidebt: Gonna be going to the Titanfall Event this thursday :). CANT WAIT I FREAKING LOVE THAT GAME!! Thanks @EA_ActionMan

So clearly somebody is lying.
 
Top Bottom